Dreakon13
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The entire team buckling under the slightest physicality.Which is?
The entire team buckling under the slightest physicality.Which is?
The entire team buckling under the slightest physicality.
It was completely sane and predicable. And depressing.
It's not even that we miss ROR as much as the return we got for him never did/will never be able to offset the loss of him.
Unless Tage turns into a 30-40 goal scorer
Exactly.
The reasoning to trade ROR was a mess, but even if the trade was inevitable, the return was a complete mess.
A quitter, Vlad, a B prospect and 2 lottery tickets?
Mostly because, like a Taylor Swift song, we are never, ever, ever getting back together. Not that that'll ever, ever, ever put an end to this discussion.ROR doesn't have to be anyone but ROR. But ROR isn't the answer to this teams problems.
Berglund and Sobotka were simply lesser parts that evened out the cap dollars. But what's left is Thompson, Ryan Johnson, and Colin Miller. If those three don't make a difference in the next three years, the final verdict is in.
Colin Miller is never making a difference
I'm not so attached that he couldn't be in the next deal they make.
ROR in the top 6 next to Skinner and Johannsson? Ugh yeah then we would have a formidable top 6 not one where ROR was forced to center Okposo+(insert scrub here) he would be next to two very talented players that can help him you normally saw him with Okposos who plays in our bottom 6 now along with someone like Wilson who's basically another 4th liner. Leafs don't have toughness or a fight in them but they can still make the playoffs with that type of top 6 we'd certainly have a shot.The biggest hole on this team is the gaping one where their balls used to be. ROR didn't make a difference in that regard when he was here, and he wouldn't be the difference if we still had him now.
If ROR magically appeared on this team tomorrow, I think you guys would be absolutely gutted when you realize they're still soft as warm butter and still lose games in the same soul crushing ways they do now.
The return seems laughable. In exchange for Ryan O’Reilly — a point-per-game player who is once again earning praise for his work ethic — the Sabres’ package included a guy who quit, a forward who can’t score and a first-round pick that might not arrive until 2020.
Yet Buffalo, like St. Louis, can easily argue it won the trade.
The Sabres wanted to win. After going 25-45-12 last year, they’ve started 21-11-5 without O’Reilly. And they’ve unexpectedly gained a huge chunk of cap space with Berglund’s departure. O’Reilly averages $7.5 million per season, while Sobotka and Thompson combine for a $4.425 million hit. That’s a savings of $3.075 million per season that can be spent elsewhere.
As the teams meet for the first time since the deal, both can be happy with their returns.
This is from Dec 26, 2018.
Sabres wanted to win, and that's what they got: Evaluating...
I still don’t have a problem with trading ROR for reasons we’ve discussed before. I thought the return was meh and made us less talented initially. The clear winner in the short run were the Blues. But I hoped the kid (Tage) and the pick (Ryan Johnson’s I think) would take some of the sting away and balance it out a bit in a few years.Vogl continues to carry water for the trade.
I still don’t have a problem with trading ROR for reasons we’ve discussed before. I thought the return was meh and made us less talented initially. The clear winner in the short run were the Blues. But I hoped the kid (Tage) and the pick (Ryan Johnson’s I think) would take some of the sting away and balance it out a bit in a few years.
But I never imagined Berglund would quit hockey entirely like he did. I mean if you had to lay odds on something like that happening, particularly for a player who was universally praised as a great teammate and person, I’d say they wouldn’t rise much above zero. So instead of being the steadying vet influence in the room. He became a distraction Around the time he left was roughly when things started to go sour. We didn’t know it at the time but looking back that seems to be the case.
Berglund quitting obviously made the trade look ever worse. It also had the nasty side effect of elevating Sobotka. I’d like to think we would have added Mojo regardless but I feel he’s a replacement for what Botts was hoping for with Berglund.
Cap implications aside. Having a respected vet that young guys like Sam, Jack and Dahlin liked and respected** quit mid season had to be shocking and not helpful. Not long after that was when the wheels started coming off. Its certainly not THE reason for it but it was a contributing factor. After the circus of the previous two years in that locker room they thought it was settled down and ... surprise.Honestly Berglund quitting was probably the best outcome for the team once that awful return was agreed to.
Imagine 10 million dollars locked into Okposo and Berglund in his thirties for three years.
It was such a bad return. No truly tasty future pick if the plan was stall and rebuild again, no lesser but established young vet if we just wanted a bad egg out and prepared to win.
I assume there was pegula pressure, but if there was ever a time to convince your owner to eat a cash loss and wait for a better return it was then.
Cap implications aside. Having a respected vet that young guys like Sam, Jack and Dahlin liked and respected** quit mid season had to be shocking and not helpful. Not long after that was when the wheels started coming off. Its certainly not THE reason for it but it was a contributing factor. After the circus of the previous two years in that locker room they thought it was settled down and ... surprise.
** I’m pretty sure you’re aware of this but all of those players and others spoke quite highly of Berglund in camp and early in the season.
I still don’t have a problem with trading ROR for reasons we’ve discussed before. I thought the return was meh and made us less talented initially. The clear winner in the short run were the Blues. But I hoped the kid (Tage) and the pick (Ryan Johnson’s I think) would take some of the sting away and balance it out a bit in a few years.
But I never imagined Berglund would quit hockey entirely like he did. I mean if you had to lay odds on something like that happening, particularly for a player who was universally praised as a great teammate and person, I’d say they wouldn’t rise much above zero. So instead of being the steadying vet influence in the room. He became a distraction Around the time he left was roughly when things started to go sour. We didn’t know it at the time but looking back that seems to be the case.
Berglund quitting obviously made the trade look even worse. It also had the nasty side effect of elevating Sobotka. I’d like to think we would have added Mojo regardless but I feel he’s a replacement for what Botts was hoping for with Berglund.
I didn’t for reason that should be fairly obvious.Berglund quitting made the trade better.
Berglund and Sobotka were simply lesser parts that evened out the cap dollars. But what's left is Thompson, Ryan Johnson, and Colin Miller. If those three don't make a difference in the next three years, the final verdict is in.
Two veteran bums with significant cap hits and term were simply lesser parts... I remember a different tune than this at the time of the trade.
The verdict is in, it was a terrible trade. Even if the two young guys become serviceable, which is a big if based on draft position for Johnson and Tage so far, you are still talking about several years of Dahlin, Eichel and Reinhart that were wasted.
It's okay to admit you were wrong, rather than say nonsense like Berglund and Sobotka were just cap considerations in that trade. To think 6 years of salary at 7+ million in cap was a minimal part of the trade.
the funniest part is that people say they were in the trade to even out the cap..? and i'm like yeah? where the f*** is the compensation for taking on 2 crap players with with millions compared to an elite player with millions....Thompson and a 1st that happened to be 32 as if to say f*** you to all the Sabres fans after being at the bottom of the standings midseason.Two veteran bums with significant cap hits and term were simply lesser parts... I remember a different tune than this at the time of the trade.
The verdict is in, it was a terrible trade. Even if the two young guys become serviceable, which is a big if based on draft position for Johnson and Tage so far, you are still talking about several years of Dahlin, Eichel and Reinhart that were wasted.
It's okay to admit you were wrong, rather than say nonsense like Berglund and Sobotka were just cap considerations in that trade. To think 6 years of salary at 7+ million in cap was a minimal part of the trade.
the funniest part is that people say they were in the trade to even out the cap..? and i'm like yeah? where the **** is the compensation for taking on 2 crap players with with millions compared to an elite player with millions....Thompson and a 1st that happened to be 32 as if to say **** you to all the Sabres fans after being at the bottom of the standings midseason.
The talk before the deal was that St. Louis was looking to find a team to take those players on and was willing to part with something to do so. So... yeah. Botts got worked and the team is worse for it.