The ROR Beatification Station and Exclusion Zone (Discussion of ROR trade goes here!)
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I thought he was going to say he’d lost his love for the game as one of the options.
Doug Prishpreed
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No, that's not what he's known as. He's known as the guy who exposed our GM as being one of the worst in the league by fooling Botterill into trading him for pennies to a contender.
RoR looking snazzy in a vital win. That thundercloud of defeatism is clearly going to rip apart the Blues room any moment now.
...maybe now...
.... or now....
....how about now?....
...maybe now...
.... or now....
....how about now?....
debaser66
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7 pts in their last five games when you include the clincher against the Sharks.
What a monumental **** up this trade was.
What a monumental **** up this trade was.
Gabrielor
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It’s the kind of trade that gets someone fired. I don’t know how he’s still here.
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Are you saying the locker room comments were a weird indirect way to get Botterill to trade him? You're not serious about that part, right?
Probably because the guy who petulantly refused to pay ROR another dollar is the one who'd make the decision on whether to keep the GM.
I'd like to know what made this trade happen and why the trigger was pulled on O'Reilly. Any investigative reporter from the Pegula-bought Buffalo media brave enough to break ranks? Why wasn't there a clause, as some teams have, that if St. Louis wins a cup and O'Reilly is MVP, that Buffalo should get even more. The trade, which included salary dumps and 3rd and 4th choice rookies seemed forced somehow and I'd like to know if it was forced by ownership. Of course that'll never happen but there should be reckoning for this monumental error.
Doug Prishpreed
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The frustrating part is that everyone knew it was a monumental error even before the trade was made, when rumors were swirling.
sabremike
I didn't even know he was sick!
It's unreal. I mean does this team actually have scouts who watch guys they are thinking of acquiring to see if they are any good? They literally could've watched ANY Blues game from the prior season and seen that only a crazy person would trade a player of ROR's quality for them. This organization is a complete joke.
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Doug Prishpreed
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Starting to think that’s the case. I don’t know if that’s better or worse: Is our owner overriding the GMs decisions or does the GM just make bad decisions? Both are pretty depressing.
Zman5778
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I'd be looking at the work of the pro scouting staff. Graham Beamish has been part of that side of the operation since Regier, for a time as the "scouting coordinator", but what is his input? VanBoxmeer has been on staff forever, but he lives and works out west almost exclusively. Crowe is new, having come out of the NTDP staff. Those are the three guys I know who are part of the "pro" side of the shop specifically and I question their input and effectiveness.
Zman5778
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I think this is honestly a case of both being bad. Pegula possibly ordering JB to trade ROR and then JB not standing up to Pegula.
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I still remember being relieved he wasn't traded at the draft thinking that would end it. Little did I know...
sabremike
I didn't even know he was sick!
How could people fail so spectacularly for a decade and keep their job? This organization is like the movie Ted where the title character keeps trying to get fired only to keep getting promoted.
I was not shocked to find only a few guys are still in their positions from the end of the Murray era. It makes me shake my head slowly ever time I hear about Botterill "killing" the 2017 draft since the guys who wrote that draft book are almost universally gone.
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From a pro-talent side, what have they done in the last two full seasons that points to a player who has contributed above expectation? There have been a raft of them who haven't performed to expectation, and stats bear out are below replacement level. Who have these guys found who have helped rather than hurt? I'm struggling to find a positive find.
OkimLom
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Which IMO is a problem onto itself that is bigger than anything Botts has or hasn't done.
So if the press covering the team actually have something tangible that they could report on the why's and wherefores of all of this, why haven't they rolled it out? Why the delay if there is an actual, substantial, reportable reason for the deal?
In the era of hits and traffic, one would think someone would have tried to scoop this if there is a good reason for it. But carrying water (love that phrase, thanks J for reminding me of the utility of it) for a f***ing terrible trade by a couple of them just smacks of people afraid of losing some favor with their team access.
In the era of hits and traffic, one would think someone would have tried to scoop this if there is a good reason for it. But carrying water (love that phrase, thanks J for reminding me of the utility of it) for a f***ing terrible trade by a couple of them just smacks of people afraid of losing some favor with their team access.
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Pilut is the only find I believe, but I'm assuming even though he was a "pro", that the amateur scouting found him.
EichHart
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Last night was one of the best games I've seen ROR play. He missed a goal on a penalty kill where he man handled 2 guys and almost deflected it in on a second effort. The dude was on a mission last night. He was incredible. I can't believe we had him locked in at 7.5 per.
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