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The reason behind Kakko's inefficiency? His short stick
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DJ Gismo
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It has now been about 2 months since I made this thread.
And since, Kakko has mostly been playing with excellent line/teammates, like:
-the reigning Vezina winner
-a recent Norris winner
-a Hart Trophy finalist
-a 50-goal-scorer (from last season)
-a franchise center who has 326 points in his last 322 games, and who is 1.00 ppg this season
And what does he have to show for it? Great improvements? No, instead he has:
-31-point-pace for the career
-35-point-pace for this season
-34-point-pace for the last 33 games
-23-point-pace for last 7 games
-18-point-pace in 22 games in the playoffs
(The pace is for 82 games, for example this season he is pacing for 35 points in 82 games)
When are the lame excuses are gonna stop? When will they acknowledge the fact that he is barely a 3rd-liner, and that some young player should already take his spot?
He has 200+ games in the regular season, he turns 22 in a few days, and he has 22 games in the playoffs. He has shown absolutely zero improvement, and the same exact problems continue that have plagued him for his whole career.
How many other 30-point-players get this many games in the first line, before the coach admits the truth and drops him to the bottom lines?
If I were a young, promising player with some actual potential in the Rangers organization, I would be royally pissed right about now. They just keep on hanging to some 2nd overall pick, giving him ice-time & great opportunities year after year, even though he has clearly shown he is not worth it.
Where is the accountability in the Rangers organization? Shouldn't the players EARN their ice-time, and top-line-spots? What kind of a signal this sends to the AHL players:
-no matter how bad results you produce, you can keep your first-line-spot, if you just happened to be a 2nd OA pick
-no matter how hard you play, you won't get the same treatment coming up from the minors
And since, Kakko has mostly been playing with excellent line/teammates, like:
-the reigning Vezina winner
-a recent Norris winner
-a Hart Trophy finalist
-a 50-goal-scorer (from last season)
-a franchise center who has 326 points in his last 322 games, and who is 1.00 ppg this season
And what does he have to show for it? Great improvements? No, instead he has:
-31-point-pace for the career
-35-point-pace for this season
-34-point-pace for the last 33 games
-23-point-pace for last 7 games
-18-point-pace in 22 games in the playoffs
(The pace is for 82 games, for example this season he is pacing for 35 points in 82 games)
When are the lame excuses are gonna stop? When will they acknowledge the fact that he is barely a 3rd-liner, and that some young player should already take his spot?
He has 200+ games in the regular season, he turns 22 in a few days, and he has 22 games in the playoffs. He has shown absolutely zero improvement, and the same exact problems continue that have plagued him for his whole career.
How many other 30-point-players get this many games in the first line, before the coach admits the truth and drops him to the bottom lines?
If I were a young, promising player with some actual potential in the Rangers organization, I would be royally pissed right about now. They just keep on hanging to some 2nd overall pick, giving him ice-time & great opportunities year after year, even though he has clearly shown he is not worth it.
Where is the accountability in the Rangers organization? Shouldn't the players EARN their ice-time, and top-line-spots? What kind of a signal this sends to the AHL players:
-no matter how bad results you produce, you can keep your first-line-spot, if you just happened to be a 2nd OA pick
-no matter how hard you play, you won't get the same treatment coming up from the minors
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DJ Gismo
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Yes, the same problem continues.
Same short stick since juniors. Will not change it, no matter who tries to reason with him.
And the problems in the "actual results" are the same, season after season, and also in the recent games: when Kakko is on the ice, the "fancy stats" look OK, but the actual goals & finishing do not.
He is basically poison to the Rangers on-ice shot%, when he is on the ice. His passes are too easy to read, and so are his muffin-shots, all due to his short stick.
DJ Gismo
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Hmmm, you go for the last 33 games and then the last 7 games, I guess to ignore the fact that in his last 19 games, he's got 12 points (despite only having 2 in his last 7)?
That's a 52 point pace, not too bad with limited PP time. He had a slow start to the season but I expect him to continue to improve.
He has more 5v5 points than his linemate Kreider, and more 5v5 goals than his center Zibanejad. He's been an important player on that line..
5v5 scoring:
Zibajenad 6 goals 18 points
Kakko 7 goals 15 points
Kreider 9 goals 14 points
But yeah tell me more about how he doesn't belong on that line...
He has a higher 5v5 on ice sh% than Zibanejad...
It's not usually like that. It's just cold at ice level.
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Also that line is really, really, really good. They've been snakebit all year.
Of course the Rangers lose one game (to the f***ing Bruins, no less, like, the Bruins won again more at f***ing 11) and they default back to the career 41% xGF Kid Line.
Poor Kakko and Chytil having to play with Lafreniere.
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Jauffre
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He also uses Gaudreau level flex, like 60-70. He may have increased it recently but that thing looked like a pool noddle just from stick-handling in his first season or two.
I've noticed Panarin uses a longer stick than his Chicago/early Columbus days, to the point where he looks like Zuccarello out there at times.
Improper stick length really can affect the way you play - can create all kinds of tendencies/habits that can hinder performance.
Pretty sure Patrick Kane uses a short stick, maybe as short as Kakko's is (seemingly). You can tell his wrist shot suffers a bit from it, but he's learned to get around it and he still had a pretty good shot. But it's definitely good for stick handling. He does use a stiff flex though, that thing barely moves.
I've noticed Panarin uses a longer stick than his Chicago/early Columbus days, to the point where he looks like Zuccarello out there at times.
Improper stick length really can affect the way you play - can create all kinds of tendencies/habits that can hinder performance.
Pretty sure Patrick Kane uses a short stick, maybe as short as Kakko's is (seemingly). You can tell his wrist shot suffers a bit from it, but he's learned to get around it and he still had a pretty good shot. But it's definitely good for stick handling. He does use a stiff flex though, that thing barely moves.
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quietbruinfan
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Think you are overthinking this. It's not the stick, it's the lack of speed, especially acceleration and lateral movement. I will admit a longer stick would play to his reach more.
Never would have thought when I watched their FEL team that Juuso Pärssinen would be the one who turns out to be better but here we are.
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ninetyeight
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Any insight why he was able to be so effective in the international tournaments, but hasn't had the same impact at NHL level? Is it the speed, the size of the rink, level of competition, perhaps all of it? Would he still dominate the IIHF World Champions, or was that 6 goals in 10 games 2019 WC and junior tournament success mostly luck?
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2018-2019 season:
Kakko 38 points in 45 games for TPS men's team
Pärssinen 22 points in 36 games for TPS junior team
2022-2023 season:
Kakko 20 points in 46 games in NHL
Pärssinen 19 points in 32 games in NHL
I wonder how long Pärssinen's stick is?
scoopscj
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I watch a fair bit of Ranger games, even though I root against them. Kakko passes the eye test. He is good on the boards, has good vision and goes to the dirty areas. He's just not finishing. No idea if this short stick thing is legit, but he's not a bust by any means. As a #2 overall pick, his production at this point of his tenure is a little disappointing, he still has a lot of time to grow.
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