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The Rangers lack of depth

I was almost praying for Nash to score in the third period. I knew if he didn't, it was game over. He didn't, game was over. We're a one trick pony.
 
How's Hrivik doing? They were thinking about giving him a camp invite before he got injured. There's also Zucc and Kreider. All of them are LW. If Torts is still keen on keeping all of Gaborik, Nash, and Callahan on the right side, it would be a good thing to get one of the above mentioned players on the roster.

If that happens the forward depth looks a lot better:

Hagelin-Richards-Nash
Kreider/Zucc-Stepan-Gaborik
Pyatt/Hrivik-Miller-Callahan
Pyatt/Hrivik-Halpern/Boyle-Powe
Haley
 
3rdlineglory said:
How's Hrivik doing? They were thinking about giving him a camp invite before he got injured.
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I thought originally it would be a brief injury, but he's been iced for two months now, so it must've been pretty serious.
 
Beacon said:
Dubinsky is available. What would you guys give up for him? Would you give up Nieves+Lindberg for him? Thomas+Yogan? Fast+Fogarty?
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I'd consider it, quite honestly.

Not to mention that basically makes this past summer Nieves, Lindberg, Anisimov, Erixon and a 1st for Rick Nash.
 
The Rangers depth this season is in the KHL (Zuc) and SEL (Fasth and Lindberg). All three can be here but not for a few weeks unless Sather signs Zuc tomorrow.

The bottom 6 is bad this year; one guy who forgot how to handle a puck/do anything in Boyle, a good but streaky player in Pyatt, a 19-year-old rookie in Miller who is doing fine but learning, a faceoff/PK specialist who has no offense left in Halpern, an energy guy in Powe, and an injured Asham.

Doesn't help that Hrivik has unfortunately been hurt, Kreider is still adjusting to the game in the AHL, and Thomas/Yogan/Jean are all first year players learning the ropes.

They need a little more creativity/skill in that bottom 6.

My crazy/will never happen ideas;
-Call up Kreider
-Get Handzus for a pick
-Dubi isn't coming back but see if CLB would take Asham and Boyle for him (cap move)
-Sign MZA ASAP
-If Fasth/Lindberg can come over and add something this year; all the better
-To make more cap room send Bickel down and if Staal is able to come back, then send Gilroy down

DO NOT in any way, shape, or form trade Nieves...but that's never going to happen for a rental. Rangers love him.
 
Callagraves said:
I'd consider it, quite honestly.

Not to mention that basically makes this past summer Nieves, Lindberg, Anisimov, Erixon and a 1st for Rick Nash.
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Wouldn't you rather give up only one prospect, not two? Or a 7th? I would think those pairings of prospects are a bit too much, but you'd know better than me for sure, knowing your own prospects AND having the prior familiarity with Duby
 
Beacon said:
Dubinsky is available. What would you guys give up for him? Would you give up Nieves+Lindberg for him? Thomas+Yogan? Fast+Fogarty?
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We don't need Dubinsky and his bad contract back. You build depth by raising it up through your farm system, not by emptying the cupboard.
 
The lack of production out of the Bottom 6 is pretty alarming.

They're going to have to make a move for another forward if they want to make any noise in the playoffs.
 
jBuds said:
Wouldn't you rather give up only one prospect, not two? Or a 7th? I would think those pairings of prospects are a bit too much, but you'd know better than me for sure, knowing your own prospects AND having the prior familiarity with Duby
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Considering what Dubinsky is to the Jackets, and that none of those prospects have proven that they can do anything at the NHL level, I can't see the Jackets taking anything less.

Heck, I can't even see them taking most of these parings.

If they agree to eat 1 mil of his Salary, I do it in a heartbeat
 
Really, a Dubinsky type player is needed pretty badly. Great forechecking, damn solid defensively, hits like a truck, stands up for his teammates (without fail. If you did ANYTHING to a Rangers player and Dubi was on the ice, he was coming over to you). Is good for 20+ goals, 2nd/3rd line tweener.

He was a big part of this teams guts. If we can't get him back, and I expect we can't, we need something similar.
 
Zenith said:
Everyone has been 'looking' for the source of the problem to this rocky start of a season.

One of the main problems thus far is the utter lack of scoring prowess from the bottom 6.

Pyatt: 4 goals, 1 goal in the last 21
Boyle: 1 goal
Halpern: 0 goals
Powe: 0 goals
Haley/Asham/Bickel/Mashinter: 1 goal combined
Miller: 2 goals, coming in 1 game.

This team won't be going anywhere relying on 6 players (Hagelin, Callahan, Richards, Nash, Stepan, Gaborik). The names are good ones, but the Rangers MUST get some semblance of offensive contribution from their bottom 6.
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all the names listed above in bold and all 4th liners. Nothing more. Miller is to young to be considered anything to be perfectly honest.

We have a 1st line, a 2nd line and 2 very offensively challenged 4th lines.
 
Callagraves said:
Really, a Dubinsky type player is needed pretty badly. Great forechecking, damn solid defensively, hits like a truck, stands up for his teammates (without fail. If you did ANYTHING to a Rangers player and Dubi was on the ice, he was coming over to you). Is good for 20+ goals, 2nd/3rd line tweener.

He was a big part of this teams guts. If we can't get him back, and I expect we can't, we need something similar.
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Doesn't Dubinsky have 1 goal this year? That's 25% of Pyatts goal total...
 
sign zucc and call up kreider

hags-step-nash
zucc-richie-gabs
kreider-jtm-cally
pyatt-halpern-powe

too bad torts would never allow this to happen
 
Get a rental and sign zuccarello. No one will be hard on miller if he spends more time in the ahl
 
Barnaby said:
Doesn't Dubinsky have 1 goal this year? That's 25% of Pyatts goal total...
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He's had 1 goal, 7 assists in 16 games. He's been injured since early/mid February. Obviously, that's lopsided and more than likely to even out, but that's still a 40 pt pace, though being a very small sample size.

That's 2 more points in 9 fewer games.
Factor in that 3 of those goal were all scored in the first 4 games of the season, and Pyatt has 1 goal and 2 assists over his past 19 games.

Not the best comparison.
 
Zenith said:
Everyone has been 'looking' for the source of the problem to this rocky start of a season.

One of the main problems thus far is the utter lack of scoring prowess from the bottom 6.

Pyatt: 4 goals, 1 goal in the last 21
Boyle: 1 goal
Halpern: 0 goals
Powe: 0 goals
Haley/Asham/Bickel/Mashinter: 1 goal combined
Miller: 2 goals, coming in 1 game.

This team won't be going anywhere relying on 6 players (Hagelin, Callahan, Richards, Nash, Stepan, Gaborik). The names are good ones, but the Rangers MUST get some semblance of offensive contribution from their bottom 6.
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I absolutely agree, they have 2 fourth lines and it shows. Even on defense, you can't burn out guys like Torts does.
 
Lack of depth? The 2011-12 Rangers didn't get much offense out of their bottom six. Boyle had 11 goals last season. He has 1 so far. That's not lack of depth. Boyle needs to play better. Rupp had 4 goals in 60 games. Prust had 5 goals in 82 games. Mitchell had 5 goals in 63 games. Anisimov scored the majority of his points playing left wing with Stepan and Gaborik in the fall of 2011. Dubinsky had 10 goals 77 games playing all over the place because he was struggling with everyone. Fedotenko had 9 goals in 73 games. I saw a stat on Fedotenko last week. He went 4 or 5 games in a row without a shot on goal for Philly. Prust was a 4th liner last season.

The Rangers need their top players to play better. The guys who make all of the money. Richards and Gaborik. All of the top teams have their best players playing like their best players. Not the case for the Rangers. Look at Chicago.

Depth is built with young players developing. Look at Chicago. Shaw,Kruger and Leddy. Its not built with 3rd and 4th liners on long term contracts acquired in trades. Its not built with dropping close to $2M per on role players in free agency like Burish,Tootoo and Torrey Mitchell. Or $2.5M on Prust.
 
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