broadwayblue
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It's ok to be optimistic. But I'm also realistic. Vegas has us at +8000 to win the cup this season. That's the 6th worst odds in the league. I expect they are right and we finish far outside of the playoffs.
The Rangers aversion to the basement
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LORDE
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I'm w @broadwayblue on this... I believe you will not see that this season... I believe they will "compete" nightly but also lose a lot more than they win.
RangerBlues
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free0717
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We are probably gonna suck. I hope we dont sign Leo Komorov. I know Dolan always is willing to spend money to make the team as good as possible. He has to justify it to the high priced corporate ticket holders. Personally, I would trade Hayes for Assets. Put in Anderson and Chytil as my 2nd and 3rd line centers. Lets see how the superstar coach that was hired accelerates development.
He also has to justify it for lthe schmuck season ticket holders like me. But the salary cap is what justifies it for Dolan. This isn't Derek Jeter who buys a team then has to sell his best players to make payroll. Dolan can pay to hit the cap and still make Bank without screwing the retool as long as he avoids long term deals (except JT - almost certainly not happening though)
It is. Edm, buff, columb, islanders, etc have been bottoming out for what feels like forever with no cups to show for their bottoming out periods. The nyr meanwhile made multiple ecf appearances and a scf appearance while making numerous enormous draft and free agent blunders, losing a potential all star to death, another top 4 D to career ending freak concussion.
Feel preeetty good about what the nyr did without bottoming out. Sometimes luck plays a role in things. What did the nyr lead all but like 2 mins in several scf games? Didnt we all watch AV choke the series away game by game? Blaming the no tank boogieman just doesn't reflect what actually happened
HFsNumber1Heel
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This team has a chance to be decent. I'm not being hopeless optimistic and I'm not expecting it, but look at the 2010-11 squad as a model. If they have like 4-5 guys who can hit 50-55 points, get good goaltending, play a reasonable D system, and get some rookies do what McD did from Jan of that year, you never know. That squad was very positive and just worked every game. I think this team has more talent than that squad did.
Kreider, cherepanov, miller, skjei, staal, korpikoski, mcilrath, sanguinetti, del zotto.
I see 2 busts there. Sanguinetti...the guy who was picked where the consensus says. Except the no name right after him was an all star.
Mcilrath, a smarter than the room pick that we all always knew was abysmal
Jury is still out but last years firsts seem pretty damn on the nose and kravt was picked right about where many pegged him
If u want to go back to jessiman, didnt he go pretty close to where he was projected and didnt he incur freak injuries?
Wasn't montoya also projected to go around where he did? Looked at like carey price at one point.
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Synergy27
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Luck plays a role in things all the time, not just sometimes. You need to put yourself into a position to capitalize on luck, and in my opinion, in this league, that starts with anchoring your team with elite talent. You get elite talent at the top of drafts, which requires bottoming out.
And it's been discussed as nauseam on this board. Comparing the NYR to those teams you listed is pointless. All of those teams struggle to lure FAs and they're at the top of player's no trade lists. Those teams can't get over the hump because they can't lure the required support players. They are all essentially the inverse Rangers.
You cant bring up the tank boogieman which has also been brought up ad nauseam and then claim we can igmore all that's relevant to disproving the notion. We saw it for half a decade. The "cant win without tanking" theory is simply wrong. It's a good method for building a cup team. Id say Its likely the best. Its just not the only method
Synergy27
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I'm not arguing that it's the only way. It's certainly the best, and you seem to agree. How do we differ here?
broadwayblue
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I don't think anyone is arguing against the fact a great way to win a cup is to have a core built around high draft picks, particularly top 3 selections. Look at Pitt, Chi, LA. Certainly it's not the only way...but it definitely helps to have elite talent. I think we'd all be thrilled to be able to build around a top 3 pick.
Look at what's being very heavily insinuated in your first post and then look at what you said in the next "It's a requirement". You didn't leave any room for anything other than the thought that a team has to get a top pick in the draft. If you don't feel that it's the only way but is very likely the best possibly way, then I agree. It's just your posts were indicating differently.
TheBloodyNine
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PlamsUnlimited
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I just dont think doing the Buffalo is the best way... we still need a competitive roster. Not in the sense of win games but they need to know how to play hockey
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We won 34 last season and we will be a worse team. I'm not sure how much worse b/c I see the following teams also being lousy: AZ, VAN, NYI, OTT, BUFF, MON.
Edge
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I think Buffalo is going to climb a bit this season. The Habs might be marginally better with a healthy Carey Price.
But other teams figure to be awful.
I think Hank, at this point, doesn't steal nearly as many games as we think he will. I'll also go on record as saying that I have my doubts that he doesn't have a meltdown because of this defense at some point.
I think we'll finish in the bottom 10. Getting into the bottom 5 might prove difficult.
But other teams figure to be awful.
I think Hank, at this point, doesn't steal nearly as many games as we think he will. I'll also go on record as saying that I have my doubts that he doesn't have a meltdown because of this defense at some point.
I think we'll finish in the bottom 10. Getting into the bottom 5 might prove difficult.
OrlandK
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As of today we figure to be the worst team in the East. Every team who didn't make the playoffs but the Rangers has improved via new player acquisitions. Of course the season never plays out as it seems it likely will, but the reality is we probably will stink this season.
And JG is committed to the rebuild - the reason we didn't sign anyone good yesterday is he won't commit to more than 2 years for an older player. I agree with the strategy but I am trying to be realistic also. We have no players who are close to All-Star level - not one. And when we say the forward lines have a lot of talent that includes the very young guys who likely will not be that good next season and need a few years to develop. Our defense could be the worst in the league - even the crappy Islander D core is probably a tad better than ours on paper. And the King - who at this point is probably league average for starting goalies - will really have his emotional and mental state tested playing for a non-contender at this point in his career when his prime goal is to contend for the Cup.
Again, I agree with the strategy but it could be a tough watch this season.
And JG is committed to the rebuild - the reason we didn't sign anyone good yesterday is he won't commit to more than 2 years for an older player. I agree with the strategy but I am trying to be realistic also. We have no players who are close to All-Star level - not one. And when we say the forward lines have a lot of talent that includes the very young guys who likely will not be that good next season and need a few years to develop. Our defense could be the worst in the league - even the crappy Islander D core is probably a tad better than ours on paper. And the King - who at this point is probably league average for starting goalies - will really have his emotional and mental state tested playing for a non-contender at this point in his career when his prime goal is to contend for the Cup.
Again, I agree with the strategy but it could be a tough watch this season.
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Are we sure we are worse?
We are short Grabner, Nash, Miller and McDonagh, but we return Shattenkirk, we may add Chytil and Andersson for part or all of the season, we possibly return a rejuvenated (slightly) Brendan Smith. We get possible improvement from ADA and Pionk.
And everyone thought that AV lost the team, so if Quinn comes in and gets them playing hard.... I mean, if Buch, Vesey, Zibanejad, Hayes and Shattenkirk all have banner production years, they could easily be better than last year.
And I say that as a bad thing because I actually do want this team to tank. But it may be too talented.
Larrybiv
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Averting it? I believe that is counter productive to what the Rangers are attempting to do here. I believe that just one more "bad season" and some more upcoming "top picks" will be the icing on the cake. We are going to need a "wave" of these kids making the big club in the next 3 years. That can only happen by doubling up, if you know what i mean. Believe it or not.....i wouldn't trade Hayes, you need some stability and i think we haven't seen the best of him yet. Big centers like him, don't grow on trees.
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Which is why if we could turn Hayes into valuable futures, it'd be great. Give us a bigger gap right down the middle and help us get into the top 5.
Does anyone know the updated draft odds for next year? Wasn't the lottery getting an overhaul?
Ghost of jas
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The only team that I can see being worse is Ottawa. They are a complete dumpster fire.
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Those are pretty much my thoughts too, if they happen to grab or develop a RD who can do relatively well with top 4 minutes I think the roster in comparison with several teams in the East is not that bad.
I was hoping they'd be able to trade some NHL regulars for more picks/prospects, but I'm more feeling they are going to re-sign all their RFAs, maybe add a UFA somewhere, keep who they have and just kind of roll with it until the deadline as that is when picks/prospects are made available more so than at the draft or before the season. The danger there in my mind, if they are in or near playoff position themselves will they still sell?
