The pulling the goalie in OT rule

[snag]

So a game is worth 2 points and then becomes worth 3 and then becomes worth 2 again.

Since the willy nilly the total point value of a game anyway, they should keep it as 3 points... Just the winner gets them all regardless who that may be. Make it a bit more interesting

 

[Lolonegoal]

People are just surprised they didn't know the rule. Read the rule book.

This rule exists to prevent even more unhinged OT play than we already see.

Unhinged OT > Shootout

 

[canadianmagpie]

Yes.


I also agree that you should lose the point you obtained if all you do is circle back and regroup constantly making the overtime boring as f***.

Take away the point you get for a shootout loss. Then teams are more incentivized to score in OT as the shootout is a gamble.

 

[Divine]

As I said in the previous thread, I think the rule needs to be amended.

If any team pulls a goalie and the game ends as a result, neither team will get a loser point.

Raise the stakes.

 

[Al Lagoon]

No guts no glory.

The thread about the Wild goal had lots of good reasons why it's a good rule.

I do like the idea that the loser of such an event loses their OT point. Squares it up.

 

[tarheelhockey]

It came out when they talked of going 4x4 skater rules because there was concern around the more offense first teams having a big advantage that they could win the open draw , pull g, then score.

Also as t the time there was concern of intentional penalties to create 4x4 which is why the rule change thsy made offsetting penalties still be 5x5.

Even more so when they went to 3x3 as nd concern on advantages with some teams.


It goes back to when they started 4x4 OT and how they change the rule on simultaneous minors not going to 4x4 and staying at 5x5.

From what I've gleamed together: the AHL put in place 4-on-4 OT in 1998 along with having the OTL [which it had off and on for several years prior] and the NHL studied it for a year. One of the things the league observed was that a few coaches would pull the goalie in OT to create a 5-on-4 advantage, knowing they had the single point locked up and 5-on-4 gave them a risk-free opportunity for victory. They also knew that if the opposition fired at the empty net from its side of the blue line and missed, it was icing and the attacking team could then press the 5-on-4 advantage even more. Since this could be exploited whenever a team gained control of the puck in OT and the extra man made it more likely to "hem in" the opposition, wear it down and lead to a win, the league wanted to discourage the "risk-free" aspect of it.

Sort of. The rule wasn’t exactly a reaction to the purported “advantage” of pulling the goalie. It was a reaction to a coach actually doing this in the AHL, and his team losing the game on an ENG. It was a patently stupid outcome, especially for people who bought tickets and watched 3 hours of hockey just to see the game end in that fashion. What had been a hard fought game at the climax of the season ended with a wet thud.

I’ve seen people suggest that it would be exciting to see a game end that way — trust me, it was not. It had all the excitement of seeing a pitcher balk 3 times in a row to end the game. One time as a novelty, it’s a good story. If it happens on a regular basis, you have a structural problem that undermines the entertainment and purpose of the game. The AHL identified that issue in a hurry and gave coaches reason to only consider it as an absolute last resort.

 

[GreenHornet]

The rule was instituted in 1999, 85% of people didn't know it existed until yesterday, and yesterday's game was the 3rd time it's been attempted and 1st time since 2003.

This is partially the answer I was looking for. Is it safe to assume that none of those three times involved a team losing a point because of it? I'd think that would've been pretty big news.

 

[vorky]

CSKA Moscow/Sergey Fedorov move

 

[devo09]

Without the rule then whoever has the puck with 2 minutes left in OT will just pull their goalie.

 

[geebster]

It's happened before but usually at the end of the season where a team needs both points and 1 point is meaningless to them. Never seen it used the way Minny did.

That said it's a good rule. Pulling a goalie in OT is a massive advantage.

 

[Machinehead]

It seems a bit pointless.

It's trying to deter something that nobody would ever want to do.

 

[devo09]

It seems a bit pointless.

It's trying to deter something that nobody would ever want to do.

Sure they would, it’s so hard for a team to regain possession if they lose it while it’s 3 vs 3. So if there isn’t any deterrent to pulling their goalie then for a team to end the overtime with a 4 on 3 powerplay is a huge advantage. Especially if they don’t have good shootout shooters.

 

[jniklast]

The rule absolutely made sense with ties, as there was no real downside pulling the goalie near the end of OT in that case: You get 1 point no matter if you lose or tie the game. Now with the shootout it's a bit different. Maybe again try it in the AHL to remove the rule and see what happens.

 

[Hoek]

No guts no glory.

The thread about the Wild goal had lots of good reasons why it's a good rule.

I do like the idea that the loser of such an event loses their OT point. Squares it up.

How is that fair? Because the other team takes a risky decision you have no input on you get punished for it?

 

[vipera1960]

Sure they would, it’s so hard for a team to regain possession if they lose it while it’s 3 vs 3. So if there isn’t any deterrent to pulling their goalie then for a team to end the overtime with a 4 on 3 powerplay is a huge advantage. Especially if they don’t have good shootout shooters.

This is it. There’s a ton of people complaining that 3v3 is all about puck possession and teams taking the puck back out of the zone. They don’t realize (because they didn’t watch the 30-45 seconds before the twitter video) that this is exactly what happened, and THEN the goalie was pulled. Allowing teams to do this without serious consequences is going to make 3v3 ot less exciting, not more.

 

[byrath]

The rules says that if you pull the goalie in OT and lose, you lose the point you already earned. Do you agree with the rule? Why or why not?

Agree. Rather not see a 4-on-3 become normal for the last 1-2 minutes of OT.

 

[TooManyHumans]

Just get rid of regular season overtime and the loser point. Bring back ties. They were fine.

Sort of. The rule wasn’t exactly a reaction to the purported “advantage” of pulling the goalie. It was a reaction to a coach actually doing this in the AHL, and his team losing the game on an ENG. It was a patently stupid outcome, especially for people who bought tickets and watched 3 hours of hockey just to see the game end in that fashion. What had been a hard fought game at the climax of the season ended with a wet thud.

I’ve seen people suggest that it would be exciting to see a game end that way — trust me, it was not. It had all the excitement of seeing a pitcher balk 3 times in a row to end the game. One time as a novelty, it’s a good story. If it happens on a regular basis, you have a structural problem that undermines the entertainment and purpose of the game. The AHL identified that issue in a hurry and gave coaches reason to only consider it as an absolute last resort.

It's not fun seeing games end in shootouts, imo. I don't even bother watching them anymore.

 

[THE JAM]

OT should be played 4 skaters vs 4 skaters, without goalies on the ice - pulling the goalie problem instantly solved!

 

[drede]

The rules says that if you pull the goalie in OT and lose, you lose the point you already earned. Do you agree with the rule? Why or why not?

They should have it so if u win with goalie pulled other team losses there earned point if there gonna have if that way would make for some crazy ots when teams are battling for playoff spot

 

[Ted Hoffman]

They should have it so if u win with goalie pulled other team losses there earned point if there gonna have if that way would make for some crazy ots when teams are battling for playoff spot

"If you're not smart enough and/or quick enough to pull your goalie before the other team and use that to your advantage to win a game" is not an idea you're going to sell teams on.

 

[TGWL]

I'm going to make overtime t-shirts for sale. It will be a flow chart .

Did my team win
No Yes
keep regulation point Get rid of it.

Agree with "insert rule"
Did my team win?
No Yes

 

[vipera1960]

They should have it so if u win with goalie pulled other team losses there earned point if there gonna have if that way would make for some crazy ots when teams are battling for playoff spot

You obviously know nothing about NHL coaches. They HATE chaos. Let me tell you exactly what will happen. They will do exactly what they are doing now, all the back passes and possession b/s, except instead of taking a good opportunity when it appears, they will look to trap a team with 2 non-pk forwards, change one player at a time, and then pull the goalie. Congratulations, you just wasted 1/5th of ot with utterly unwatchable nonsense.

 

[bone]

The rules says that if you pull the goalie in OT and lose, you lose the point you already earned. Do you agree with the rule? Why or why not?

It's a carry over from the days when they still had ties. 1999-2004 they played 4 on 4 OTs where the loser would still get a point, but if the full 5 minutes were played, it stayed as a tie with both teams getting one.

The logic then was to discourage teams from giving the other team a gimme point.

Now that we have a result regardless, I don't see it as important. Someone's getting the extra point, doesn't matter how they get it to opposing fans so it could be removed. The bigger issue to me is still that OT games count for more in the standings than others.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

The rule was instituted in 1999, 85% of people didn't know it existed until yesterday, and yesterday's game was the 3rd time it's been attempted and 1st time since 2003. Meanwhile we still don't know what goalie interference is. League has bigger fish to fry than this.

are you sure about this? I knew about the rule within the last couple years and I'm pretty sure it was because another team tried it (but maybe didn't score or get scored on). Not 100% sure though but not sure why else I would know about the rule

 

[drede]

You obviously know nothing about NHL coaches. They HATE chaos. Let me tell you exactly what will happen. They will do exactly what they are doing now, all the back passes and possession b/s, except instead of taking a good opportunity when it appears, they will look to trap a team with 2 non-pk forwards, change one player at a time, and then pull the goalie. Congratulations, you just wasted 1/5th of ot with utterly unwatchable nonsense.

They need to get rid of these 3on3 and shootout crap and just do regular overtime till someone wins just like playoffs its dumb as hell