Post-Game Talk: The Price is Wrong

[Frk It]

Wow,thank you man. It is true,I just checked the standings they finished 13 with only 82 points. Wow.
Anyhow, I do not get the point, I believe this is the 3rd season they play playoff hockey in November. They can't sustain this. They will be collapsing by January.

Well last year they collapsed because Price was injured for the season. If he stays healthy I doubt they collapse like that. Although I do expect his numbers to regress a bit at some point here.

 

[SimplySolace]

Not sure if it's been mentioned, but Mantha led all F's in TOI last night with 18:58 mins. Showcase? Reward? Seeing what he brings in a lost game?

 

[silkyjohnson50]

Yeah right. "No chance". He got pretty much the exact same roster that Babcock had the last year and made almost every single player perform worse indvidually and the team almost 10 points worse.

I'd argue that Datsyuk, Zetterberg, and Kronwall declining had a bigger impact than anything last season. When your core players drop, so do the linemates that they realistically carry.

The roster has been declining and is at an all time low for many Red Wings who are under 30.

 

[Pavels Dog]

I'd argue that Datsyuk, Zetterberg, and Kronwall declining had a bigger impact than anything last season. When your core players drop, so do the linemates that they realistically carry.

The roster has been declining and is at an all time low for many Red Wings who are under 30.

Of course that plays into it, but what a coincidence that 3 veterans take a step back at the EXACT SAME TIME that Blashill takes over. That Nyquist/Tatar/Sheahan suddenly look much worse than they did several seasons in a row before Blashill took over, even when they're playing in the same kind of 3rd line roles.

Part of Z's decline is he is playing too much. Babcock knew what was happening, so he limited Z's minutes.

 

[jkutswings]

And a major part of it is that the roster was declining all along, with major flaws, but the former coach did a very good job of implementing a style of play that helped mask those flaws.

It was boring as all getout to watch, and the roster was still past the window of winning anything meaningful, but it minimized getting dreadfully exposed on a regular basis.

So now the mirage has been removed, while simultaneously the talent has eroded even further, and the Emperor's New Clothes has reached its embarrassing yet inevitable ending.

'Dis team just ain't no good.

I mean, there are still moderately bright spots here and there, but overall, the impending slide has started gaining momentum.

 

[Pavels Dog]

And a major part of it is that the roster was declining all along, with major flaws, but the former coach did a very good job of implementing a style of play that helped mask those flaws.

It was boring as all getout to watch, and the roster was still past the window of winning anything meaningful, but it minimized getting dreadfully exposed on a regular basis.

So now the mirage has been removed, while simultaneously the talent has eroded even further, and the Emperor's New Clothes has reached its embarrassing yet inevitable ending.

'Dis team just ain't no good.

I mean, there are still moderately bright spots here and there, but overall, the impending slide has started gaining momentum.

I never thought the team was all that boring. Blashill hockey has been much more boring than Babcock hockey, partly because it's simply been worse. I think Babcock would have been all over guys like Larkin, Mantha, AA, Sproul, and likely would have been able to do more with them than Blashill does. Not to mention Babcock got a lot more out of Tatar, Sheahan and Nyquist, which simply can not be explained away by any decline.

Nah, anyone who can't see how this team looks simply clueless at times isn't watching closely enough. Sometimes it looks like they have no strategy at all. Every player has to completely scan the ice for what to do with the puck when they get it. In a well-coached system, players know "in this situation, I do this". You get everyone to move the puck a fraction of a second faster and suddenly you have more space and time to do things. In Blashill's systen, the opposite is happening.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Jimmy Howard comes back down to earth, News at 11

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

So Gator has the worst contract in the league right?

Didn't see that one coming...

Gators contract will be bad, Pretty sure right now that Dustin Browns contract is even worse Lombardi can't give it away for free.

 

[njx9]

I think he's got a lot to learn behind a pro bench, but there's only so much lipstick you can put on a pig.

A good starting point would be better roster management. There's no excuse for Sproul sitting in the press box or Z routinely getting 20+ minutes or some of the baffling PP and OT combinations he's put together, other than that Blashill is either scared or stupid, and neither bodes well for him as a coach. I can forgive a lot of on-ice stuff from coaches - at some point you have to have talent to do anything, or you do what you can to hide players. But I absolutely can't forgive the off ice decisions that contribute to not having talent on the ice.

That said, full credit for giving Mantha actual 1st line time, and a ton of PP time. I really never thought I'd see that.

 

[Frk It]

Not sure if it's been mentioned, but Mantha led all F's in TOI last night with 18:58 mins. Showcase? Reward? Seeing what he brings in a lost game?

Rumors Anaheim is interested + 19 minutes of ice time = showcasing

 

[Frk It]

I never thought the team was all that boring. Blashill hockey has been much more boring than Babcock hockey, partly because it's simply been worse. I think Babcock would have been all over guys like Larkin, Mantha, AA, Sproul, and likely would have been able to do more with them than Blashill does. Not to mention Babcock got a lot more out of Tatar, Sheahan and Nyquist, which simply can not be explained away by any decline.

Nah, anyone who can't see how this team looks simply clueless at times isn't watching closely enough. Sometimes it looks like they have no strategy at all. Every player has to completely scan the ice for what to do with the puck when they get it. In a well-coached system, players know "in this situation, I do this". You get everyone to move the puck a fraction of a second faster and suddenly you have more space and time to do things. In Blashill's systen, the opposite is happening.

I think a coaching change would be warranted this season, although I'm not sure how much of an impact a new coach would have. I also would be in favor of going with Nelson as opposed to bringing in an outside candidate, if we were to go that route.

 

[jkutswings]

I don't deny that Blashill is mismanaging things. But if the window is over, and my choices are to improve the coaching staff, and turn things around to once again have the ceiling of a first round exit, or to let Blashill continue to bumble his way to a top ten pick, I'll gladly take the top ten pick.

If you determine that it's time to rebuild, and Blash isn't going to cut it, but you need the next guy to be anything more then another band-aid, then let the bottom drop before you try to build it back up. The only risk is any permanent damage to the few good young players they have, but considering how slim the odds are of getting a really good coach to jump on this burning bandwagon at the moment, I'll take my chances at letting the current slide play out, and going after a new guy in the off season.

 

[14ari13]

We played with a nasty pack mentality in the beginning of the season. That slash and boarding would have been answered with a pack of 5 players in red and white coming at him. They won a few, and kind of let that intensity slip. And that is exactly why we stink. Lackluster efforts all the way around.

I absolutely HATEEEE when they lose like sissies. It does nothing for confidence, you just mope around. It's a joke. At least make it worth it in a game like that, as you said.

AS I said Thea played like IT was game 7 of SCFs

Howard and Big E are having ups right now, doubting that they consistently keep it up though. Green & Helm regressed in terms of numbers. But the latter improved his defensive play, I'll give you that. Vanek started off pretty good and seemed to kick start his career again, yes. But let's wait how many points he got at the end of the season.

Hmmm. Interesting. If they play good then let's wait and see it is still early, but if they play bad it is guaranteed they will played bad all season long.
You see?

In 7 games, sure, but I'd personally want to see him play a bunch more games under Blashill before saying whether he's definitely better. Vanek has been notorious for his vanishing acts throughout his career. I do agree with the others, though.

As for the Habs intensity, I'm not really disappointed or surprised for that matter. They're the hottest team in the league, they're playing with a ton of confidence. Plus, last nights win set the franchise record for best home start, so there was some added motivation going into the game.

See above.the habs finished 13th last season. I think it is pathetic to play that way this early in the season.

I think that's what you saw last night. One team with a ton of confidence and one with little to none. The wings looked so tentative last night. Their qaulity scoring chances were few and far between. If all these players continue to produce less than they have in the past, something needs to be done. Whether it's a new coach or trades of some sort. It's getting tiresome watching this brand of hockey.

Ton of confidence. I am not sure it was confidence, it was desperation, for no reason.

Mantha did that in his first NHL game of the season. I was expecting him to come energized. Nope.

He is a big body, you won't see him energised .

Well last year they collapsed because Price was injured for the season. If he stays healthy I doubt they collapse like that. Although I do expect his numbers to regress a bit at some point here.

We will see, but I would rather bet they miss it again than making it.

Not sure if it's been mentioned, but Mantha led all F's in TOI last night with 18:58 mins. Showcase? Reward? Seeing what he brings in a lost game?

Maybe.

Rumors Anaheim is interested + 19 minutes of ice time = showcasing

What for?

 

[Winger98]

I think a coaching change would be warranted this season, although I'm not sure how much of an impact a new coach would have. I also would be in favor of going with Nelson as opposed to bringing in an outside candidate, if we were to go that route.

I'm a big Dave Tippet fan. He's having a rough time in the desert lately, and if Arizona cuts him loose I wouldn't mind us going in that direction if we're moving away from Blashill.

 

[ap3x]

Hmmm. Interesting. If they play good then let's wait and see it is still early, but if they play bad it is guaranteed they will played bad all season long.
You see?

To be fair, I didn't really say that. The "let's wait and see" - part refers to a player that hasn't performed consistently before getting traded here and was playing his first games as a Red Wing. The other ones got one full season at least and have proven not being consistently on that level. During that time, Green and Helm regressed in terms of numbers.

 

[Wood Stick]

I think a coaching change would be warranted this season, although I'm not sure how much of an impact a new coach would have. I also would be in favor of going with Nelson as opposed to bringing in an outside candidate, if we were to go that route.

Same. I can't think of a free agent coach I'd want. Krueger is coaching in the NCAA I think and I do think he ends up in Vegas. Todd Nelson is a legit coach and had success with a **** Oilers team. He's our next guy. Blash looks awful at this level which is such a shame

 

[Frk It]

Same. I can't think of a free agent coach I'd want. Krueger is coaching in the NCAA I think and I do think he ends up in Vegas. Todd Nelson is a legit coach and had success with a **** Oilers team. He's our next guy. Blash looks awful at this level which is such a shame

His specialty is defense and defenseman, and that is our biggest weakness. He did great things with Sproul last year. Seems like a no-brainer.

 

[Wood Stick]

His specialty is defense and defenseman, and that is our biggest weakness. He did great things with Sproul last year. Seems like a no-brainer.

He was also great with the stars offensively like Jordan Eberle who played great hockey with Nelson.

 

[Dotter]

His specialty is defense and defenseman, and that is our biggest weakness. He did great things with Sproul last year. Seems like a no-brainer.

So replace a 1 year removed AHL for another AHL coach? Is the grass really greener? I don't think so. Seems like a lateral desperation move at best. More likely a knee jerk reaction.

Run with Blash unless Tippett becomes available. Blashhill has what a total of 9 months of NHL coaching under his belt?. Already throwing in the towl? And his record last season wasn't that far off from Babcock last seasons of the year with DET.

 

[Frk It]

So replace a 1 year removed AHL for another AHL coach? Is the grass really greener? I don't think so. Seems like a lateral desperation move at best. More likely a knee jerk reaction.

Run with Blash unless Tippett becomes available. Blashhill has what a total of 9 months of NHL coaching under his belt?. Already throwing in the towl? And his record last season wasn't that far off from Babcock last seasons of the year with DET.

Coaches get fired after 9 months of coaching all the time. Wouldn't be the first time or the last time. Not seeing anything about what Blashill is doing that would warrant him keeping his job? I was optimistic he would bring about some positive changes, but I can't say I have really seen any.

Highly doubt that Tippett becomes available any time soon. Just got a 5 year extension and has a front office position. The team isn't struggling because of Tippett. It is struggling because their 1st line center is Jordan Martinook, and their center depth consists of: Martinook, Dvorak, Richardson, Strome.

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

I'm a big Dave Tippet fan. He's having a rough time in the desert lately, and if Arizona cuts him loose I wouldn't mind us going in that direction if we're moving away from Blashill.

I don't think you are going to find a bigger name coach to take this job. Blash's replacement, be it in season or out of season will be someone with similar limited NHL head coaching experience. I could actually see Torchetti taking over if he gets canned mid-season.

Tippet hockey is boring as hell to watch but I do think he is an above average coach. The problem is that coaching isn't going to change the fortunes of this team.

 

[Winger98]

I don't think you are going to find a bigger name coach to take this job. Blash's replacement, be it in season or out of season will be someone with similar limited NHL head coaching experience. I could actually see Torchetti taking over if he gets canned mid-season.

Tippet hockey is boring as hell to watch but I do think he is an above average coach. The problem is that coaching isn't going to change the fortunes of this team.

How long was Hitchcock in Columbus? Honestly, my head is sort of fried from a lack of sleep, but my point is that coaches will go where there's a decent job and better money. If someone's on the market and we want him, the cap doesn't prevent us from just blowing what we need to blow to make it happen.

If it's mid-season, yeah, I could see Torchetti taking it, too. Maybe even Nelson coming up for an audition. I don't think Holland will can Blashill mid-season, though. Just doesn't seem like a Holland thing and I don't think it would be a move that could push this team into another gear to get into the playoffs. That other gear might just not be there.