Post-Game Talk: The Powerhouse at Pittsburgh | 2/17/19 - 12:30 PM - NBC

[mrhockey193195]

Didn't quit. We saw the skill some of our guys have. That 6 on 5 was awesome (when do we say that with this team) definitely some positives. And not getting two meaningless points in the process.

I don’t disagree with your greater point, but was that 6-on-5 “awesome”? I mean...they wasted 60 seconds not getting the puck towards the net with bodies, only to finally score with 18 seconds left and no hope of winning. There’s no awareness with this team sometimes. Just fire the puck towards traffic with 60 seconds left, stop f***ing passing around the perimeter and killing time.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I don’t disagree with your greater point, but was that 6-on-5 “awesome”? I mean...they wasted 60 seconds not getting the puck towards the net with bodies, only to finally score with 18 seconds left and no hope of winning. There’s no awareness with this team sometimes. Just fire the puck towards traffic with 60 seconds left, stop ****ing passing around the perimeter and killing time.

And if they do that, people will complain that "all their shots get blocked"

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Hits... The most useless stat in hockey.

Why is that?

 

[bl02]

Well, with that attitude, you may as well go knee-to-knee then

Just the facts. Hitting is part of hockey. Who said anything about intentionally injuring someone like a knee on knee?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Why is that?

Because it measures every time 2 players collide. It doesn't factor in what the result of the hit is. I've explained this

The stat is BS.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Rangers since the ASB are interesting...

4-5-1 with pretty strong analytics. Definitely some regression here record wise from all the points they banked earlier in the season (They're still 5 points higher than they should be if all things were equal), but they've also faced 8(!) back ups since then have have been rested while their opponent plays the tail end of B2b's 6 times!

level of competition has been a mixed bag but I'd surmise that it's probably above average during that time span, though the rest days even that out a bit.

This is like the polar opposite of the 2014-15 season where it seemed like the Rangers played every night during the stretch run.

Who ever is in charge of making the schedule deserves a swift kick in the nards.

I don’t disagree with your greater point, but was that 6-on-5 “awesome”? I mean...they wasted 60 seconds not getting the puck towards the net with bodies, only to finally score with 18 seconds left and no hope of winning. There’s no awareness with this team sometimes. Just fire the puck towards traffic with 60 seconds left, stop ****ing passing around the perimeter and killing time.

I mean if it were a one goal game before that, people would be splooging themselves over how amazing that whole sequence was.

I'll take what they did over throwing hail marys at the net that end up getting intercepted and dunked on for a freebie against.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Because it measures every time 2 players collide. It doesn't factor in what the result of the hit is. I've explained this

The stat is BS.

That is not how it's scored.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Rangers since the ASB are interesting...

4-5-1 with pretty strong analytics. Definitely some regression here record wise from all the points they banked earlier in the season (They're still 5 points higher than they should be if all things were equal), but they've also faced 8(!) back ups since then have have been rested while their opponent plays the tail end of B2b's 6 times!

level of competition has been a mixed bag but I'd surmise that it's probably above average during that time span, though the rest days even that out a bit.

This is like the polar opposite of the 2014-15 season where it seemed like the Rangers played every night during the stretch run.

Who ever is in charge of making the schedule deserves a swift kick in the nards.



I mean if it were a one goal game before that, people would be splooging themselves over how amazing that whole sequence was.

I'll take what they did over throwing hail marys at the net that end up getting intercepted and dunked on for a freebie against.

From a business perspective, Bettman has showed a certain genius with the "loser point" era appearance of the standings.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

That is not how it's scored.

I know. I was exaggerating. But the point is: They count all hits, even the ones that don't result in anything positive.

 

[Irishguy42]

If the hit doesn't result in almost immediate possession of the puck for your team, it's kinda useless. Most times when you hit the puck carrier, the opposing team just picks it back up against and keeps going. Might as well use your time better and pick-pocket the puck carrier, or knock the puck off their stick and let their momentum carry themselves away from the puck.

Also, if you're hitting more, it means you have the puck a lot less than the opponent. And that's never a good thing.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

From a business perspective, Bettman has showed a certain genius with the "loser point" era appearance of the standings.

True, but on the list of things that Bettman should be punted for, Thats....

Well I'd say that probably up there. F him too.

 

[Machinehead]

Forechecking matters more for sure. But hitting in the playoffs isn't without merit. Not as much in the past but there is still a physical element to playoff hockey.

There's also a "shooting more than the other team wins games" element to playoff hockey.

 

[Vinny DeAngelo]

Or be as good offensively and defensively as Brian Leetch

It's the name not being Brian Leetch.

No one will ever be... Leetch is a hall of famer.. if you expect every offensive defenseman to be a HoFer you’re going to be disappointed

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

I know. I was exaggerating. But the point is: They count all hits, even the ones that don't result in anything positive.

They could keep better book keeping of it. I agree.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

True, but on the list of things that Bettman should be punted for, Thats....

Well I'd say that probably up there. F him too.

I said from a business perspective.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

No one will ever be... Leetch is a hall of famer.. if you expect every offensive defenseman to be a HoFer you’re going to be disappointed

No we don't.

 

[offdacrossbar]

good solid loss

ADA isnt the problem people.

kid is skilled.

 

[nyrage]

If the hit doesn't result in almost immediate possession of the puck for your team, it's kinda useless. Most times when you hit the puck carrier, the opposing team just picks it back up against and keeps going. Might as well use your time better and pick-pocket the puck carrier, or knock the puck off their stick and let their momentum carry themselves away from the puck.

Also, if you're hitting more, it means you have the puck a lot less than the opponent. And that's never a good thing.

Hitting has a few effects that don't necessarily lead to possession for your team.

It makes players get rid of a puck faster which can lead to passes off their mark (not necessarily loss of possession, but perhaps a scoring chance).

Hits can wear down players over the duration of the game.

Hits can make players timid for potential future contact. I don't know if Chytil got hit earlier, but there was a play in the third when he should have clearly been the first man to the puck passed around the boards, but he basically let up to not get hit. He let the Penguin get to the puck first and we lost possession of the puck.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Hitting has a few effects that don't necessarily lead to possession for your team.

It makes players get rid of a puck faster which can lead to passes off their mark (not necessarily loss of possession, but perhaps a scoring chance).

Hits can wear down players over the duration of the game.

Hits can make players timid for potential future contact. I don't know if Chytil got hit earlier, but there was a play in the third when he should have clearly been the first man to the puck passed around the boards, but he basically let up to not get hit. He let the Penguin get to the puck first and we lost possession of the puck.

It really is a brave new world when you need to explain the effects of hitting in North American to fans of a North American Ice Hockey team.

 

[Boris Zubov]

someone should've roughed up crosby

Posts like this will always garner a like from me!

 

[duhmetreE]

Hitting has a few effects that don't necessarily lead to possession for your team.

It makes players get rid of a puck faster which can lead to passes off their mark (not necessarily loss of possession, but perhaps a scoring chance).

Hits can wear down players over the duration of the game.

Hits can make players timid for potential future contact. I don't know if Chytil got hit earlier, but there was a play in the third when he should have clearly been the first man to the puck passed around the boards, but he basically let up to not get hit. He let the Penguin get to the puck first and we lost possession of the puck.

No, that's been his game lately.

Even if he's the first to get to the puck, he still has the puck handling issues

 

[nyrage]

It really is a brave new world when you need to explain the effects of hitting in North American to fans of a North American Ice Hockey team.

I remember my old coaches practicing checking drills. Now it's probably practicing maximizing your Corsi rating.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

I remember my old coaches practicing checking drills. Now it's probably practicing maximizing your Corsi rating.

Ever skate the gauntlet ?

 

[nyrage]

Ever skate the gauntlet ?

No, my neanderthal coaches did all kinds of hitting drills, but not skating through a team. Some poor sucker had to skate back into the corner for the puck and the other lucky guy got to drive him into the boards. lol. "transfer power, drive through the hips". No concussions back in those days. Just smelling salts. Needed your head on straight so that you could go home that night and watch the Flyers and Rangers beat each other senseless. Well mostly the Flyers beating on the Rangers.

 

[Miamipuck]

It's embarrassing that a national commentator would show overt bias by saying "That was a HUGE save for US"

Someone should be calling him into their office for a chat over that little blurb

I am totally ok with firing him.