The point total of the top players is a joke

[RandallRitchey]

My biggest problem?

Goalie shoulder pads don't have to finish on the same level as the goalies ears to protect them. I've played goalie with smaller pads than that. You feel the shots, they don't feel great, but they protect you. Shoulder pads don't have to be that tall.

 

[the paisanos guy]

Since when does quantity describe quality? How many 50 goal scorers in the NHL? How many guys break 100 pts? We used to have guys who could score 50 in 50, now they can barely get 40 in 82.

You've got it completely backwards. There's fewer 50 goal scorers because there are more talented players and less disparity in player talent across the league. It's not a quantity vs. quality, there's simply more quality players because there's a higher quantity of people playing hockey in the world.

This is not hard to understand. It's a numbers game.

 

[AD1066]

Since when does quantity describe quality? How many 50 goal scorers in the NHL? How many guys break 100 pts? We used to have guys who could score 50 in 50, now they can barely get 40 in 82.

If the difference between the game today and the game 30 years ago isn't immediately evident, I'm not sure how to respond to this.

 

[Radek27]

If the difference between the game today and the game 30 years ago isn't immediately evident, I'm not sure how to respond to this.

You're right, the rules favor higher scoring now than it did back then.

 

[Radek27]

You've got it completely backwards. There's fewer 50 goal scorers because there are more talented players and less disparity in player talent across the league. It's not a quantity vs. quality, there's simply more quality players because there's a higher quantity of people playing hockey in the world.

This is not hard to understand. It's a numbers game.

If this were true you wouldn't have the same teams sucking every season (Florida, Oilers, etc). Expansion has watered down the talent level it didn't create more talent. There are guys who play in the NHL today that really should not be in the NHL.

 

[AD1066]

You're right, the rules favor higher scoring now than it did back then.

The rules perhaps, but improvements in goaltending outweigh any difference they've made.

 

[yukoner88]

from the early 70s, I think we've been rather spoiled with the amount of goals being scored. There's a thread in the History of Hockey Board that shows the top point getters in the 60s, up until around '72, were barely over ppg, much like today. 1972 till 96ish, scoring went from about 6goals/game, to well over 8 in the 80's, then back to 6. It was 97-98 when the goals really dropped.

What we see today, I think is more normal, compared to league history as a whole. There was roughly 25years of above average, to insane scoring, now things have come back to earth and back to how things use to be goal wise.

here's the thread

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1810517

 

[MilanKraft*]

Is this serious? The level of talent in the NHL today is unquestionably higher than the past just from the sheer number of people playing as well as the huge increase in training. It's ridiculous to say otherwise.

Nah, there's less people playing in canada...numbers dropping.

No one is playing road hockey. ..Hockey is too expensive. ...

 

[MilanKraft*]

Roy sucked in the 80's and somehow his stats got way better past his prime....Wonder why????

Hockey died in 1995....True story..

 

[cassius]

Modern goalie equipment is smaller than it was in the 90's.

wat

 

[Retire91]

Easy solution, just add a third 'Tertiary' Assist. Point totals through the roof!!!

I remember Garth Snow with the Flyers. It litterally looked like he had a doll rod holding his jersey up

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

90s pads should come back

 

[penguins2946*]

I have no problem with goalie equipment size, but I'm biased because I am a goalie. I think if refs would actually start calling obstruction in a game and not focus on the calls being even, scoring would be fine. The NHL is averaging 1 less PP per game compared to 03-04. That's about an extra 12 goals per team (assuming a 15% PP), which would rise the goals/game from 5.343 to 5.636 (or 2.67 goals/game to 2.82 goals/game). That's a big difference.

 

[Bending and Tending]

My biggest problem?

Goalie shoulder pads don't have to finish on the same level as the goalies ears to protect them. I've played goalie with smaller pads than that. You feel the shots, they don't feel great, but they protect you. Shoulder pads don't have to be that tall.

When you lean over with a chest pad, it's inevitable that it would ride up.

EDIT: Crawford also happens to be 6' 2", while Tony Esposito is 5'11". Crawford is in a much lower stance than Esposito, especially if you look at the crossbar versus their shoulders, so the riding up effect is even more prevalent

 

[BraveCanadian]

Modern goalie equipment is smaller than it was in the 90's.

If by 90s you mean late 90s Garth Snow, maybe.

If by 90s you mean all of the 90s I'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree. Yeahhhh..

Goalies themselves are bigger now so even if they wear proportionally sized equipment it is bigger.

 

[mustardnight*]

For all those non goalies out there, maybe you should conisder the human being behind the goalie gear, having to physically block a shea weber shot because their job depends on it. 90's gear has improved because pads are first and foremost PROTECTION. Ai!'t no way Esposito gets up after getting clonked with a Chara laser.

 

[BraveCanadian]

For all those non goalies out there, maybe you should conisder the human being behind the goalie gear, having to physically block a shea weber shot because their job depends on it. 90's gear has improved because pads are first and foremost PROTECTION. Ai!'t no way Esposito gets up after getting clonked with a Chara laser.

Ok, bring back wooden sticks too. Feel better?

 

[Tripod]

If by 90s you mean late 90s Garth Snow, maybe.

If by 90s you mean all of the 90s I'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree. Yeahhhh..

Goalies themselves are bigger now so even if they wear proportionally sized equipment it is bigger.

But they don't.

They wear bigger gear to take up space, not protect them.

 

[NJDevilsFan21]

Why not make the goals the 10% larger. As silly as it sounds, if the goalies are 10% larger by volume (and probably more) why not make the goals larger to compensate? Goalies today have a really high SV% compared to a decade+ ago. And its not because they are so much better. Goalies today are putting up Hasek like SV% left and right. Make the ice international sized as well. The game is also faster than it used to be and could use more space.

Brodeur 199x

Brodeur 2012

I still remember from the 2003 finals when the commentators were making fun of Giguere saying he was playing poorly (first or second game) because he couldn't feel the puck hitting him because he so much equipment. And thus he had no idea if he actually had it or not, and kept freezing up leading to Devils goals.

 

[mustardnight*]

Ok, bring back wooden sticks too. Feel better?

Do you not understand my point?

 

[DyerMaker66*]

You've got it completely backwards. There's fewer 50 goal scorers because there are more talented players and less disparity in player talent across the league. It's not a quantity vs. quality, there's simply more quality players because there's a higher quantity of people playing hockey in the world.

This is not hard to understand. It's a numbers game.

Then why do worse teams play resort to defensive hockey? There are more quality players, but the depth of teams has dropped.

 

[Tripod]

Why not make the goals the 10% larger. As silly as it sounds, if the goalies are 10% larger by volume (and probably more) why not make the goals larger to compensate? Goalies today have a really high SV% compared to a decade+ ago. And its not because they are so much better. Goalies today are putting up Hasek like SV% left and right. Make the ice international sized as well. The game is also faster than it used to be and could use more space.

Brodeur 199x

Brodeur 2012

I still remember from the 2003 finals when the commentators were making fun of Giguere saying he was playing poorly (first or second game) because he couldn't feel the puck hitting him because he so much equipment. And thus he had no idea if he actually had it or not, and kept freezing up leading to Devils goals.

If people cannot se the difference in the 2 pics, then there is no hope for them.

Goalies didn't get hurt more back then with the smaller gear. They still had Iafrate, McInnis, Hull shooting at them.

Plain and simple...goalies wear gear today to take us space, not for "just" protection.

 

[billybudd]

When you lean over with a chest pad, it's inevitable that it would ride up.

EDIT: Crawford also happens to be 6' 2", while Tony Esposito is 5'11". Crawford is in a much lower stance than Esposito, especially if you look at the crossbar versus their shoulders, so the riding up effect is even more prevalent

That doesn't explain why Espo has a six hole and Crawford doesn't.

 

[BraveCanadian]

But they don't.

They wear bigger gear to take up space, not protect them.

I agree, but it is both the goalies themselves being bigger on average AND the equipment being bigger and, most importantly, lighter too.

 

[Sleepy]

I'd like to see if eliminating the loser point would slightly affect scoring. Too many teams playing completely defensively in the 3rd period of tie games to secure at least a loser point.