Snubbed4Vezina
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Blues in 7. Binnington steals a few games we have no business winning.
The Playoff Push, Tanking and Scoreboard Watching Thread
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Snubbed4Vezina
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Yeah, forgot about all those guys too. Crazy the players they have traded away that won. Guess it happened to the Blues too though under bad management. Hull, Shanny, Pronger, Oshie, Brindamour, and I'm sure many others that I'm too lazy to look up!
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Utah so far behind that they can't catch themselves. Sad.
Of the 4 teams we can realistically matchup against in round 1, my preference goes like this:
1. LAK
2. VGK
3. WPG
4. DAL
VGK and WPG are close, but VGK gets the edge because that means we aren't in the Central bracket. So the best case scenario is we hold our WC1 spot down and LAK passes VGK. Hopefully WPG holds onto 1st in the Central so that there's a greater chance DAL is eliminated round 1 to COL. I still take DAL in that series, but it's obviously a tougher matchup than MIN or CGY, and I want DAL to have the toughest possible path. So ideally:
WPG vs. MIN/CGY
DAL vs. COL
LAK vs. STL
VGK vs. EDM
1. LAK
2. VGK
3. WPG
4. DAL
VGK and WPG are close, but VGK gets the edge because that means we aren't in the Central bracket. So the best case scenario is we hold our WC1 spot down and LAK passes VGK. Hopefully WPG holds onto 1st in the Central so that there's a greater chance DAL is eliminated round 1 to COL. I still take DAL in that series, but it's obviously a tougher matchup than MIN or CGY, and I want DAL to have the toughest possible path. So ideally:
WPG vs. MIN/CGY
DAL vs. COL
LAK vs. STL
VGK vs. EDM
I write “us” and autocorrect did its thing.
Falco Lombardi
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Is it crazy to feel more comfortable against Vegas than it is LA? The Kings home record is just insanity.
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The Kings don't worry me at all. We beat them twice (before the streak) and the only time they beat us was when we were on the 2nd half of a B2B and I believe without Cam Fowler.
Yeah, but there road record is abysmal. 15-19-5. If you can take at least one game from them in LA then you're in decent shape.
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Yeah, it kind of is.
Kings can be hot during certain stretches. But that team is so full of holes that one of them is bound to leak sooner or later. VGK for all its fits and starts is a very well rounded team, and one that is highly experienced in the postseason. It's the last team that you would want to take on lightly.
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If Vancouver loses tonight in regulation, they are eliminated, if the Flames lose their next game in regulation and the Blues win any one of their remaining games, the Flames are eliminated. Any sort of loss from here on out for either Vancouver or Calgary is certain death. Blues hold the cards in their hands.
Vegas:
Advantages: top line, defensive and goaltending size, density of thick dudes.
Weaknesses: hollow secondary scoring, modest game breaking impact from defense and goal.
Unfortunately: all of our playoff round 1 options have very high difficulty. When I say the Knights or any of these teams have a weakness I mean relative to other elite teams. They’re solid and good. There are none of them we should be asking for, but I’m personally thrilled with Vegas and the path afterwards if we get to take it. I don’t know that we have a better chance of advancing versus them so much but I also don’t see any way that their team can render us hopeless. I see it as a great first step for our younger team and if we’re able to pull out a series victory I LOVE the path that comes after. If we do lose to them the lesson will be valuable and honest.
I’ll break down Vegas more so if it’s wanted……
The best ways I can describe them quickly:
Nearly everybody can and does play a 200 foot game.
The list of guys who aren’t available for penalty kill is probably just Dorofeyev and their 4th line wingers.
Hanifin is presently running their top pp with the overload of Eichel, stone, Karlsson and either dorofeyev or barby as the 5th. Have to guess their 6v5 end of game stuff looks like this too although then they’d probably have normal d out with Petro and Theodore rotating on the right. This all could switch to Theodore? Unsure how his return from injury will change his deployment from now til weeks from now.
Their top group is hard to stop with stone kind of being an animal and Eichel being a bit transcendent, aggressive, and clutch. I like their 2 line rotation to end games. That being said, I think teams like Colorado and Edmonton are much stronger when overloading a shift and while the Vegas group will do damage, it’s not mission impossible to shut them down from time to time. They’re going to win their share of moments and that’s a main strength of their team.
Teams get no break from their defensive rotation but they do have some areas of weakness there - it’s nice that there is no Makar, Hughes, etc to have to address. I like Hanifin but there are better offensive choices - id rather have Broberg’s puck transport for sure. I like Petro but I feel he’s been less superhuman as he heads to the end of his career, but still is an elite top 4 d. McNabb is excellent in his role imo. Likely Olympian Shea Theodore is their smallest defenseman at 6’2, 200lb.
Their team performance this year was pretty mid, considering how stable their team has been, when Hertl was out/not producing. They aren’t able to generate as much as other very elite teams. Very similar to the chunk of our season where we had one group going well but not able to win lots of games - we had to get multiple groups going and they have to also. But they were able to win games with the big stable defense where we had some rearranging to do before we got set.
If Hertl’s going to be out for the playoffs then their chances to win a cup are very slim imo. They’re extremely unbalanced without their middle being productive - and rely on unreliable guys for secondary scoring. Like…we ejected Saad from our group and he’s needed there….
I’d give Eichel/Stone group a slight bump over Thomas/Buchnevich but I’d say our middle groups with Schenn, Kyrou, Sunny and the young dudes - neighbors, Bolduc, Snuggerud, Dvorsky - to be a large improvement, were much more threatening, over their hertl-less group with Dorofeyev, Howden, Saad, Reilly Smith, Olafsson, and Willy Karlsson. Both 4th lines are solid - Nick Roy is a big upgrade over Faksa but I like our wingers much more and more importantly they seem to kill their 4th line in tight games - pushing Roy up the lineup and leaving the two wingers rotting on the bench. We don’t have this specific limitation - we toss wtf out in normal 3rd period rotations often and we push sunny up, but will treat Matt Joseph similar to their guys who are victims to short bench.
Their goaltending plan is to put the biggest guy in net behind the big defense - we should have an upper hand with the more athletic and aggressive tender in Binner but can also just play their game if we went with our backup. We should be able to find solutions to their defensive plan because we’re faster and full of shooters.
I think it’ll be close as to what the systems predict. Without hertls emergence for about a month there id have guessed we’d be considered the favorite. If hertl’s group was rocking as it was recently before his injury I’d guess the systems would pick them. Tough to say - I think a lot of the systems will be pulling from the final games of the season in order to make their guess - and some of these final games may not be competitive due to clinching…. I think it’s a toss up as to who is named the favorite in the series and it’s probably meaningless. It’s a fairly even matchup imo, just so happens one of their weaknesses (secondary scoring) is not one of ours while both of us have nice mature defenses, and I think our top line is close enough to theirs that the advantage they have there isn’t large enough to guarantee our suffering.
Secret plan to win: test Eichel with abnormally high physicality. If he were to be worn out, there’s not much they can do to stop a full team coming in waves. This is how you make it hopeless for them…we shouldn’t go full Nancy Kerrigan on him, but if there is a borderline legal way to hit him we should be considering it.
Advantages: top line, defensive and goaltending size, density of thick dudes.
Weaknesses: hollow secondary scoring, modest game breaking impact from defense and goal.
Unfortunately: all of our playoff round 1 options have very high difficulty. When I say the Knights or any of these teams have a weakness I mean relative to other elite teams. They’re solid and good. There are none of them we should be asking for, but I’m personally thrilled with Vegas and the path afterwards if we get to take it. I don’t know that we have a better chance of advancing versus them so much but I also don’t see any way that their team can render us hopeless. I see it as a great first step for our younger team and if we’re able to pull out a series victory I LOVE the path that comes after. If we do lose to them the lesson will be valuable and honest.
I’ll break down Vegas more so if it’s wanted……
The best ways I can describe them quickly:
Nearly everybody can and does play a 200 foot game.
The list of guys who aren’t available for penalty kill is probably just Dorofeyev and their 4th line wingers.
Hanifin is presently running their top pp with the overload of Eichel, stone, Karlsson and either dorofeyev or barby as the 5th. Have to guess their 6v5 end of game stuff looks like this too although then they’d probably have normal d out with Petro and Theodore rotating on the right. This all could switch to Theodore? Unsure how his return from injury will change his deployment from now til weeks from now.
Their top group is hard to stop with stone kind of being an animal and Eichel being a bit transcendent, aggressive, and clutch. I like their 2 line rotation to end games. That being said, I think teams like Colorado and Edmonton are much stronger when overloading a shift and while the Vegas group will do damage, it’s not mission impossible to shut them down from time to time. They’re going to win their share of moments and that’s a main strength of their team.
Teams get no break from their defensive rotation but they do have some areas of weakness there - it’s nice that there is no Makar, Hughes, etc to have to address. I like Hanifin but there are better offensive choices - id rather have Broberg’s puck transport for sure. I like Petro but I feel he’s been less superhuman as he heads to the end of his career, but still is an elite top 4 d. McNabb is excellent in his role imo. Likely Olympian Shea Theodore is their smallest defenseman at 6’2, 200lb.
Their team performance this year was pretty mid, considering how stable their team has been, when Hertl was out/not producing. They aren’t able to generate as much as other very elite teams. Very similar to the chunk of our season where we had one group going well but not able to win lots of games - we had to get multiple groups going and they have to also. But they were able to win games with the big stable defense where we had some rearranging to do before we got set.
If Hertl’s going to be out for the playoffs then their chances to win a cup are very slim imo. They’re extremely unbalanced without their middle being productive - and rely on unreliable guys for secondary scoring. Like…we ejected Saad from our group and he’s needed there….
I’d give Eichel/Stone group a slight bump over Thomas/Buchnevich but I’d say our middle groups with Schenn, Kyrou, Sunny and the young dudes - neighbors, Bolduc, Snuggerud, Dvorsky - to be a large improvement, were much more threatening, over their hertl-less group with Dorofeyev, Howden, Saad, Reilly Smith, Olafsson, and Willy Karlsson. Both 4th lines are solid - Nick Roy is a big upgrade over Faksa but I like our wingers much more and more importantly they seem to kill their 4th line in tight games - pushing Roy up the lineup and leaving the two wingers rotting on the bench. We don’t have this specific limitation - we toss wtf out in normal 3rd period rotations often and we push sunny up, but will treat Matt Joseph similar to their guys who are victims to short bench.
Their goaltending plan is to put the biggest guy in net behind the big defense - we should have an upper hand with the more athletic and aggressive tender in Binner but can also just play their game if we went with our backup. We should be able to find solutions to their defensive plan because we’re faster and full of shooters.
I think it’ll be close as to what the systems predict. Without hertls emergence for about a month there id have guessed we’d be considered the favorite. If hertl’s group was rocking as it was recently before his injury I’d guess the systems would pick them. Tough to say - I think a lot of the systems will be pulling from the final games of the season in order to make their guess - and some of these final games may not be competitive due to clinching…. I think it’s a toss up as to who is named the favorite in the series and it’s probably meaningless. It’s a fairly even matchup imo, just so happens one of their weaknesses (secondary scoring) is not one of ours while both of us have nice mature defenses, and I think our top line is close enough to theirs that the advantage they have there isn’t large enough to guarantee our suffering.
Secret plan to win: test Eichel with abnormally high physicality. If he were to be worn out, there’s not much they can do to stop a full team coming in waves. This is how you make it hopeless for them…we shouldn’t go full Nancy Kerrigan on him, but if there is a borderline legal way to hit him we should be considering it.
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This isn’t true.
The Blues are ahead of Minnesota so both teams would still be able to catch the Wild. They are not eliminated with their next loss.
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I am on the Blues playoff bandwagon. I want to dab on all the haters that made "one and done" posts after 2019.
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Welcome back. We’ve missed you.
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Thanks. I didn't like Yzerman's offseason moves and it kinda killed my desire to care about GaryPuck this year. Love the Blues getting Broberg and Holloway - best move Armstrong has made in like 6 years.
I plan on attending some Blues playoff games, especially if its a deep run. Time to dust off my Fuhr Blues jersey.
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True, though I will add that I'm not even concerned about the seeding between the Wild, Flames, or Canucks, but yes you are right. Really just care about the Blues securing a spot. In that case, I should edit my comment to say that the Blues will secure a spot.
| Team | Magic Number to clinch Playoffs | Current Points | Games Remaining | Possible Points | RW | ROW | Common Games |
| Blues | 4 | 93 | 4 | 101 | 31 | 39 | vs U |
| Wild | 6 | 91 | 4 | 99 | 34 | 39 | vs C, vs V |
| Flames | . | 85 | 6 | 97 | 27 | 32 | vs W |
| Canucks | . | 83 | 5 | 93 | 27 | 32 | vs W |
| Utah | . | 82 | 5 | 92 | 27 | 34 | vs B |
Vancouver and Utah are eliminated every way except officially. I also don’t see the Kings catching Vegas. It’s starting to look like maybe the matchups will be set before the last game or two.
The Blues could officially clinch tomorrow with a RW and a regulation loss by Calgary.
it might land us a wild card spot if we're lucky
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