The Playoff Push, Tanking and Scoreboard Watching Thread

[LetsGoBooze]

For 2 months I've been alternating between thinking about us making noise in the playoffs after every win or thinking about how nice a top 10 pick would be after every loss, so I'm not gonna call out anyone for whatever they're rooting for. The only thing that's weird to me is being judgemental about which one anyone else here is hoping for. This is a Blues board. Everyone here is ultimately rooting for the success of the Blues, even the people who are pulling for opposite outcome as you this season.

Fans rooting for the pick or the playoffs has zero impact on what eventually happens. No reason to get emotional on here because someone doesn't agree with you. We all want the same in the end.

That being said, I don't think I've heard anyone here advocate for a tear it down down rebuild, but some posts paint the picture that wanting a high draft pick in a given year is the same as wanting a half-decade rebuild. I don't recall anyone here suggesting the Blues should try to draft in the top 3 for even a couple years.

Nailed it. I've been pretty vocal about wanting a higher pick. That stated, never have I mentioned wanting any sort of sell off, and bottom out. Sure, i woulda taken the equivalent of two 1sts for Schenn at this past deadline cause the prices being handed out were bonkers, but other than that we should be continuing with the core that is forming in: Thomas, Kyrou, Holloway, Broberg and to an extent Buch and Parayko.

At this point we are one of the hottest teams in the league and there isn't much to deny that, and the team controls its own destiny. That stated i still don't think this team has the overall talent or depth to compete with the true top teams in the league. I still wouldnt mind us faltering down the stretch and claiming a top 13-14 pick.

Continuing to build both culture and talent is important and I think we can accomplish both, even if it means narrowly missing the playoffs.

Competitive Tank = Playing meaningful games down the stretch, but ending up outside the playoffs with the highest REALISTIC pick possible. Hopefully 13 or 14th overall.

 

[ScratchCatFever]

Not that meaningful or almost meaningless is semantics. It's the same thing. I asked you to define how meaningful and you dodged the question.

You are right about picking 17th. I replied too quickly with too little thought on that. If we win a round, I'll admit I'm wrong. But I see that as a very long shot.

As for which teams should go for it, it is about team structure. A team with mackinnon and Makar, or McDavid and Drai should go for it. They have those major pieces and it's about building out the team around them while the clock is ticking.

We aren't there. We have decent depth but are missing elite talent. We aren't on a ticking clock with super stars where we have to win before they get too old or expensive. We have a nice wave of prospects about to come up. Why not bolster that crop with one more high-end piece?


And again you are passive aggressive. "It's both sides but I only feel pity for the one." Keep your pity and your judgement.

Who says those who want a higher pick aren't enjoying watching the games? That's your assumption.

You are missing the point. The common ground is we all want what's best for the Blues, even if we don't agree what that is. You and yours are the ones who get offended by others wishing for a higher pick.

The passive aggression is saying I am missing the point of being a fan or should be pitied. Both of which were said in the last few posts. Yet I am enjoying watching the Blues, talking about the Blues (mostly) and dreaming for an elite difference maker from this draft. What's to be pitied?

Mind pointing out exactly where I said, or even merely suggested you or any pro-tanker was missing the point of being a fan? I would say, and clearly stated - I feel bad for the fans choosing to miss out on the excitement of just enjoying watching the boys play for each other and with a purpose because that part of their fandom is more focused on what happens in June.

Secondly, I never directed any specific quote or slander toward you. I generally find you to be one of the more rational and informed posters on the board. Perhaps it was the tone of my comment, but it seems you took it personally on your own accord and are now projecting claims that I'm essentially saying you are lesser of a Blues fan than I. Nor did I "dodge" any specific question you directed my way.

My original post, in summary, was nothing more than the those who want the team to have success in the present to cultivate positive morale in the building and within the organization vs those disappointed in that mindset, who prefer the higher draft pick will never find common ground. Your logic is certainly understandable and could very well prove to be correct in the long term. For now, I'm just enjoying watching the guys have a good time out there. I think we're all well aware this team isn't going on a deep run this year, IF we are indeed able to secure a WC. But nobody will convince me that playing meaningful hockey and even losing in 6 in the first round isn't beneficial to a team when generations of NHL players, coaches, and GM's with championships have noted the positives of those very experiences.

 

[Brian39]

At this point we are one of the hottest teams in the league and there isn't much to deny that, and the team controls its own destiny. That stated i still don't think this team has the overall talent or depth to compete with the true top teams in the league. I still wouldnt mind us faltering down the stretch and claiming a top 13-14 pick.

I get it and my brain agrees when I look at the roster.

But in the month since the 4 Nations break I've also watched this go 2-1-1 in 4 games against the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 6th place teams in the league. They've also gone 3-0-1 against the other playoff teams they've played in that stretch. I get that we had more to play for in some of these games and that good teams can elevate in the playoffs, but the team has been playing right with the league's best for the last month.

 

[WATTAGE4451]

Rooting for the team to lose is weak. Unless you are getting a mcdavid the draft order doesnt matter that much. You also are rooting for our current players to be terrible which if they are, doesnt bode well for future since many will still be with team next year. How long have some bottom feeders been in rebuild mode. Just cant fathom rooting for that

 

[Mike Liut]

Rooting for the team to lose is weak. Unless you are getting a mcdavid the draft order doesnt matter that much. You also are rooting for our current players to be terrible which if they are, doesnt bode well for future since many will still be with team next year. How long have some bottom feeders been in rebuild mode. Just cant fathom rooting for that

Just because a fan roots for a better pick, doesn’t mean it’s going to happen. It has no bearing on the outcome.

 

[TruBlueFan1970]

I’ll admit, I’ve done both this season. And honestly, I’m fine with my position. When we were playing lousy and sinking in the standings, I let myself get excited at the potential of a top 7 pick. However, I wasn’t actively rooting against the Blues, but rather was just accepting of it when they lost. Was some great convos on top prospects and appreciated input from those who follow them closely.

Now that they have strung together a run, which they didn’t look capable of based on their play, it’s exciting and I’m rooting for them. And having a blast scoreboard watching. I hope we pull this off and get that lost spot.

It’s the ups and downs of a diehard fan during a bumpy season, but I’ll always watch every minute of every game and enjoy the hell out of it, whether it’s getting a great pick or steaming into the playoffs.

 

[Majorityof1]

Mind pointing out exactly where I said, or even merely suggested you or any pro-tanker was missing the point of being a fan? I would say, and clearly stated - I feel bad for the fans choosing to miss out on the excitement of just enjoying watching the boys play for each other and with a purpose because that part of their fandom is more focused on what happens in June.

Secondly, I never directed any specific quote or slander toward you. I generally find you to be one of the more rational and informed posters on the board. Perhaps it was the tone of my comment, but it seems you took it personally on your own accord and are now projecting claims that I'm essentially saying you are lesser of a Blues fan than I. Nor did I "dodge" any specific question you directed my way.

My original post, in summary, was nothing more than the those who want the team to have success in the present to cultivate positive morale in the building and within the organization vs those disappointed in that mindset, who prefer the higher draft pick will never find common ground. Your logic is certainly understandable and could very well prove to be correct in the long term. For now, I'm just enjoying watching the guys have a good time out there. I think we're all well aware this team isn't going on a deep run this year, IF we are indeed able to secure a WC. But nobody will convince me that playing meaningful hockey and even losing in 6 in the first round isn't beneficial to a team when generations of NHL players, coaches, and GM's with championships have noted the positives of those very experiences.

You didn't say the thing about missing the point. Toasted Rav did. I was pointing out the kind of passive aggressive slander those of us who want to tank get. Maybe I am too sensitive, but I see a lot of pointed comments right after I post claiming I am a fake fan or the like. I have a acerbic argumentative style, so maybe I bring it on myself. But it gets frustrating seeing so many people take pot shots but not willing to engage with me directly. You did, and I appreciate that.

As I said, I think we have common ground. i too am enjoying watching the team play well, click, and especially scoring so many goals is fun. But at the end of the day, I still think the best thing is for us to lose. I cannot completely divorce myself from that thought.

We went on a pretty good run at the end of last year but missed the playoffs. Some of those that were cheering us on also lamented the fact we missed out on Buium by a couple spots. My post that kicked this all off was a tongue in cheek nod to that. But like I said, maybe too acerbic. But I was trying to have a bit of fun with Peoria who I like as a poster. I think he was too. If not, my apologies to him.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

If we were to tank, what are the chances we would end up with a player better than either that we got from Oilers? Schaeffer is the only D I'd rather have over Broberg and Misa is probably the only forward. You need good players to win, but it's not just about sucking for top 5 pick.

 

[BlueMed]

Those who want to tank need to ask themselves a few questions.

1. Given that Kyrou and Thomas are already 25-26 years old and Buchnevich is 29, how long do you expect them to wait for that 2025 draft pick to develop before competing again? Two or three more years? Could they realistically stomach that after missing the playoffs last year and the year before, especially with how they are playing now?
2. From a forward standpoint, what other pieces are we missing in our core group that we don't already have in our prospect system? This was my question last year, but Dylan Holloway has completely asserted himself into the core group and can play at the pace of Thomas and Kyrou.

We have similar player styles and roles that Chicago had before their dynasty started.
Toews and Thomas
Kane and Kyrou
Hossa and Buchnevich
Sharp and Holloway
Saad and Neighbours
Keith and Parayko
Seabrook and Faulk/Fowler
Hjalmarsson and Broberg
Crawford and Binnington

The core framework is there. What this team lacks is quality forward depth. We don't have that Byfuglien, Versteed, Shaw, Ladd, Bickell, Kopecky, Bolland, Brouwer, or Stalberg. Currently Sundqvist, Joseph, Torpo, Walker, and Faksa don't provide that level of support. However, next year and the year after, we can count on young Dvorsky, Snuggerud, Stancl, Pekarcik, Stenberg, etc to give them that.

 

[LetsGoBooze]

Rooting for the team to lose is weak. Unless you are getting a mcdavid the draft order doesnt matter that much. You also are rooting for our current players to be terrible which if they are, doesnt bode well for future since many will still be with team next year. How long have some bottom feeders been in rebuild mode. Just cant fathom rooting for that

Big difference in wanting a competitive tank and whatever this is you are spewing. Rooting to lose important games 4-3 has nothing to do with anyone being terrible. Its possible to lose games while the team is playing well and our youngsters are developing. No one is advocating for our team to be terrible, we just see how a few more games like the Pittsburgh game last week could be beneficial long term.

 

[joe galiba]

yeah, baby

 

[bleedblue1223]

Those who want to tank need to ask themselves a few questions.

1. Given that Kyrou and Thomas are already 25-26 years old and Buchnevich is 29, how long do you expect them to wait for that 2025 draft pick to develop before competing again? Two or three more years? Could they realistically stomach that after missing the playoffs last year and the year before, especially with how they are playing now?
2. From a forward standpoint, what other pieces are we missing in our core group that we don't already have in our prospect system? This was my question last year, but Dylan Holloway has completely asserted himself into the core group and can play at the pace of Thomas and Kyrou.

We have similar player styles and roles that Chicago had before their dynasty started.
Toews and Thomas
Kane and Kyrou
Hossa and Buchnevich
Sharp and Holloway
Saad and Neighbours
Keith and Parayko
Seabrook and Faulk/Fowler
Hjalmarsson and Broberg
Crawford and Binnington

The core framework is there. What this team lacks is quality forward depth. We don't have that Byfuglien, Versteed, Shaw, Ladd, Bickell, Kopecky, Bolland, Brouwer, or Stalberg. Currently Sundqvist, Joseph, Torpo, Walker, and Faksa don't provide that level of support. However, next year and the year after, we can count on young Dvorsky, Snuggerud, Stancl, Pekarcik, Stenberg, etc to give them that.

It's crazy to compare our core to that core. Toews, Kane, Hossa, and Keith are all clearly better than their "counterparts" on this list. It's also ignoring how someone like Seabrook was younger and in his prime, and Faulk/Fowler are near the end with it being unknown how many quality seasons they have left.

 

[BlueMed]

It's crazy to compare our core to that core. Toews, Kane, Hossa, and Keith are all clearly better than their "counterparts" on this list. It's also ignoring how someone like Seabrook was younger and in his prime, and Faulk/Fowler are near the end with it being unknown how many quality seasons they have left.

When you read the phrase "styles and roles," what did that mean to you? I tried really hard to make that clear by italicizing it, but apparently to some people: playing styles/roles, accolades, skill level, aura/reputation all mean the same thing...

 

[LetsGoBooze]

When you read the phrase "styles and roles," what did that mean to you? I tried really hard to make that clear by italicizing it, but apparently to some people: playing styles/roles, accolades, skill level, aura/reputation all mean the same thing...

I think it was more that you stated our biggest need/difference from the Chicago core was we needed "more forward depth."

The tank contingents are of the opposite thinking. We see a team that is lacking enough elite talent. It would be nice to add two more elite pieces to our core. Preferably one on the Dside and one on the Offensive forward side as well. Now if Dvorsky or Snuggy hit their absolute peak we might have one of those two covered. But that still leaves a huge hole on the D. The tankers are just hoping for one more top 15 dart throw that has a chance of being a difference maker down the road. Is it a guarantee, hell no, but it would be nice to have even more eggs in our basket.

 

[BlueMed]

I think it was more that you stated our biggest need/difference from the Chicago core was we needed "more forward depth."

The tank contingents are of the opposite thinking. We see a team that is lacking enough elite talent. It would be nice to add two more elite pieces to our core. Preferably one on the Dside and one on the Offensive forward side as well. Now if Dvorsky or Snuggy hit their absolute peak we might have one of those two covered. But that still leaves a huge hole on the D. The tankers are just hoping for one more top 15 dart throw that has a chance of being a difference maker down the road. Is it a guarantee, hell no, but it would be nice to have even more eggs in our basket.

Chicago had much more than talent. They had the right mixture of skill with a coaching style that optimized their strengths on top of an unwavering belief in themselves to win every game. That team did not have the best players at each position, which at the time included Crosby, Malkin, Datsyuk, Ovechkin, and so forth (Kane was debatable at his peak but not throughout the entire dynasty).

Looking at the NHL today, which players on Winnipeg would you say are head and shoulders more talented than the ones we have on the Blues right now?

 

[LetsGoBooze]

Chicago had much more than talent. They had the right mixture of skill with a coaching style that optimized their strengths on top of an unwavering belief in themselves to win every game. That team did not have the best players at each position, which at the time included Crosby, Malkin, Datsyuk, Ovechkin, and so forth (Kane was debatable at his peak but not throughout the entire dynasty).

Looking at the NHL today, which players on Winnipeg would you say are head and shoulders more talented than the ones we have on the Blues right now?

Love the core were building, just want to come out of the season with the best asset possible when it comes to draft capital.

The offseason current 2025 Blues with pick 14 > The offseason current 2025 Blues with pick 18.

There's no debating, pick 14 will always and forever hold more value than pick 18. Is it possible the player at 18 has a better career than the player selected at 14? Sure, its happened before, but i believe in our scouts or DA to maximize value at whatever spot we land at. And a few spots can make a big difference (Buium/Dickinson in 2024). Asset accumulation should still be a focus and a higher pick is just that.

 

[BlueMed]

Love the core were building, just want to come out of the season with the best asset possible when it comes to draft capital.

The offseason current 2025 Blues with pick 14 > The offseason current 2025 Blues with pick 18.

There's no debating, pick 14 will always and forever hold more value than pick 18. Could we get a similar or better player at 18? Sure, its happened before, but i believe in our scouts or DA to maximize value at whatever spot we land at. And a few spots can make a big difference (Buium/Dickinson in 2024). Asset accumulation should still be a focus and a higher pick is just that.

There's a few questionable things here.

1. Every draft is different but generally speaking, outside of the top 10, the talent starts to level off pretty significantly. Do you really believe that missing the playoffs this year is worth more than the difference between draft picks 14 and 18 in a weak draft class?
2. You mentioned before that this team lacks "elite talent." Are you really expecting that at pick 14 anyways?
3. We haven't even seen Buium/Dickinson in the NHL so I probably wouldn't use them as examples yet.
4. How does a 2025 draft pick fit into the current core of Thomas, Kyrou, Buchenich, Holloway, and Parayko who are ready to compete right now? What would this core even look like by the time our 2025 pick is ready in 3+ years? The reality is: these players DGAF about this year's pick and nor should they.

 

[LetsGoBooze]

The asset of pick 14 > The asset of pick 18.

Cant state it any more clear than that.

Do i expect a homerun, elite level player at 14? No, but it gives us a slightly better chance of landing a difference maker than at a playoff pick would.

And clearly all the players are playing their asses off and dont care where our pick lands, not sure why this needs to be mentioned.

Me rooting for a few more loses, will in no way effect the outcome of any game. But, competitive loses will bring me joy. Just trying to state my reasons for doing so. It wont make sense to most, but delayed gratification can sometimes work wonders.

The Buium/Dickinson examples were used cause teams a few spots in front of us were able to trade up. Shows a few spots can make a big difference. It has nothing to do with the exact players, just the opportunity that can be gained/lost by a few pick difference at the draft.

 

[BlueMed]

The asset of pick 14 > The asset of pick 18.

Cant state it any more clear than that.

Do i expect a homerun, elite level player at 14? No, but it gives us a slightly better chance of landing a difference maker than at a playoff pick would.

And clearly all the players are playing their asses off and dont care where our pick lands, not sure why this needs to be mentioned.

Me rooting for a few more loses, will in no way effect the outcome of any game. But, competitive loses will bring me joy. Just trying to state my reasons for doing so. It wont make sense to most, but delayed gratification can sometimes work wonders.

The Buium/Dickinson examples were used cause teams a few spots in front of us were able to trade up. Shows a few spots can make a big difference. It has nothing to do with the exact players, just the opportunity that can be gained/lost by a few pick difference at the draft.

To be clear here, I'm not necessarily anti-tank. In a different world where we are bottom 5 in points percentage with younger versions of Kyrou and Thomas combined with stagnant team dynamics and performance, then I can absolutely get behind the idea of rooting down. However, that's not where this Blues team is today. The common pattern I'm seeing amongst pro-tankers is a skewed perception of the relative magnitude between draft picks. I wont deny that pick 14 is more valuable than pick 18, but by how much? The difference between 1 and 5 is much larger than the difference between 14 and 18, for example. Also, the probability that pick 14 generates a player that this current roster simply does not have in 3 years is quite small. Here are all of the former 14th overall picks from 2001-2019. I see 1-2 players who had/have abilities above the ceilings of our current prospects. Given that probability, is a draft pick outside of the top 10 really worth more than the experience of playing competitive games and learning what it takes to find that extra gear in a playoff race or series?

2019	Cam York	DEFENSE	Philadelphia Flyers	169	15	45	60	68
2018	Joel Farabee	FORWARD	Philadelphia Flyers	334	82	100	182	195
2017	Cal Foote	DEFENSE	Tampa Bay Lightning	145	5	15	20	137
2016	Charlie McAvoy	DEFENSE	Boston Bruins	454	53	224	277	383
2015	Jake DeBrusk	FORWARD	Boston Bruins	465	138	128	266	101
2014	Julius Honka	DEFENSE	Dallas Stars	87	2	11	13	28
2013	Alexander Wennberg	FORWARD	Columbus Blue Jackets	712	91	244	335	155
2012	Zemgus Girgensons	FORWARD	Buffalo Sabres	688	89	99	188	192
2011	Jamie Oleksiak	DEFENSE	Dallas Stars	598	36	93	129	453
2010	Jaden Schwartz	FORWARD	St. Louis Blues	730	196	282	478	213
2009	Dmitri Kulikov	DEFENSE	Florida Panthers	948	46	18	234	591
2008	Zach Boychuk	FORWARD	Carolina Hurricanes	127	12	18	30	16
2007	Kevin Shattenkirk	DEFENSE	Colorado Avalanche	952	103	381	484	544
2006	Michael Grabner	FORWARD	Vancouver Canucks	640	175	101	276	110
2005	Sasha Pokulok	DEFENSE	Washington Capitals
2004	Devan Dubnyk	GOALIE	Edmonton Oilers	542	0	8	8	46
2003	Brent Seabrook	DEFENSE	Chicago Blackhawks	1114	103	361	464	661
2002	Chris Higgins	FORWARD	Montreal Canadiens	711	165	168	333	220
2001	Chuck Kobasew	FORWARD	Calgary Flames	601	110	100	210	394

 

[LetsGoBooze]

A higher pick gives lots of options:

1) Cheaper price to trade up
2) More value in a trade for a current roster player
3) Bigger pool of rookies to select "your guy"

I'll end my discussion with that. Endless data could be thrown at me proving that a 4-5 pick difference doesn't matter that much and it still wouldnt change my mind. Bottom line is i want the best asset going into the offseason, and that is the higher pick of missing the playoffs. I've weighed all the pros and cons and my mind isn't changing.

 

[Reality Czech]

Then the playoff contingent cannot complain about who is available to draft or our lack of elite talent ever again. Deal?

What a silly comparison lol. I can't imagine people would rather move up a couple of spots in the draft than have an exciting run to the playoffs but guess to each their own.

There is a time and a place for thinking about the long-term health of the franchise and wanting the team to bottom out. However, if you're still on the tank train when the Blues are playing their best hockey in years and are on track to make the playoffs then that is a little weird. It just feels like if you cannot advocate for your favorite team to win and make the playoffs when they are playing great hockey and have a great shot of making it, you are kinda missing the charm of being a fan.

I disagree with the notion that you have to be in the top 5-8 most likely teams to win the cup to justify not tanking and getting a good draft pick. The team is within reach of a playoff spot and is red hot going into April. They are not favorites but they have a legitimate shot to upset a team and make some noise. These are the moments that make being a fan fun. Not joining in on the run and cheering for the team to lose is likely just going to have you missing out on some of the joys of being a fan. And frankly the difference between picking 17th and 12th in this draft is not that meaningful.

Great post. It seems a lot of people have lost the charm of being a fan. You're supposed to enjoy sports in the moment and this should be an exciting time for all Blues fans. I wonder if fans used to think this way or if it's a more recent thing.

Another point is that this kind of chase builds a positive environment for our players. It's something to build on for next season whether we make the playoffs or not. If we had just tanked the rest of the season it would have had that opposite effect and then your start looking to make big moves that change the whole makeup of the team.

Maybe that's what some fans want but I personally would rather see this current group succeed instead of being a bottom feeder for a couple years. Guys like Broberg and Holloway would probably be more willing to extend with a team that looks competitive and you can attract better players as FA.

 

[Majorityof1]

What a silly comparison lol. I can't imagine people would rather move up a couple of spots in the draft than have an exciting run to the playoffs but guess to each their own.

Great post. It seems a lot of people have lost the charm of being a fan. You're supposed to enjoy sports in the moment and this should be an exciting time for all Blues fans. I wonder if fans used to think this way or if it's a more recent thing.

Watching better players is more exciting. Living in the moment at the expense of the future is something you should grow out of as a child. Do you spend your retirement savings to party now? Why have 1 "exciting" run at the playoffs where we are over matched when a true difference maker from the draft can provide 10+ years of more exciting playoffs by making the team better for years

Who sets the rules of what you are supposed to do as a fan? Are they written down so I can read them and make sure to align with the Reality Czech vision of fandom? Becuase that is of the utmost importance to me. Seriously, I really care, Also I hope we lose every game the rest of this season.

 

[BlueDream]

You can do what you want as a fan but the main thing that sticks out to me about the people wanting to tank, is that you’re really just wasting your time. The Blues have said over and over again they want to compete. Armstrong wants to make the playoffs, he doesn’t want more top 10 picks.

So constantly posting about how we need more top 10 picks isn’t accomplishing anything. The team isn’t going to make moves to appease you, so why not just accept that instead of constantly complaining about it? I just don’t really get what the end goal is. It’s like if I came on here and made a new trade proposal every day for McDavid. What’s the point?

 

[Majorityof1]

You can do what you want as a fan but the main thing that sticks out to me about the people wanting to tank, is that you’re really just wasting your time. The Blues have said over and over again they want to compete. Armstrong wants to make the playoffs, he doesn’t want more top 10 picks.

So constantly posting about how we need more top 10 picks isn’t accomplishing anything. The team isn’t going to make moves to appease you, so why not just accept that instead of constantly complaining about it? I just don’t really get what the end goal is. It’s like if I came on here and made a new trade proposal every day for McDavid. What’s the point?

Or inversely, you are wasting your time wanting them to win. Because regardless of what they say they want, they aren't good enough to win it all. And they said they wanted to win, but they didn't make moves to appease you either. Who did they bring in at the TDL to push for the playoffs?

Who is constantly complaining about it? For a while now, I have only mentioned it in response to posters constantly complaining about those who want to lose. I am merely defending my and others position. I have literally said numerous times that I don't expect the team to try to lose, I just wish they would.

What is anyone who posts here about anything accomplishing? What more did your post I am quoting accomplish than this post I am writing now? None of it will affect the team, unless you think you are like the magical poster with GDT powers that can will the team to victory.

If I thought we had a chance, I'd be all on board for winning. It's the middle ground I don't like, not being a competitive playoff team, but also not getting a good draft pick. I remember well all the years of good regular season teams that were not good enough in the playoffs.

 

[BlueDream]

Or inversely, you are wasting your time wanting them to win. Because regardless of what they say they want, they aren't good enough to win it all. And they said they wanted to win, but they didn't make moves to appease you either. Who did they bring in at the TDL to push for the playoffs?

Who is constantly complaining about it? For a while now, I have only mentioned it in response to posters constantly complaining about those who want to lose. I am merely defending my and others position. I have literally said numerous times that I don't expect the team to try to lose, I just wish they would.

What is anyone who posts here about anything accomplishing? What more did your post I am quoting accomplish than this post I am writing now? None of it will affect the team, unless you think you are like the magical poster with GDT powers that can will the team to victory.

If I thought we had a chance, I'd be all on board for winning. It's the middle ground I don't like, not being a competitive playoff team, but also not getting a good draft pick. I remember well all the years of good regular season teams that were not good enough in the playoffs.

Well they brought in Fowler. That was basically our deadline move, it just happened earlier in the season. Along with adding Broberg, Holloway, Suter and some bottom 6 depth in the offseason, they have been adding and trying to improve.

No posts “accomplish” anything but it’s similar to the Pietrangelo debate. That horse was beaten to death and now this is the new topic that I believe the same thing is happening to. We can go round and round in circles about how the team should bottom out and tank, but that’s just not going to happen. And it seems that people won’t recognize that.

Watching better players is more exciting. Living in the moment at the expense of the future is something you should grow out of as a child. Do you spend your retirement savings to party now? Why have 1 "exciting" run at the playoffs where we are over matched when a true difference maker from the draft can provide 10+ years of more exciting playoffs by making the team better for years

Well there needs to be a balance. If you’re saving literally all of your money just for retirement and not enjoying life in the present, you’re doing life wrong and I would feel really sorry for that person. Of course don’t blow all your money and be smart with it, but there can be room for both partying and retirement. Similar to how the Blues aren’t going all in, but we can still enjoy some playoff experience for our guys as we hope to continue building towards another Cup in the future. That doesn’t sound bad at all.