OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Post Draft - Still dont need no QB

[Empoleon8771]

Arthur Smith took an axe to Parham's heel to make sure they traded for Smith.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Is this the same OC that loves Patterson despite being completely ineffective anymore as a player? Why is the front office a slave to this man lol

Patterson was literally pointing out open wr to Fields and Fields missed them. Not sure Patterson makes the team after camp. He was decent as a depth rb with warren hurt

 

[xlm34]

Gabe Davis for a league minimum contract, Jonnu Smith for a late day 3 pick, and Aaron Rodgers eventually signing feels like a way to get to a “fine” offense depending on how the OL develops.

Anyway, I saw this and found it interesting;



It comes with not having a QB to pay and drafting poorly, but the Steelers have been one of the cheaper teams in the league for a while now.

 

[Coastal Kev]

Gabe Davis for a league minimum contract, Jonnu Smith for a late day 3 pick, and Aaron Rodgers eventually signing feels like a way to get to a “fine” offense depending on how the OL develops.

Anyway, I saw this and found it interesting;



It comes with not having a QB to pay and drafting poorly, but the Steelers have been one of the cheaper teams in the league for a while now.

I picture Rooney and Nutting sitting in a private club somewhere in Westmorland County.. laughing at the rubes still buying their grift.

 

[Peat]

Re Washington and passing game usage -

Darnell Washington Still 'Not Where I Want To Be' Despite Weight Loss

While Darnell Washington has dropped weight and gained agility, he told reporters yesterday that he isn’t quite done just yet. While he is a tight end, the Steelers have primarily used him as a blocker, almost an extra lineman. Entering his third season, he wants to change that, envisioning a...

steelersdepot.com

Darnell Washington: '100 Percent' Can Contribute More To Pass Game

Darnell Washington carries one of the most imposing figures in football. In a league full of massive humans, Washington still manages to stand out. While his impressive size at tight end is one of his greatest strengths, he’s yet to really break out as a pass catcher. Going into his third NFL...

steelersdepot.com

It'd probably be easier to find his video than put together a dozen SD articles, but the Steelers site is whinging around my ad blocker so I guess we're doing it this way and my takeaway from this is that one of the big takeaways from this is a big part of why Washington didn't do more in the passing game is his physical size, which looks to be at least partially created by his own youth lack of discipline in terms of preparing himself and his body.

Although I wouldn't be surprised if him and Jones both had encouragement from the staff to get heavy too.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Oh Rudy you dumbf*** disappointment.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Respectfully, this all spun out after you conflated two pretty simple, yet distinctly different words (traits vs instances). Then you started changing the argument to fit your paradigm - while not acknowledging that you were doing the same thing that you accused others of (recency bias of one trait or instance).

And who is providing any DSM-5 level diagnosis? It’s well within my purview to be able to assess someone’s personality or psychological traits based on their (public) actions or words. I have to do this for work as a manager all the time. Is the expectation that I subcontract that assessment out to a licensed psychologist or psychiatrist and prove it beyond a reasonable doubt to a court of law?! Horsefeathers, I say.

Yes, this is all my fault. A thousand apologies.

As I said before: you, the DA and no one else has hard evidence Ben committed any SA's. Nor do you have the right to extrapolate and suggest he's committed more SAs. These assertions are based on EMOTION and not FACTS.

And again, what FACTS do you have to make these claims? These women didn't even file civil suits (which have less evidentiary requirements vs a criminal case).

But as you know there have been no women who have ever tried to extort an athlete/celebrity after a consensual hookup
/s

And I'll leave it at this- if you have any FACTS that support your claim I'm all ears. But I read the police reports for both cases in full. Have you?

It seems like SA's are a sensitive topic for you and if you or anyone close have experienced that, it's shitty. But don't go around projecting that others have engaged in similar behavior when you don't appear to be well-versed in terms of the details; merely regurgitating what the MSM and trashy journalists say.

I evaluate situations on FACTS/EVIDENCE. Not emotions. And if you pull the veneer away from his celebrity status and this was Joe Blow from Nowhereville, Indiana you'd come to the same conclusion.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Yeah, count me among those that was never really blown away by Gabe Davis. That game we got our shit pushed in by Buffalo 38-3 in 2022 was his best career game.

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OMG this is pure gold.
Although I did love DHB for his outstanding ST's play. Dude was really good in that realm

 

[UnrealMachine]

Yes, this is all my fault. A thousand apologies.

As I said before: you, the DA and no one else has hard evidence Ben committed any SA's. Nor do you have the right to extrapolate and suggest he's committed more SAs. These assertions are based on EMOTION and not FACTS.

And again, what FACTS do you have to make these claims? These women didn't even file civil suits (which have less evidentiary requirements vs a criminal case).

But as you know there have been no women who have ever tried to extort an athlete/celebrity after a consensual hookup
/s

And I'll leave it at this- if you have any FACTS that support your claim I'm all ears. But I read the police reports for both cases in full. Have you?

It seems like SA's are a sensitive topic for you and if you or anyone close have experienced that, it's shitty. But don't go around projecting that others have engaged in similar behavior when you don't appear to be well-versed in terms of the details; merely regurgitating what the MSM and trashy journalists say.

I evaluate situations on FACTS/EVIDENCE. Not emotions. And if you pull the veneer away from his celebrity status and this was Joe Blow from Nowhereville, Indiana you'd come to the same conclusion.

Here are some FACTS for you to digest, although I’m surprised that you seemed to have missed them? The civil lawsuit filed in regards to the 1st sexual assault incident/trait was settled between both parties out of court. The 2nd sexual assault incident/trait did not result in charges brought by the DA, but the NFL found the actions abhorrent enough to suspend BR for 4 games. Bonus fact/accusation is that Stormy Daniels claimed that she was terrified once when BR tried to kiss her in 2006 (BR has admitted that he used to be addicted to both alcohol and pornography). Thanks for giving me the opportunity to vent my emotions here.

 

[mephisto1812]

Put me down for GP having a career year production wise.
He's going to do well methinks.

He likely will, and I do not care. He was always going to go elsewhere and pop off, he just needed to not be here anymore.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Gonna have to define career year because Amari Cooper went 68-865-8 in 2021 which is the best second-place Cowboy receiver since CeeDee Lamb became their top target. Those numbers track with GP's career thus far.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Here are some FACTS for you to digest, although I’m surprised that you seemed to have missed them? The civil lawsuit filed in regards to the 1st sexual assault incident/trait was settled between both parties out of court. The 2nd sexual assault incident/trait did not result in charges brought by the DA, but the NFL found the actions abhorrent enough to suspend BR for 4 games. Bonus fact/accusation is that Stormy Daniels claimed that she was terrified once when BR tried to kiss her in 2006 (BR has admitted that he used to be addicted to both alcohol and pornography). Thanks for giving me the opportunity to vent my emotions here.

I'll address this point by point:

- Civil lawsuit = yup it was settled OUT OF COURT. Which means it didn't make it to the pre-trial stage. If the alleged victim was certain it happened, then why didn't she pursue it civilly and take this deal? Surely if this occurred, she'd prevail. She only needs a jury to believe that it more than likely happened...a 51% likelihood which isn't a large hurdle to clear. Civil lawsuits are way easier to prevail for plaintiffs. In these situations (settling out of court) both parties make a business decision that it's going to cost more in attorney's fees and/or bad publicity vs going to trial. A condition of that agreement is that Ben didn't admit to wrongdoing and the plaintiff signed it. Are you saying you have more facts than the accuser to present and she signed it in bad faith?

- Seems you are appealing to the authority of the NFL to determine "guilt"? This is the same NFL that kept the following public scandals under wraps until they were got the veil lifted:
a) Ray Rice tape b) Deflategate c) Pats cheating scandal d) concussion deniability. I could go on but you get the picture. This isn't much different than the NHL's DOPS...it's a joke and a farce.

Furthermore, the NFL doesn't have the same judiciary process as it's a private investigation. It's no different from the workplace investigations I conduct. There's no "you have a right to face your accuser" or any procedural standards to adhere to.

Below is a historical list of suspensions from the NFL (on and off field). Note that in all cases EXCEPT for Ben's, there were witnesses, facts, video or hard evidence to back up these punishments. Not sure how anyone can look at Ben's case as anything but an anomaly from that standpoint. To add to this, Ben's official punishment was 6 games and he would get 2 knocked off for "good behavior. Another anomaly as that condition was never applied previously (and to my knowledge never again since 15 years later). That doesn't strike you as odd?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_suspensions_in_the_NFL

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

If you're willing to entertain the notion that women might file false claims of sexual harassment/assault against famous men as a money grab but not entertain the notion that there might be loads of actual sexual assaults that have never been reported out of fear of any number of possible outcomes, not the least of which is that DAs won't bring charges, then you can't be taken seriously on this topic.

 

[xlm34]

Ben was just a piece of shit human being who happened to be very good at throwing a football.

 

[Peat]

Gonna have to define career year because Amari Cooper went 68-865-8 in 2021 which is the best second-place Cowboy receiver since CeeDee Lamb became their top target. Those numbers track with GP's career thus far.

Good spot.

Just riffing on this looking at the maths -

I'd think it's pretty unlikely he's going to beat his career yardage because he made that while leading the NFL in yards per reception. Just to equal that 1140 yards at his normal 15.4 yards per reception (still top 10 in the NFL, still a huge number), he'd need 11 more receptions which at his career catch rate of 59% is 19 more targets. 19 more targets on that season puts him at 125 targets.

Can he get 125 targets in Dallas? Maybe, but the last three seasons, the Cowboys have had on average 206 targets for WRs not named Lamb. Getting 60% of that seems tough, even if Tolbert/Turpin et al are hardly amazing players. If the Cowboys give Pickens 125 targets and Lamb his usual 160-odd average, that's probably more targets going to 2 WRs than has happened in the NFL in the last three years (i.e. I checked Tampa and the Bengals and they didn't beat it, so i can't imagine anyone else did).

It's also got to be noted that out of the 60-odd players who got 125 targets in the last three seasons, only three of them have more Y/R than Pickens' 15.4 mark. Good rule of thumb is more targets means more intermediate and short routes and the Y/R drops, so he'd need even more targets to make it up and basically, TLDR, Pickens is not beating his career yardage total in Dallas barring a freak season or Lamb's role getting reduced big time which probably doesn't happen outside of injury.

Where Pickens can very easily beat his career high though is touchdowns. His high is 5. Dallas' WR2 has beaten that mark in 3 of the last 4 seasons. Obviously new OC there so things could change (all of it could, but a lot of it's just common sense given personnel), but if Pickens fails to beat 5, that'd be a bit of an oops.

Pickens is gonna have a good season unless he goes mental or gets injured but right now it seems like Pickens will probably get about 1000 yards and 6-7 TDs. And that's a bit below his career year for yardage and a bit above for TDs. He's probably not going to significantly eclipse that unless he finds a spot as undisputed WR1 with a good QB.

 

[WickedWrister]

 

[John Price]

Have fun with that rodeo. Gonna be a media circus all season.

Wonder how long the contract is too.

 

[WickedWrister]

Mandatory minicamp deadline always made the most sense to me

 

[WickedWrister]

Wonder how long the contract is too.

Rapsheet saying a 1 year deal

 

[Snooki Stackhouse]

Good. I don't care about Rodgers' personality, I think he's still a good QB, it doesn't impede their ability to find their future QB next year, and I've been bored to tears watching this offense for so long now I'm craving barely competent QB play. I'm annoyed he dragged this out just to skip activities that were voluntary anyway, but I'm excited to see how it goes.

 

[xlm34]

Gimme all the drama this year.

 

[Booker T]

Rodgers is still a very good QB. Good pickup for the Steelers. Now just get him another receiver.

 

[Peat]

No idea how much juice he has left, no idea how much drama he'll bring, so in short...

I guess whatever happens tho, this season probably got more entertaining either way

 

[Pens x]

Rodgers > Rudolph

Get him a f***ing WR

 

[T1K]

Rodgers is still a very good QB. Good pickup for the Steelers. Now just get him another receiver.

Ehh better than what we had but he’s pretty much replacement level at best.