OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Post Draft - Still dont need no QB

Then trade him at the draft and draft a wr.

Thats what I would have done if I was in charge.

They errored in assessing the situation ( again). Thinking they could low ball him and not have to pay him close to what they gave DK.

but put yourself in Pickens shoes.
Going into the last year of your rookie contract, a year where you want to have great stats so you can turn that into a big contract.
Would you really want to stay with this offensive mess of a team ? As the #2 option at WR ???
 
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I don't get if the plan was to go all in one final year with Rogers then blowing it up in a quest for a quarterback, that they got rid of Pickens.

Having a WR with something to prove in a contract year, even a moody one, is worth more than a random third round pick.

It is the Pens all over again. Not good enough to win, but not bad enough to get what they need to win.

What it means is more of that limit mistakes support the defense "offense" that is the worst thing an offense can be. Boring.

If I am going to watch the Steelers not win anything at least don't bore me to death.
 
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Thats what I would have done if I was in charge.

They errored in assessing the situation ( again). Thinking they could low ball him and not have to pay him close to what they gave DK.

but put yourself in Pickens shoes.
Going into the last year of your rookie contract, a year where you want to have great stats so you can turn that into a big contract.
Would you really want to stay with this offensive mess of a team ? As the #2 option at WR ???
He is still an option 2 in Dallas the difference is they have a 60 million dollar Qb and will throw it more often than us. Lamb will operate strictly out of the slot and GP will have the X all to himself. Yes GP was going to want Higgins money and you need multiple players on offense to threaten the defense. We have went no where a year later. Dk is not a wr 1 he is a high end wr 2
 
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I don't get if the plan was to go all in one final year with Rogers then blowing it up in a quest for a quarterback, that they got rid of Pickens.

Having a WR with something to prove in a contract year, even a moody one, is worth more than a random third round pick.

It is the Pens all over again. Not good enough to win, but not bad enough to get what they need to win.

What it means is more of that limit mistakes support the defense "offense" that is the worst thing an offense can be. Boring.

If I am going to watch the Steelers not win anything at least don't bore me to death.

You've just got adapt your mindset. You're not tuning in to watch good football, you're tuning in to watch a circus. How many ways can a team blow a third down? Only the Steelers can show you!


But I am gonna keep pounding the table for this being about getting what the Steelers need to win. Pickens is now a guaranteed asset in the draft they're targeting a QB in. There is a definite direction of travel here.
 
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You've just got adapt your mindset. You're not tuning in to watch good football, you're tuning in to watch a circus. How many ways can a team blow a third down? Only the Steelers can show you!


But I am gonna keep pounding the table for this being about getting what the Steelers need to win. Pickens is now a guaranteed asset in the draft they're targeting a QB in. There is a definite direction of travel here.

From a pure entertainment perspective, we were robbed of Aaron Rodgers interacting with Pickens and Metcalf.
 
Man the number of Steelers fans talking themselves into Will Howard is…something.

(I know you’re joking)
Yinz dahnt understand. He’s on a mission to prove everyone who’s ever doubted him wrong. Has a chip on his shoulder. Gruden called him Josh Allen! Guaranteed success now.
 
From a pure entertainment perspective, we were robbed of Aaron Rodgers interacting with Pickens and Metcalf.

For sure. For crashout fans, this is a tragedy. It could have been a season for the ages.

Still, I enjoy the traditional comedy approach of the average Steelers in season game. A group of seemingly completely unqualified idiots screw up again and again until suddenly they miraculously pull off the big win at the last moment. I know it's not as cool as a good old crashout, but I still enjoy it. They're a real life Will Ferrell film.
 
For sure. For crashout fans, this is a tragedy. It could have been a season for the ages.

Still, I enjoy the traditional comedy approach of the average Steelers in season game. A group of seemingly completely unqualified idiots screw up again and again until suddenly they miraculously pull off the big win at the last moment. I know it's not as cool as a good old crashout, but I still enjoy it. They're a real life Will Ferrell film.
About when Ben ripped up his elbow I used to enjoy the Steelers Will Ferrell movies. Finally zero real pressure or stress watching and these idiots were ripe for entertainment.

but I’m starting to feel trapped in a time loop. No hopes of escape.
 
About when Ben ripped up his elbow I used to enjoy the Steelers Will Ferrell movies. Finally zero real pressure or stress watching and these idiots were ripe for entertainment.

but I’m starting to feel trapped in a time loop. No hopes of escape.
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Well here's to next draft. They've got a lot of chips in the pot to change it. That's their moment. Fingers crossed.


Also, on another note, next time Khan gushes about how great a Steeler player is without saying "there will be a new deal", I'm going to put money on the guy leaving.
 
Well here's to next draft. They've got a lot of chips in the pot to change it. That's their moment. Fingers crossed.


Also, on another note, next time Khan gushes about how great a Steeler player is without saying "there will be a new deal", I'm going to put money on the guy leaving.
Definitely need to hope/pray this class is legit

Because it’s not gonna be fun if Jan/Feb rolls around and people are saying things like “rough year for QBs” “this class didn’t live up to expectations” “the 2027 QB class is better”
 
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Definitely need to hope/pray this class is legit

Because it’s not gonna be fun if Jan/Feb rolls around and people are saying things like “rough year for QBs” “this class didn’t live up to expectations” “the 2027 QB class is better”

Ayup.

Hell... even an average class might screw them. A lot of the teams forecast to land in the top 10 aren't married to their QB.

But I guess even if that happens, there's a lot of draft ammo to really improve the rest of the team. Lot of cap space too, even if/when they do sign Watt.
 
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Ayup.

Hell... even an average class might screw them. A lot of the teams forecast to land in the top 10 aren't married to their QB.

But I guess even if that happens, there's a lot of draft ammo to really improve the rest of the team. Lot of cap space too, even if/when they do sign Watt.

Came across a chart online somewhere.
It highlighted who is/could be in the running for one. Obviously without any type of injuries

There were like 7 teams. One of them being the rams who I think if they do as well as l last year, won’t draft a successor to stafford but try to go all in again to win it in his few remaining years.

Jets. I think with Glenn at head coach, their D gets them a few more wins than expected.
Pitt
Vegas ( Milroe?)
browns (SS?)
Indy ( Richardson?)
Saints ( slough? 2nd Rndr this year)

Not too many right now that would be looking for a qb at the top of the draft. And we might be just as bad as some of those teams so wouldn’t have to trade up so much.
 
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Also just re all of the stuff about if they're building, why not tank...

3 out of the 4 semi-finalists last year found their guy without tanking.

A lot of the teams that tank ruin their guy because they ask him to carry too much.

I just don't agree with the idea that a team looking to rebuild needs to sell hard and creating a bad roster that's definitely going to pick high. It'll be great if the team has a down season, but I am okay with them not trading Watt and Heyward to do it.

You're not wrong that teams theoretically don't need to tank in order to draft a promising talent, the hurdle the Steelers are currently facing is the assets they plan on using to trade up in next year's draft to hopefully draft one of the top talents of the class, are currently inferior to the assets available to at least the Browns and Rams, who will also be looking at next year's QB class. So at this moment, trading up isn't looking to be the one size fits all solution some believe it to be.

Where I would disagree is the level of talent needed to likely compete in the future, and where that talent is likely to be taken going forward.

A lot has already changed regarding how the league views the QB position and the inherent talent and thus perceived ceiling that needs to be present to likely succeed as franchise quality players since the majority of last year's semi-finalists you mentioned were drafted. I think it's pretty obvious going forward that:
  • The next Lamar level talent with his legs and arm is not dropping to the the last pick of the first round anymore.
  • The next Allen like frame and arm, regardless of accuracy concerns, will be a top 5 pick if not top 3 based on measurables alone, the potential ceiling will be worth it.
  • The next Mahomes the same.
  • Daniels is already an example of the new breed of talent that teams are looking for.
You're right when it comes to Hurts, who needed development after being drafted, but that was within the Eagles organization, something proven to be not so easily replicated. Is anyone confident Tomlin would've been as succesfful developing Hurts into what he's become? Because that's what it would take if going that route.

Talents with high ceiling potential no longer drop past the top of drafts like they used to. In order to compete with the regulars atop the standings nowadays, you need top tier QB play. At least when considering the AFC, with the likes of Mahomes dominating the AFC championship games like Brady did before him, and the likes of Lamar, Allen, and Burrow not going anywhere anytime soon.

This is why Sanders falling in the draft shouldn't have been a surprise. While he likely doesn't fall as far as he did if not for the circus around him, I still doubt he'dve gone in the first in a normal circumstance, and certainly not top 5 like projected. He has no singular outstanding physical talent, he's accurate for the college game, that's about it. He isn't tall, he isn't fast, doesn't have a cannon arm, etc. In ortherwords, he has a high floor and low ceiling toolset wise, and that's not the type of talent that's going to be beating Mahomes, Lamar, Allen, etc. in the playoffs anytime soon.

If I'm proven wrong, and the Steelers develop their next franchise QB outside the top 5-7 picks, so be it, I'll be glad. But the trend I'm seeing makes me severely doubt it, and thus if they're to find their next franchise QB, I'm confident it'll need to be in the top range of picks in said draft, and they aren't likely to get there at the moment by simply trading up from their usual draft position.
 
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Man the number of Steelers fans talking themselves into Will Howard is…something.

(I know you’re joking)
Pens finally firing Sullivan now lets me shift back to the Pens while the Steelers keep spiralling down the shitter for dumb f*** choices because Tomlin and Khan are about as brilliant as Harry and Lloyd from Dumb and Dumber.
 
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You're not wrong that teams theoretically don't need to tank in order to draft a promising talent, the hurdle the Steelers are currently facing is the assets they plan on using to trade up in next year's draft to hopefully draft one of the top talents of the class, are currently inferior to the assets available to at least the Browns and Rams, who will also be looking at next year's QB class. So at this moment, trading up isn't looking to be the one size fits all solution some believe it to be.

Where I would disagree is the level of talent needed to likely compete in the future, and where that talent is likely to be taken going forward.

A lot has already changed regarding how the league views the QB position and the inherent talent and thus perceived ceiling that needs to be present to likely succeed as franchise quality players since the majority of last year's semi-finalists you mentioned were drafted. I think it's pretty obvious going forward that:
  • The next Lamar level talent with his legs and arm is not dropping to the the last pick of the first round anymore.
  • The next Allen like frame and arm, regardless of accuracy concerns, will be a top 5 pick if not top 3 based on measurables alone, the potential ceiling will be worth it.
  • The next Mahomes the same.
  • Daniels is already an example of the new breed of talent that teams are looking for.
You're right when it comes to Hurts, who needed development after being drafted, but that was within the Eagles organization, something proven to be not so easily replicated. Is anyone confident Tomlin would've been as succesfful developing Hurts into what he's become? Because that's what it would take if going that route.

Talents with high ceiling potential no longer drop past the top of drafts like they used to. In order to compete with the regulars atop the standings nowadays, you need top tier QB play. At least when considering the AFC, with the likes of Mahomes dominating the AFC championship games like Brady did before him, and the likes of Lamar, Allen, and Burrow not going anywhere anytime soon.

This is why Sanders falling in the draft shouldn't have been a surprise. While he likely doesn't fall as far as he did if not for the circus around him, I still doubt he'dve gone in the first in a normal circumstance, and certainly not top 5 like projected. He has no singular outstanding physical talent, he's accurate for the college game, that's about it. He isn't tall, he isn't fast, doesn't have a cannon arm, etc. In ortherwords, he has a high floor and low ceiling toolset wise, and that's not the type of talent that's going to be beating Mahomes, Lamar, Allen, etc. in the playoffs anytime soon.

If I'm proven wrong, and the Steelers develop their next franchise QB outside the top 5-7 picks, so be it, I'll be glad. But the trend I'm seeing makes me severely doubt it, and thus if they're to find their next franchise QB, I'm confident it'll need to be in the top range of picks in said draft, and they aren't likely to get there at the moment by simply trading up from their usual draft position.
I think the calculus changes a lot (in our favor) if we finish with like a top 12ish pick. We absolutely have the ammunition to trade up and get one of the top QB's at that point, although it would require giving up at least one future 1st round pick, if not more.

I think the 2021 class is pretty relevant in this discussion. It's post-Mahomes, Lamar, Allen and there were 5 QB's taken in the top 15, including two trade ups. The 49ers moved from 12 to 3 and the Bears from 20 to 11 to get their guys. It just depends on how much you're willing to overpay.
 
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I'm not expecting them to do this, but I wouldn't rule out them actually trading for another WR before the season starts. I know Green Bay sticks out as having an abundance of decent #2/3 WRs and just drafted Golden in round 1. Green Bay still has all of Reed, Watson, Doubs and Wicks on the team, those 4 plus Golden seems like more WRs than they need.

Watson and Doubs are both free agents after next year, so I think throwing a 4th/5th for one of them would make sense to fill the hole Pickens just left. Watson is the guy I like more but Doubs seems like the guy who is more achievable.
 
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I am so excited about this because they finally have a plan to go for a QB and they are collecting picks.

Tank, tank hard. Hopefully this means that they know Rodgers isn't coming. Though there are some decent WRs still out there. They could sign one of those guys as well. Gabe Davis was just released as well.

Round 4 or 5. Wilson couldn’t beat man press in college he isn’t going to in the nfl. He is a slot only wr dime a dozen
Totally disagree with this assessment. Last years WR class was far superior to this year's class. Wilson would have been a high/mid 2nd.
 

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