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OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Post Draft - Still dont need no QB

xlm34 said:
Trading Watt makes sense, but the thing with that is with the way the cap rules are you have to give that money to someone. If you don’t pay him 40 million, you gotta make some bigger trades or hand out some absurd free agent contracts.
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Which rule are you referring to? Isn’t the cap floor based off a 4 year period?
 
T1K said:
Which rule are you referring to? Isn’t the cap floor based off a 4 year period?
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Yeah for a 3 year period you have spend in cash at least 90% of the available cap in aggregate. Last year was year one of the new cycle and the Steelers were reportedly at 90%. This year I’m pretty sure they’re operating at under that 90%. So they’re gonna have to spend some cash over the next year and a half or whatever to get compliant.

I’m not really sure how dead cap and trading players factors in.

Edit: Maybe it is four. In which case, they’ve got some time to make it up.
 
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lastcupever75 said:
Board expert strikes again. lol

As I said weeks ago, they’ve never paid 2 WRs top money.
Even when they had a franchise QB for close to 2 decades.
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Yeah why would we try to keep up with the jones and have a 2020s offense. Khan talked about playmakers and wanting to add them and drafted 0 wr or te.
 
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Shaftception said:
This is my one worry with them seemingly stockpiling picks for next year, well actually it's two worries:
  1. They have stiff competition for the top QB's next year, whoever said QB's may be. Competition who will with all likelyhood be worse teams and thus higher in the draft to begin with than the Steelers will be, and who have more and better quality assets ready to trade up with than what the Steelers have.

    The chances of them trading up for either of the perceived top 2 QB's is close to none as they won't be bad enough to naturally have one of the top picks, and their competition have the assets to out bid them in a trade-up scenario would the top 2 perceived talents of the class prove worth trading up for.

    I'm not exactly excited to come out of the draft that the team is clearly finally preparing to take their QB of the future in, with the 3rd or worse QB of the class. They should've prepared better for that if that's been their plan all along, but they're clearly half-assing this rebuild.

  2. I don't want to be looking back a decade from now wishing the year they finally prepared to draft a QB wasn't the year prior to a class they had a better chance at getting the top QB's out of if only they'd wait another year with more accumulated assets to trade-up with, and hopefully less competition for said QB's, especially if they actually decided to tank for once.

    Basically, I hope next year doesn't turn into the draft class prior to the Manning/Rivers/Ben draft, with the Steelers pushing all their chips in a year too early because they were desperate and mistimed when they'd take a shot.

    Yes there's no guarantee next year QB class will be worse than the years after, but I'd be far more confident in their chances at getting a franchise QB next year, if they weren't nearly guaranteed due to the circumstances I laid out above to be picking from the scraps of the top of the class than the best available options.
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That’s not how tomlin plan works.
His out dated philosophy thinks he can win with a top defense and a QB who can manage the game. Someone who can make the throws to keep the chains moving.

That’s been the case since Ben blew out his elbow.
That’s why they traded a future 1st rounder for Fitz, to round out the defense before even knowing the extent of his injury.
A draft that included burrows, tua, Herbert and hurts.

Thinking Ben, even with a weaker blown out arm, can make the short throws to get first downs.
It’s the Same reason they signed trubisky, Wilson and drafted Pickett in the first.
 
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A third and a fifth in exchange for Pickens and a sixth is just horrendous asset management.

I get his reputation dampens his value but I also get the sense that his attitude issues won't be as big of an issue with Dax Prescott being a good qb playing in an offense that isn't stuck in the 3 yards and a cloud of dust era of football.

There have been a lot of diva wide receivers in football history and generally getting them the damn football is the best medicine.
 
NewAgeOutlaw said:
A third and a fifth in exchange for Pickens and a sixth is just horrendous asset management.

I get his reputation dampens his value but I also get the sense that his attitude issues won't be as big of an issue with Dax Prescott being a good qb playing in an offense that isn't stuck in the 3 yards and a cloud of dust era of football.

There have been a lot of diva wide receivers in football history and generally getting them the damn football is the best medicine.
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The best part of this trade was the asset management aspect.
 
... well that woke up Steelers Nation.

Lot to work through, but looking forward to seeing no more insistence that the team loves Pickens and it's all the media blowing things up and there's no trade and all that.

Because that blew my mind.

I also think the price tells you what the rest of the football world thinks of the likelihood of Pickens straightening his head out. People can go on about the Steelers' offence but there's a lot of WRs stuck in non-pass friendly offences every year and virtually none of them go as mad as Pickens. The good ones still keep producing too rather than having 3 TD seasons.


Anyway. Here's to a fun 2026 draft!
 
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Peat said:
... well that woke up Steelers Nation.

Lot to work through, but looking forward to seeing no more insistence that the team loves Pickens and it's all the media blowing things up and there's no trade and all that.

Because that blew my mind.

I also think the price tells you what the rest of the football world thinks of the likelihood of Pickens straightening his head out. People can go on about the Steelers' offence but there's a lot of WRs stuck in non-pass friendly offences every year and virtually none of them go as mad as Pickens. The good ones still keep producing too rather than having 3 TD seasons.


Anyway. Here's to a fun 2026 draft!
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Teams smell the Steelers desperation Khan paid a 2nd for Dk and handed him 30 million a year. I can’t believe the pats didn’t get in on this
 
I mean it's good if Wilson looks good, but Wilson is still more of an Austin replacement than anything. If they want to actually trade for a WR (which I'm doubting tbh), they need to bring in someone that complements Metcalf.

So yeah, count me as skeptical they add anyone else. This is going to be the 2024 off-season all over again, they'll be linked to names but nothing will ever materialize.
 
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TooManyHumans said:
So our WR room is essentially what it was last year only we are paying a lot more for it and turned this year's 2nd round pick into a 3rd next year. I don't see the point. If they are going this route then they shouldn't have bothered trading for DK or pursuing Rodgers, they should have traded Watt and Minkah, and they should have drafted some WRs. I don't mind planning for the future at all but this half-assed approach makes no sense.
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They don’t value WR2 that highly. Never did.

They’ll pay WR1 top money and have WR2 on a rookie contract.
this team started the likes of Marcus Wheaton and Sammy coats at WR2 with a franchise QB under center.

They got lucky with a 4th Rnder in Bryant for a while till he smoked himself out of the league. drafted juju ( a #2 type) to play robin to ABs Batman.
 
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NewAgeOutlaw said:
A third and a fifth in exchange for Pickens and a sixth is just horrendous asset management.

I get his reputation dampens his value but I also get the sense that his attitude issues won't be as big of an issue with Dax Prescott being a good qb playing in an offense that isn't stuck in the 3 yards and a cloud of dust era of football.

There have been a lot of diva wide receivers in football history and generally getting them the damn football is the best medicine.
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This whole “ we want volunteers not hostages” BS has cost them a lot in assets
 
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lastcupever75 said:
They don’t value WR2 that highly. Never did.

They’ll pay WR1 top money and have WR2 on a rookie contract.
this team started the likes of Marcus Wheaton and Sammy coats at WR2 with a franchise QB under center.

They got lucky with a 4th Rnder in Bryant for a while till he smoked himself out of the league. drafted juju ( a #2 type) to play robin to ABs Batman.
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Then trade him at the draft and draft a wr.
 
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Also just re all of the stuff about if they're building, why not tank...

3 out of the 4 semi-finalists last year found their guy without tanking.

A lot of the teams that tank ruin their guy because they ask him to carry too much.

I just don't agree with the idea that a team looking to rebuild needs to sell hard and creating a bad roster that's definitely going to pick high. It'll be great if the team has a down season, but I am okay with them not trading Watt and Heyward to do it.
 
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Taking a chance on Wilson immediately becoming WR2 is extremely boneheaded. Teams will just double cover DK and not really worry about anyone else. Would’ve waited until after the season and see if Wilson is that good, before trading Pickens. Oh well, not very optimistic and feel like this will be our first losing season in a while.
 
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