OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Post Draft - Still dont need no QB

[bigdaddyk88]

I find it very hard to believe that the Steelers would give a playbook to someone who is not on the team.

Terminology might be different but the core of the offense is fairly simple. Last season with JF they used a basic passing offense

 

[The Old Master]

I find it very hard to believe that the Steelers would give a playbook to someone who is not on the team.

this is the same team that......
1.waited for ever on a wr
2.is waiting on a qb
3.still has mt as coach
and you find it hard to believe?

 

[Peat]

We don't have a QB and people are tired of the head coach, but otherwise I think the team as a whole is likeable enough. Rudolph is a guy who is pretty easy to root for given how his career has gone and how he has handled it all without complaint but just continuing to work hard.

When I talk about finding the team dislikeable, I'm mainly talking about the decision makers' overly defensive, head in the sand public announcements. I am aware there's no profit in them advertising their problems but even so, they take it further than they need to and it sounds like they're trying to pretend everything is great

The players themselves... eh, no real strong feelings about most of them. Not a whole lot of high end performers or high end personalities, and Cam's podcast is more of the defensiveness that gets on my nerves.

But, that said, ironically, and not totally fairly, Rudolph annoys me simply because of the fan club he's acquired just for being a back-up QB doing back-up QB things. I look forwards to the constant hype turning Howard into an annoying guy too.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

Steelers' Mike Tomlin Seriously May Have Held Arthur Smith Back More Than Anyone Expected​

Steelers' Mike Tomlin Seriously May Have Held Arthur Smith Back More Than Anyone Expected

The Pittsburgh Steelers had their first season with Offensive Coordinator Arthur Smith in 2024. Early on, the offense showed signs of improvement, and there were stretches when fan

www.steelernation.com

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Steelers' Mike Tomlin Seriously May Have Held Arthur Smith Back More Than Anyone Expected

The Pittsburgh Steelers had their first season with Offensive Coordinator Arthur Smith in 2024. Early on, the offense showed signs of improvement, and there were stretches when fan

www.steelernation.com

I would say it was personnel that held the offense back but yes it was clear they ran 2 offenses with 2 different qb. It was clear Najaee wasn’t a fit for the outside zone and they had tendency issues based on who was on the field.
Smith wants to use under center play action attacking the mof off play action. RW was to short to see the mof and fields can’t process defenses and struggles taking snaps out of center.

 

[pistolpete11]

Steelers' Mike Tomlin Seriously May Have Held Arthur Smith Back More Than Anyone Expected

The Pittsburgh Steelers had their first season with Offensive Coordinator Arthur Smith in 2024. Early on, the offense showed signs of improvement, and there were stretches when fan

www.steelernation.com

What. No way. I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you.

 

[xlm34]

That’s a very classic SteelersNation article where the clickbait headline has nothing to do with the quote in the article.

The quote was from Kaboly which basically implies that the personnel available to Smith prevented him from running the stuff he wants. Which…yeah. If Russell Wilson is your QB, your passing game is gonna be Russ Ball. And your running backs weren’t good at running outside zone.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Tuesday, June 10th

I think it's interesting that AR can't make a decision on his football future due to "Grief", but he sure has time to make his rounds in the media and do podcasts with McAfee all the time.
He's a drama and diva.

Something you'll never heard any talking head point out because it would diminish the accomplishments of Mediocre MIke, and we can't have that, is that the current dysfunction of this offense (and team, frankly) since he's left isn't new.

It was all just masked by having a generational talent at QB who will never get his due respect because he spent his career playing for a neanderthal defensive minded head coach who never had the foresight to put his ego aside and hire a real offensive mind to lead his offense. Ben was never going to put up MVP numbers for Mike Tomlin, and Ben to his credit or maybe to his detriment, accepted this for the sake of winning games. He may have been misguided, but he genuinely put his faith in the franchise around him to build a competitive roster he could win with.

For all the attacks on Ben's character over the years, the guy was all about winning. Didn't care if it was pretty or ugly (don't go there). He didn't care if he threw 6 TD's or 0. He was fine f***ing around for three quarters with shitty offensive gameplans if he could pull it out in the 4th (something that Rodgers has never excelled at, by the way).

Aaron Rodgers is not about just winning no matter what. He has convinced himself that Tomlin is someone he isn't, and Tomlin's ego is so large that he thinks he can "handle" Rodgers ego. The two are on a collision course if he signs and it's going to be funny as f*** to watch.

Tomlin thinks that because he managed a "diva" like Ben that he can handle Rodgers. The two of these guys are nothing alike.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

I think it's interesting that AR can't make a decision on his football future due to "Grief", but he sure has time to make his rounds in the media and do podcasts with McAfee all the time.
He's a drama and diva.

Something you'll never heard any talking head point out because it would diminish the accomplishments of Mediocre MIke, and we can't have that, is that the current dysfunction of this offense (and team, frankly) since he's left isn't new.

It was all just masked by having a generational talent at QB who will never get his due respect because he spent his career playing for a neanderthal defensive minded head coach who never had the foresight to put his ego aside and hire a real offensive mind to lead his offense. Ben was never going to put up MVP numbers for Mike Tomlin, and Ben to his credit or maybe to his detriment, accepted this for the sake of winning games. He may have been misguided, but he genuinely put his faith in the franchise around him to build a competitive roster he could win with.

For all the attacks on Ben's character over the years, the guy was all about winning. Didn't care if it was pretty or ugly (don't go there). He didn't care if he threw 6 TD's or 0. He was fine f***ing around for three quarters with shitty offensive gameplans if he could pull it out in the 4th (something that Rodgers has never excelled at, by the way).

Aaron Rodgers is not about just winning no matter what. He has convinced himself that Tomlin is someone he isn't, and Tomlin's ego is so large that he thinks he can "handle" Rodgers ego. The two are on a collision course if he signs and it's going to be funny as f*** to watch.

Tomlin thinks that because he managed a "diva" like Ben that he can handle Rodgers. The two of these guys are nothing alike.

Yes one guy says weird political stuff and the other had actual off the field issues. Ben wasn’t all about winning and nothing else either.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

When I talk about finding the team dislikeable, I'm mainly talking about the decision makers' overly defensive, head in the sand public announcements. I am aware there's no profit in them advertising their problems but even so, they take it further than they need to and it sounds like they're trying to pretend everything is great

The players themselves... eh, no real strong feelings about most of them. Not a whole lot of high end performers or high end personalities, and Cam's podcast is more of the defensiveness that gets on my nerves.

But, that said, ironically, and not totally fairly, Rudolph annoys me simply because of the fan club he's acquired just for being a back-up QB doing back-up QB things. I look forwards to the constant hype turning Howard into an annoying guy too.

Just truly an unlikeable team that is easy to root against.

Cam carries himself like he's some living legend. Newsflash Cam: you can drag out your career until you're 45 and you still won't be a HOF player. It's obvious he's just trying to go for the longevity + attempting to stay relevant through media angle. James Harrison gave us more from '07-'10 than Cam would give us in three careers.

The vets on this team deserve nothing. If anything, by their own undeserved hubris and lack of humility, they deserve to finish their careers in irrelevant, meaningless failure.

Hopefully this year is a complete and utter disaster. It needs to be loud, ugly, and embarrassing. If you're a true fan of the Pittsburgh Steelers, you will be praying that week one is a 45-0 loss that is even uglier than the final score.

There's no way out of this prison beyond the electric chair and reincarnation. Let's just hope we don't come back as a dung beetle.

 

[xlm34]

Just truly an unlikeable team that is easy to root against.

Cam carries himself like he's some living legend. Newsflash Cam: you can drag out your career until you're 45 and you still won't be a HOF player. It's obvious he's just trying to go for the longevity + attempting to stay relevant through media angle. James Harrison gave us more from '07-'10 than Cam would give us in three careers.

The vets on this team deserve nothing. If anything, by their own undeserved hubris and lack of humility, they deserve to finish their careers in irrelevant, meaningless failure.

Hopefully this year is a complete and utter disaster. It needs to be loud, ugly, and embarrassing. If you're a true fan of the Pittsburgh Steelers, you will be praying that week one is a 45-0 loss that is even uglier than the final score.

There's no way out of this prison beyond the electric chair and reincarnation. Let's just hope we don't come back as a dung beetle.

I think when all is said and done, Heyward is pretty easily a hall of famer. He has the resume for it.

I truly don’t understand the dislike he gets from Steelers fans at times.

 

[pistolpete11]

Cam carries himself like he's some living legend. Newsflash Cam: you can drag out your career until you're 45 and you still won't be a HOF player. It's obvious he's just trying to go for the longevity + attempting to stay relevant through media angle. James Harrison gave us more from '07-'10 than Cam would give us in three careers.

Bro, come on. Cam is by all accounts a great dude and is a 4x All Pro. He's not hanging on just to hang on. He's still playing at a high level. An All Pro level, in fact. Whether he makes the HoF, we'll see, but I'd imagine the list of people with 4 All Pro's and not in the Hall is pretty short.

No need to drag him down for the organization's failings.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Bro, come on. Cam is by all accounts a great dude and is a 4x All Pro. He's not hanging on just to hang on. He's still playing at a high level. An All Pro level, in fact. Whether he makes the HoF, we'll see, but I'd imagine the list of people with 4 All Pro's and not in the Hall is pretty short.

No need to drag him down for the organization's failings.

I don't care for Cam bc he's cosigned much of this nonsense. I can separate his play from his off the field approach. Just like TJ and others. He's also been a complete zero factor in the playoffs. Ironically the most recent playoff win, Cam wasn't available due to injury. And you're right, he brought it last year even at his age.

And yea Cam likely will be in the HOF, but how much does that mean anymore? Much like the Hockey HOF the football one has become diluted.

Anyway I know I'm being ultra negative about him and this franchise right now. They all deserve to be shot into the sun. Incredulous that we're going on 10 years without a playoff win.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Yes one guy says weird political stuff and the other had actual off the field issues. Ben wasn’t all about winning and nothing else either.

Ben had about 4 years where he was apparently a douche off field and was an absolute stud on it. Not being hyperbolic when I say I'd take that Ben as my QB over any other if I needed a GW TD.

After they threatened to trade Ben we saw a different guy. No more off the field stuff.
So you're using ~3 years of poor behavior to counteract ~11 years of being not an ass? Funny how main stream media stuff infiltrates peoples' minds.

The Mandela Effect in play

The Mandela Effect refers to a phenomenon where many people share false memories of events, pop culture, or historical facts. These collective misremembered memories are often rooted in misremembered brand names, movie quotes, or visual details.

 

[pistolpete11]

I don't care for Cam bc he's cosigned much of this nonsense. I can separate his play from his off the field approach. Just like TJ and others. He's also been a complete zero factor in the playoffs. Ironically the most recent playoff win, Cam wasn't available due to injury. And you're right, he brought it last year even at his age.

And yea Cam likely will be in the HOF, but how much does that mean anymore? Much like the Hockey HOF the football one has become diluted.

Anyway I know I'm being ultra negative about him and this franchise right now. They all deserve to be shot into the sun. Incredulous that we're going on 10 years without a playoff win.

Sid would have cosigned keeping Bylsma for the rest of his career, too.

They are players. It's not their job to build the roster, call the plays, or pick the coaches.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Sid would have cosigned keeping Bylsma for the rest of his career, too.

They are players. It's not their job to build the roster, call the plays, or pick the coaches.

Yep. Comfort =/= good

 

[Peat]

+1ing the good things said about Cam. His podcast annoys me, but everything else is a dude you'd love to have on your team - and I'd rather have an excess of loyalty in a player than a lack. His play has been exceptional and I'm not going to drag him for being unable to drag the team anywhere as an IDL.

Honestly, if you're at the level of anger at the team where you want Heyward shot into the sun, then that sounds like a good moment to just take a break from all things Steelers as I do not see how there's any happiness to be had there.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Ben had about 4 years where he was apparently a douche off field and was an absolute stud on it. Not being hyperbolic when I say I'd take that Ben as my QB over any other if I needed a GW TD.

After they threatened to trade Ben we saw a different guy. No more off the field stuff.
So you're using ~3 years of poor behavior to counteract ~11 years of being not an ass? Funny how main stream media stuff infiltrates peoples' minds.

The Mandela Effect in play

The Mandela Effect refers to a phenomenon where many people share false memories of events, pop culture, or historical facts. These collective misremembered memories are often rooted in misremembered brand names, movie quotes, or visual details.

Whoa whoa. I agree with your point about Ben's "redemption," but using the Mandela effect to suggest people are misremembering multiple sexual assault accusations is off-base. Those things (accusations and accounts) did happen.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Whoa whoa. I agree with your point about Ben's "redemption," but using the Mandela effect to suggest people are misremembering multiple sexual assault accusations is off-base. Those things (accusations and accounts) did happen.

Maybe "horns effect" is a more adept descriptor. My point is people remember the bad Ben stuff. Since that time he's been nothing but devout family guy.

The horn effect, a form of cognitive bias, is a tendency to make negative judgments about individuals based on a single negative trait or observation. It's essentially the opposite of the halo effect, where one positive trait leads to overly favorable judgments.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

+1ing the good things said about Cam. His podcast annoys me, but everything else is a dude you'd love to have on your team - and I'd rather have an excess of loyalty in a player than a lack. His play has been exceptional and I'm not going to drag him for being unable to drag the team anywhere as an IDL.

Honestly, if you're at the level of anger at the team where you want Heyward shot into the sun, then that sounds like a good moment to just take a break from all things Steelers as I do not see how there's any happiness to be had there.

Yea it's a multitude of reasons and you touched on his podcast as well. He seems cheesy and inauthentic. Those types of people always grind my gears.

In short, this franchise needs an enema and Cam is part of the culture even if he doesn't pick the players brought in or call the plays as Pete alluded to. He and Tomlin have shaped the environment and it's been a very shitty one

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

So he's alleging these reports were fabricated to cause his son's stock to fall? I love good collusion and conspiracy theories!

Deion rips 'foolish' reports on Shedeur draft prep

Deion Sanders says he was "hurt" by reports that his son Shedeur Sanders was unprepared during predraft meetings with NFL teams, but he also isn't buying the validity of them, either.

www.espn.com

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Seems like a potential huge blow

Lions Pro Bowl center Ragnow says he's retiring

Lions center Frank Ragnow, a four-time Pro Bowl selection, announced his retirement on social media Monday.

www.espn.com

 

[UnrealMachine]

Maybe "horns effect" is a more adept descriptor. My point is people remember the bad Ben stuff. Since that time he's been nothing but devout family guy.

The horn effect, a form of cognitive bias, is a tendency to make negative judgments about individuals based on a single negative trait or observation. It's essentially the opposite of the halo effect, where one positive trait leads to overly favorable judgments.

Seemed as if he had more than a single negative trait, coupled with multiple “observations”.

Regarding the devout family guy comment - have you not fallen for your own Halo Effect here?!?

 

[Jaded-Fan]

Sid would have cosigned keeping Bylsma for the rest of his career, too.

They are players. It's not their job to build the roster, call the plays, or pick the coaches.

I have mixed feelings about Crosby's retire in Pittsburgh game plan.

On the one hand I admire the hell out of an all time great player who not only wants to play for one team his entire career but took a sizable discount to do so.

On the other hand, if it is apparent that there is a snowball's chance in hell of the team actually winning the Cup and you remain a top player in the league who could compete for more Cups, I don't get why. Hell even making the playoffs would be a heavy lift.

It isn't even helping the team, which would be better with a complete rebuild at this point. It only delays the inevitable.

 

[pistolpete11]

I have mixed feelings about Crosby's retire in Pittsburgh game plan.

On the one hand I admire the hell out of an all time great player who not only wants to play for one team his entire career but took a sizable discount to do so.

On the other hand, if it is apparent that there is a snowball's chance in hell of the team actually winning the Cup and you remain a top player in the league who could compete for more Cups, I don't get why. Hell even making the playoffs would be a heavy lift.

It isn't even helping the team, which would be better with a complete rebuild at this point. It only delays the inevitable.

That's a bit of a different discussion. I'm just saying, I'm not going to hold players being loyal to their coaches against them. If the coach isn't getting it done, then it's on management to address it, not the players.