OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Ploff wins?!? Fire Tomlin

[ZorkEnchanter]

I think the thing people forget about the killer B's years was the defense was mostly horrible because of needed to reload. So many of the old guard retired from 2012-2015 and they team started rebuilding the defense in 2014. And the rebuild was coming to fruition in 2017, but we all know what derailed that. So failing with the killer b's needs an asterisks because how they failed IMO.

Okay, but who was the coach? Literally, I don't know where this mentality comes from fandom...

It's been 8+ years of various TOMLIN failures, none of which the coach (or fans of the coach) take any accountability for AND Tomlin has had plenty of time for self reflection and curiosity to change directions and fix the ship.

I get this reaction after 1-2 years but man... he's done nothing of note in 7..8..9... years to warrant this kind of absolute DEVOTION from you guys. @Mr Jiggyfly just nailed it. Noll was a legit legend. Tomlin was a great coach... and just like many over time has lost the edge.

Lost the Super Bowl in 2010 and nothing but L's

 

[MrBrightside]

Man we are saddled with the stalest group of coaches and management in this city.

 

[WickedWrister]

 

[Colonel Mustard]

Only to be taken up by wilson

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

I’m 100% convinced Dan Rooney would have fired Tomlin 2-3 years ago had he still been alive.

The media keep pounding the table how the Steelers don’t fire coaches, but it’s well known Dan told Noll it was time to retire.

So Noll was given a retirement with dignity, but if he refused to retire, Dan would have fired him.

And Noll was a legit legend, not some faux legend like Tomlin who won with Cowher’s team and hasn’t done anything noteworthy in 15 years.

Dan’s son is not his father - just living off his dad’s legacy and too terrified to make even what’s now become a very easy call.

To add:
The team stunk before Dan Sr. took over. Most everything that’s thought of as the Steeler way was Dan Rooney. And it could not be more accurate to say that Little Art is just hanging on. Same for Tomlin, and same for this organization. Which is why “the Steeler way” is becoming a joke.

 

[Shockmaster]

I’m 100% convinced Dan Rooney would have fired Tomlin 2-3 years ago had he still been alive.

The media keep pounding the table how the Steelers don’t fire coaches, but it’s well known Dan told Noll it was time to retire.

So Noll was given a retirement with dignity, but if he refused to retire, Dan would have fired him.

And Noll was a legit legend, not some faux legend like Tomlin who won with Cowher’s team and hasn’t done anything noteworthy in 15 years.

Dan’s son is not his father - just living off his dad’s legacy and too terrified to make even what’s now become a very easy call.

Being that when the national media talks about an NFL owner, it's usually not in a good light - i.e., Jerry Jones mostly, sometimes a Davis, Snyder before they pushed him out, or maybe Irsay if he OD's or goes on a drug-addled tweet-storm as he's prone to do at times. If Art fired Tomlin, the national media would eviscerate him non-stop for much of the off-season and also question his reasoning for firing Tomlin, implying it's about something other than playoff record and performance over the last 8 seasons. Art rarely speaks with the local media, and when he does, they throw him softball after softball and don't challenge him if he gives a bullshit answer. No way does he want to be brought into the spotlight of the national media.

 

[Shockmaster]

Bill Cowher Hopes Steelers Change Players And Coaches In Offseason

While he doesn't call out Tomlin specifically, even Cowher is saying the Steelers need a major shake-up.

 

[cookthebooks]

He went to Georgia, a prestigious school that certainly makes their athletes do well in school!

i mean why are you two so certain he isnt smart? immature and emotional are a lot different than dumb imo

 

[MrBrightside]

i mean why are you two so certain he isnt smart? immature and emotional are a lot different than dumb imo

You’re super invested in defending George Pickens.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

You’re super invested in defending George Pickens.

Why are people so invested in tearing him down?

 

[MissADD]

Okay, but who was the coach? Literally, I don't know where this mentality comes from fandom...

It's been 8+ years of various TOMLIN failures, none of which the coach (or fans of the coach) take any accountability for AND Tomlin has had plenty of time for self reflection and curiosity to change directions and fix the ship.

I get this reaction after 1-2 years but man... he's done nothing of note in 7..8..9... years to warrant this kind of absolute DEVOTION from you guys. @Mr Jiggyfly just nailed it. Noll was a legit legend. Tomlin was a great coach... and just like many over time has lost the edge.

Lost the Super Bowl in 2010 and nothing but L's

You misinterpret what I'm saying. I'm saying I hate the killer bs argument because of the issues with the defense. The offense was scoring at will, but the defense against good teams was also giving up points at will. And not because of coaching, but because of the changing of the guard. I firmly believe Tomlin has to go, I just don't think the killers B's era can be used fully against him because of everything that happened with the defense.

 

[MrBrightside]

With Tomlin back, not that it was ever a question, I’ll be pretty shocked if Smith and Wilson aren’t also. Maybe Austin gets the door but that really means nothing given Tomlin’s management of the defense. Damn it’s hard to feel even a little optimism right now.

Why are people so invested in tearing him down?

I don’t know about “tearing him down” but his act has gotten old quickly. He’s not good enough to be as much drama as he is. But because the rest of the WR is the worst in the league we are stuck with it.

 

[MissADD]

In starting to realize how many boot lickers are in Steeler nation. It's not on this board, but other places they are calling people who want change fake fans. Since when is wanting change after years of mediocrity by the standard of the organization make someone a fake fan?

 

[Jaded-Fan]

To add:
The team stunk before Dan Sr. took over. Most everything that’s thought of as the Steeler way was Dan Rooney. And it could not be more accurate to say that Little Art is just hanging on. Same for Tomlin, and same for this organization. Which is why “the Steeler way” is becoming a joke.

Little Art went Hollywood. He cares a lot less about the bottom line than he does about how he, and the Steelers are perceived.

 

[JTG]

Was injured?

Help me out. It says playoffs record without LeBeau 5-6. I only see 3 playoff wins from 2015 on. What am I missing?

I think they've only won 3 playoff games since LeBeau left, one in 2015, two in 2016. That said, it was becoming evident the game was passing LeBeau by.

The most damning stat is that in Tomlin's 18 seasons, he's only won at least one playoff game in 4 of them, those years being 2008, 2010, 2015, and 2016. He's either missed the playoffs or gone one-and-done in other years. No other head coach with that level of failure in the playoffs would not get fired.

The regular season records don’t add up correctly. You have 144 games for 8 seasons (2007-2014) which can’t be more than 128 games.

And then for the period of 2015-2024, which is 10 seasons, would be atleast 160 games. You have 131 games.

And his playoff record is 8-11. I think you need to readjust your spreadsheet or somethin.

I let AI do 1 thing and it zigged instead of zagged. To add - 2004-2006 (years WITH LeBeau and without Tomlin the team was 34-14 (0.700), 2-2 in the playoffs in 2 years, with 1 Super Bowl win.

Where I will defend Tomlin - it took Cowher Dick LeBeau to figure it out too, for the most part.

 

[Coastal Kev]

Coward... where is Minkah and Highsmith on that list? Before you question Highsmith, take a look at his career stats and see the outlier.

 

[xlm34]

I feel like something has gotta give on some of these QB contracts that are being handed out. I can’t help but think there’s gonna be some buyers remorse at some point on the guys like Love/Lawrence/Tua.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Being that when the national media talks about an NFL owner, it's usually not in a good light - i.e., Jerry Jones mostly, sometimes a Davis, Snyder before they pushed him out, or maybe Irsay if he OD's or goes on a drug-addled tweet-storm as he's prone to do at times. If Art fired Tomlin, the national media would eviscerate him non-stop for much of the off-season and also question his reasoning for firing Tomlin, implying it's about something other than playoff record and performance over the last 8 seasons. Art rarely speaks with the local media, and when he does, they throw him softball after softball and don't challenge him if he gives a bullshit answer. No way does he want to be brought into the spotlight of the national media.

I’m sure some will make it about race, but given the Rooneys track record with diversity, the criticism would ring hollow.

Thry do not have to fire him. Trade him to Chicago for a 2nd this year and 1st in 26 like Peyton got from Denver to the saints.
Hire Johnson or Cowhen as HC
Trade minka for a 1st no need to have 47 million against the cap next 2 seasons

Damn when BigDad is ready to get rid of Tomlin, you know things have gotten really bad.

I’m sure when the Steelers reach a full decade without a playoff win, AR2 may finally see what the problem is.

In starting to realize how many boot lickers are in Steeler nation. It's not on this board, but other places they are calling people who want change fake fans. Since when is wanting change after years of mediocrity by the standard of the organization make someone a fake fan?

I spent the entire season rooting against them because I knew all along how it was going to end - the same way it always does.

I don’t care about someone calling me a bad fan - I’ve loved this team since I was a kid but you have to be a mental midget not to understand Tomlin has to go for this org to be relevant again.

Eventually his failures will keep piling so high that even AR2 will come to his senses.

 

[JTG]

I feel like something has gotta give on some of these QB contracts that are being handed out. I can’t help but think there’s gonna be some buyers remorse at some point on the guys like Love/Lawrence/Tua.

I dont know if there will be because the cap is supposed to rise so much. These owners and players are printing money and that gravy train isn't stopping.

 

[Snooki Stackhouse]

I feel like something has gotta give on some of these QB contracts that are being handed out. I can’t help but think there’s gonna be some buyers remorse at some point on the guys like Love/Lawrence/Tua.

I think if you let Tua or Love walk, then you're employing someone in sharp decline like Russ or Rodgers, or a JAG like Minshew. If you have someone even remotely decent and young, you have to keep him.

 

[JTG]

I’m sure some will make it about race, but given the Rooneys track record with diversity, the criticism would ring hollow.



Damn when BigDad is ready to get rid of Tomlin, you know things have gotten really bad.

I’m sure when the Steelers reach a full decade without a playoff win, AR2 may finally see what the problem is.



I spent the entire season rooting against them because I knew all along how it was going to end - the same way it always does.

I don’t care about someone calling me a bad fan - I’ve loved this team since I was a kid but you have to be a mental midget not to understand Tomlin has to go for this org to be relevant again.

I'd rather have a 1st in 2026 and a 1st in 2027 and not take a pick this year. Give us two shots to get a QB.

All nonsense though. We have Tomlin for 3 more years.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

I'd rather have a 1st in 2026 and a 1st in 2027 and not take a pick this year. Give us two shots to get a QB.

All nonsense though. We have Tomlin for 3 more years.

Trade Watt.

Trade Minkah.

Trade Pickens.

Trade back this year.

Build all the draft capital you can to find a franchise QB in 26-27.

That’s what a sensible org that doesn’t live off their legacy would do.

But we know they will “make another run for a championship” next year, so keep holding Watt hostage so he never wins a playoff game.

 

[TNT87]

Tomlin continues to make history

 

[JTG]

Coward... where is Minkah and Highsmith on that list? Before you question Highsmith, take a look at his career stats and see the outlier.

No reason to trade Highsmith. He's under a great contract and he's good at what he does.

 

[Peat]

I feel like something has gotta give on some of these QB contracts that are being handed out. I can’t help but think there’s gonna be some buyers remorse at some point on the guys like Love/Lawrence/Tua.

What's a team gonna do instead? Draft a QB every four years and trade them at the end of their rookie contract? Join us in the quest for the next Baker Mayfield? Go to war with their QBs over pay?

I'd also add that you've got to look at the structure here. Love's guaranteed money is paid up by the end of 2026, and 1/3rd of his promised deal gets paid out in 2028 in a year where the Packers can save 58m by cutting him. His deal is basically. Love's deal is basically a 3 year where he makes 36.6m a year APY and if he's great and shows he's a true franchise QB, there's a team option that gets him another 100m. If he's not, sayonara. Lawrencea and Tagovailoa are in similar boats. They're pretty reasonable situations if they're only middle of the road guys who they want to move on from around their 30s.