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Andy99 said:
Honestly, unless they get a second round pick in the top half of the round, there’s almost no point in trading Pickens…there’s some good remaining WRs but they’ll be gone in the second…
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Yeah, no reason to trade Pickens if you aren't coming away with a different WR. And not even a different WR...Burden is about all I'd take over Pickens.
 
Empoleon8771 said:
I know Sanders has his flaws, but the absolute hardline some of you are putting on him is absolutely ridiculous. This team has Mason Rudolph as its starting QB. They have no QB prospects anywhere even close to the team. Yet the idea of using a 3rd or 2 3rds (which is probably what trading up to get Sanders would cost) is somehow unacceptable to get Sanders? Seriously? You can be entirely skeptical of Sanders while still thinking that the "screw it, let's throw some shit at the wall and see if it sticks" strategy to address the QB position is well worth it at that price.

I get that everyone here fetishizes the 2026 QB class, but we have no idea who will actually declare for that draft nor do we have any idea if the Steelers would even be able to get any of the good QBs in the class next year. Saying no to any sort of QB gamble so you can hold out for this mythical perfect QB is just how you end up not getting a QB.



It's not "appeal to authority" to acknowledge that I'm less qualified and less educated than the people getting paid money to have this be their entire career. To suggest that you're smarter than they are because you can watch games on your couch is just hilariously arrogant, to the point where you're not even someone worth talking to.
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Empoleon8771 said:
I know Sanders has his flaws, but the absolute hardline some of you are putting on him is absolutely ridiculous. This team has Mason Rudolph as its starting QB. They have no QB prospects anywhere even close to the team. Yet the idea of using a 3rd or 2 3rds (which is probably what trading up to get Sanders would cost) is somehow unacceptable to get Sanders? Seriously? You can be entirely skeptical of Sanders while still thinking that the "screw it, let's throw some shit at the wall and see if it sticks" strategy to address the QB position is well worth it at that price.

I get that everyone here fetishizes the 2026 QB class, but we have no idea who will actually declare for that draft nor do we have any idea if the Steelers would even be able to get any of the good QBs in the class next year. Saying no to any sort of QB gamble so you can hold out for this mythical perfect QB is just how you end up not getting a QB.



It's not "appeal to authority" to acknowledge that I'm less qualified and less educated than the people getting paid money to have this be their entire career. To suggest that you're smarter than they are because you can watch games on your couch is just hilariously arrogant, to the point where you're not even someone worth talking to.
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It's good to admit that if you think that's true, but don't paint everyone with the same brush. I also think you overestimate the actual expertise among NFL executives, they aren't like players who with few exceptions earn their jobs based on talent. What exactly is Jerry Jones's expertise in football, for instance?
 
Peat said:
I will wait and see - for all we know Sanders is the first name announced and he ends up in his rough big board range - but I think it's possible he will continue to slide because

a) It doesn't matter what the consensus thinks; there's, what, maybe six teams that have any real need for him here and if they have third round grades on him the dude best get comfy.

b) QBs are weird and selling a GM on a 1st/2nd low upside high floor QB could be pretty hard for some orgs. Who wants to trust their future to a guy they believe has no elite traits?

And maybe I'm projecting because I struggle with the idea of him even in the 3rd round. But a 1st/2nd QB usually goes in the 1st. If Sanders can't do that in a year where the QB supply/demand is so wonky, why? I struggle to see a better answer than they're not happy trusting their futures to his talent level...
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I think it can very easily be explained with the circus that comes around him. Numerous places have said that Sanders interviewed horribly before the draft, it actually seems like the Steelers interview/visit was one of the only ones that went well.

I think there are very reasonable reasons to be skeptical about Sanders, both from a talent perspective and a personality perspective. But I have really not seen a good argument against taking him with a late 2nd or 3rd if he's available, just as a "let's throw shit at the wall to see what sticks" strategy. Best case scenario he matures up and becomes a good starting QB, not an elite one but a good one. If he stinks or if he causes headaches, the team will be fine moving on since he wasn't a round 1 commitment.
 
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Empoleon8771 said:
I think it can very easily be explained with the circus that comes around him. Numerous places have said that Sanders interviewed horribly before the draft, it actually seems like the Steelers interview/visit was one of the only ones that went well.

I think there are very reasonable reasons to be skeptical about Sanders, both from a talent perspective and a personality perspective. But I have really not seen a good argument against taking him with a late 2nd or 3rd if he's available, just as a "let's throw shit at the wall to see what sticks" strategy. Best case scenario he matures up and becomes a good starting QB, not an elite one but a good one. If he stinks or if he causes headaches, the team will be fine moving on since he wasn't a round 1 commitment.
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Throw shit at the wall and see what sticks is what the Jets do. There are reasons why players succeed or fail, just because you can't identify them doesn't mean no one else can.
 
Empoleon8771 said:
No, he's sliding because of his personality. He's consistently rated as a mid 1st/late 2nd round talent by scouts.



Because again, even with this weak class, he's ranked as a late 1st/early 2nd round talent.
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No scouts didn’t have him rated in the 1st rounds the media did because his dad is Deion. Tomlin talked him like he as a smoke screen nothing more.
I get the Dart boys on the other sites crying because at least they have seen him play and you can see traces of Baker if you squint but you have not seen Sanders play
 
Empoleon8771 said:
I think it can very easily be explained with the circus that comes around him. Numerous places have said that Sanders interviewed horribly before the draft, it actually seems like the Steelers interview/visit was one of the only ones that went well.

I think there are very reasonable reasons to be skeptical about Sanders, both from a talent perspective and a personality perspective. But I have really not seen a good argument against taking him with a late 2nd or 3rd if he's available, just as a "let's throw shit at the wall to see what sticks" strategy. Best case scenario he matures up and becomes a good starting QB, not an elite one but a good one. If he stinks or if he causes headaches, the team will be fine moving on since he wasn't a round 1 commitment.
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NFL teams overlook personality flaws for high ceilings all the time though. The personality flaws only start to be an issue when they can't see the ceiling.
 
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Peat said:
NFL teams overlook personality flaws for high ceilings all the time though. The personality flaws only start to be an issue when they can't see the ceiling.
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I don't think anyone denies that Sanders' ceiling isn't that high, it's a good but not great starting QB. We just saw Dart go in round 1 and I don't think his ceiling is particularly higher than Sanders'. Sanders is just sliding because of the whole circus around him that Dart doesn't have.
 
Unrelated but I was looking to see if there were any Pickens rumors on Twitter, and that Steelers fanpage "PickensBurgh" has to be the most annoying fan page I've ever seen :laugh:
 
I like Shadeur because even though he is insanely cocky, I don't find his cockiness destructive. Everything I've ever seen with him, he stood up for his teammates, he stood up for his program, and he stood up for himself. I have zero issues with Sanders as a member of the team - I just didn't think he was a first round pick.
 
JTG said:
Next year or 2027 will be a 2000 draft caliber.
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2027 is gonna be nuts I think. Manning and Smith are gonna be some of the most hyped prospects ever. Ryan Williams from Bama is gonna be a freak too.
 
xlm34 said:
2027 is gonna be nuts I think. Manning and Smith are gonna be some of the most hyped prospects ever. Ryan Williams from Bama is gonna be a freak too.
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If Manning doesn't come out in 2026, 2027 is just an epic class. But 2026 is looking to be outstandingly strong at many positions.
 
I also know that the Texans have a bunch of injuries at WR, but drafting Higgins when you already have Kirk, Dell and Collins seems super weird to me. I know Dell's knee got destroyed, but this seems like they're moving on from him.
 
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