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Peat said:
Maybe I'm crazy but I'd seriously consider Shough as my QB2 in this draft. He has the best traits on a guy who is not a massive project to be an NFL QB of any guy after Ward and his smarts/accuracy seem good enough to be worth a shot. The injuries scare the crap out of me, but probably not as much as the lack of talent I'm seeing with some of the other guys. Seeing Daniels and Nix look pretty decent has calmed me down on older QBs and tbh, given how impatient the NFL is, I might almost view it as a benefit. You've got two years to show you're a starter so in many ways, the closer a guy is to his ceiling the better.


edit: On another note, I feel like this is the first draft in a hot moment where nobody's been leaking stuff about the mental testing. *checks* Ah, someone leaked MacMillan's AIQ score being really high. But nothing on the QBs. Kinda feel like given the way it was going, if I was a QB with a superior AIQ/S2 score, I'd be singing it from the rooftops...
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I think Shough has the desired measurables, traits, and arm talent to get drafted, but QB2 is pretty contrarian tbh. The fact that he's absolutely ancient (will be a 26 year old rookie) is not a plus to me whatsoever. Nix and Daniels dominated college football and were Heisman finalists in their 5th year seasons. In year 7!!! Shough was... Honorable Mention for All-ACC. And the injury history you mentioned drops him further down my board.
 
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WickedWrister said:
I think Shough has the desired measurables, traits, and arm talent to get drafted, but QB2 is pretty contrarian tbh. The fact that he's absolutely ancient (will be a 26 year old rookie) is not a plus to me whatsoever. Nix and Daniels dominated college football and were Heisman finalists in their 5th year seasons. In year 7!!! Shough was... Honorable Mention for All-ACC. And the injury history you mentioned drops him further down my board.
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I’m not completely writing him off

But from my armchair he’s literally Worse at Everything Brandon Weeden
 
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Double-Shift Lasse said:
The difference between McCord and Howard is that the playoff was expanded in Howard’s year as OSU QB and the lessons that their head coach learned in the interim.

Look, I’m no McCord fan although I probably sound like one. I just don’t think the other guys - Howard or Allar - are significantly better. That speaks to my lack of confidence in those guys as much of any confidence that McCord will be anything.

Indeed I’m also open to the idea that I’m way off base.
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I’m very biased when it comes to McCord so if @wheelz87 or @ColePens wants to chime in to give their take feel free
 
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WickedWrister said:
I think Shough has the desired measurables, traits, and arm talent to get drafted, but QB2 is pretty contrarian tbh. The fact that he's absolutely ancient (will be a 26 year old rookie) is not a plus to me whatsoever. Nix and Daniels dominated college football and were Heisman finalists in their 5th year seasons. In year 7!!! Shough was... Honorable Mention for All-ACC. And the injury history you mentioned drops him further down my board.
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I have no argument with anything you said and my post is as much an indictment of Sanders, Dart et al and anything else.

Like I've not sat with the tape - not sure I'd honestly be able to pick apart the nuances enough for it to be worth my time - so I've no idea who'd actually be my QB2. But there's enough stuff I don't like reading about the others, and enough ceiling stuff, that yeah, I would genuinely think about the Cory Trice of QBs as QB2.

And when I read the Draft Confidential stuff that Feldman and Breer do, or look at Brugler's Beast/Jeremiah's Big Board/Zierlein's grades, I don't feel it's all that contrarian. Jeremiah's the only one of the five where it feels Dart is clean ahead of Shough (Brugler has Dart ranked one spot ahead of Shough and Zierlein's grade on Dart is 0.01 better). Sanders mostly has a gap between him and the other guys, but it's not hard to find quotes on scouts liking one of the others more.

I mean, Shough should be nowhere near contention for QB2. He should be a 3rd-5th rounder. But here we are.
 
Peat said:
If Spencer Rattler and probably very soon Quinn Ewers can take the journey from big traits much heralded sure fire 1st rounders to 3rd - 5th rounders, why not Allar? I know the size/arm strength combo is big - although the impression I got is he's nowhere near as mobile as Allen - but if he doesn't take a step and gives you 3 years as a college starter where he's never more than a 6% TD 150 QBR guy, why not treat him as he is?

I guess if we go with the traits comparable for a big cannon-armed 6% TD 150 QBR guy, then he's Will Levis and he only just drops out of the 1st round, but imo Levis' thinner college resume allows a team to be more optimistic about untapped upside.
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Levis was a 24 year old rookie. Allar will be 22. He was also much more mistake prone. 3.4% INT compared to 1.2%.

Rattler doesn't have the size (6'0") and Ewers isn't nearly as athletic. I don't think Allar has the speed of Allen, so he's not going to break off 50+ yard TDs, but he's more than capable of picking up chunks that extend drives.

If Allar has a big year, he's probably going to go top 5, at least top 10. If he doesn't, he's exactly the high upside guy that falls to the 10-15OV range that the Steelers should be all over.
 
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pistolpete11 said:
Levis was a 24 year old rookie. Allar will be 22. He was also much more mistake prone. 3.4% INT compared to 1.2%.

Rattler doesn't have the size (6'0") and Ewers isn't nearly as athletic. I don't think Allar has the speed of Allen, so he's not going to break off 50+ yard TDs, but he's more than capable of picking up chunks that extend drives.

If Allar has a big year, he's probably going to go top 5, at least top 10. If he doesn't, he's exactly the high upside guy that falls to the 10-15OV range that the Steelers should be all over.
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Yeah rightly or wrongly I find it hard to see Allar not being a first rounder, pretty much no matter what.
 
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CheckingLineCenter said:
Yeah rightly or wrongly I find it hard to see Allar not being a first rounder, pretty much no matter what.
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Yeah, I don't want to overstate it. There are questions around him, but he's got all the tools. And while his toolbox might be a plastic bin in the corner, at least it's not a wet paper bag like Milroe. If there aren't any questions around him this time next year, the Steelers (probably) won't have a shot at him anyway.

Anyway, we can revisit this in a year.
 
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I mean, I'd assume that Allar will see his stats improve and this will all be rather moot. But if he doesn't and posts a third year of the same stats, he'll be in really weird territory.
 


Browns is the Browns if they do this. Although I am kind of curious if Hunter lives up to his draft position if he can’t play on both sides of the ball.

It’s also why I’m very skeptical they’ll trade up for Sanders, although this would make it more likely if it happens. Their roster is in rough shape after the Watson trade.
 
End of Line said:
I’m very biased when it comes to McCord so if @wheelz87 or @ColePens wants to chime in to give their take feel free
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Hell I may be biased too lol. Kid *barely* beat out Devin freakin Brown in 2023 to be qb1 at Ohio St. only had I believe 24 td passes with a loaded wr room. Had to be subbed out near the red zone until brown got hurt. You go thru the recent qbs at Ohio st and his name sticks out like a sore thumb. Never felt comfortable with him. When they talk about having moxie - don’t see it here. Don’t see a leader. And the numbers he put up with Syracuse obviously speak for themselves. Maybe there was a big jump. I was glad he moved on from osu and cared less about him til the Pitt game.. I’d prefer to go damn near anywhere else. (also no Shadeur).
 
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xlm34 said:
Oh man I forgot Dino Tomlin is draft eligible. That’s gonna be fun when they bring him to rookie camp.
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No doubt that happens. The interesting thing will be if he comes on a UDFA contract or a tryout contract.

If I was his Dad I would tell him to go somewhere else on a tryout. Tomlin has some friends in the league, like McDermott.
 
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Goalie_Bob said:
No doubt that happens. The interesting thing will be if he comes on a UDFA contract or a tryout contract.

If I was his Dad I would tell him to go somewhere else on a tryout. Tomlin has some friends in the league, like McDermott.
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The Bills do have 2 2nds and #30 and #56 (960 value) for #21 and #83 (975 value) is pretty close to even. Trading back 9 spots in the 1st so you improve by 27 spots from round 3 to 2 seems about worth it IMO.

Doing that likely still puts you in a spot to draft one of the DL in this draft, even if it's not necessarily Harmon (who could even still be there at #30), but it opens up a lot of opportunities at #56 that you probably won't have at #83. QB (potentially Milroe slides) and WR (possibly Higgins is still available) seem like 2 big ones.
 
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