OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Off Season We dont need a QB Edition

[CheckingLineCenter]

The Steelers missed out on Flacco too.

How do you get tweets to look like this

 

[nsvoyageurs]

I actually love Shadeur as a competitor. I like his arrogance and cockiness, even if it does go overboard. The issue I have is that he's cocky but his talent can't back it up like his Dad, and when he gets exposed he gets whiny.




No! That's what I'm trying to say. This isn't about a top QB. You keep seeing "Arch." The college QBs next year are better and many are less of projects than any of these guys. The crops of QBs are just so much better in future years where we DO get aggressive for our guy. Trade the whole f***ing draft if he's there.

My end game if I were king of the Steelers would be to do what we have to do in this draft to fill our weaknesses (that line up perfectly with this draft) and go all in on QBs the next 2 years. We walk out with 1 or even 2.

I'm also NOT against taking Shadeur or Dart. I just wouldn't do it at 21 and we don't have a 2nd if one of them falls.



I think for me, this draft lines up with our weaknesses and we have such better odds in the years following. I get that we don't know if these guys are going to be anything, but if you were a betting man and someone said "you can pick from this bucket, there's a gold flake in a bucket of sand, or here's a gold nickel in a bucket of sand...which one would you rather wade in?" You want to work with the pool that has less risky. This is legit the riskiest QB class since Pickett's class. We also have history - that class compares to this one...none of those guys are on their original teams.

You nailed it - the intangibles of the guys coming up are just absurd.



I would be totally shocked if they even play hardball with him, but if they aren't going to re-sign him, or they are going to hold out, they should just do the full rebuild instead of dicking around with a franchise legend.

Just trade him. They've won nothing with him; who cares about Defensive Player of the Year award; I don't. They won't be winning anything in the near future. He's getting older and beat up. Set yourself up for (hopefully) the next Super Bowl winning cycle.

But, we know they won't do that because they'll cave to him like weasels.

 

[JTG]

Just trade him. They've won nothing with him; who cares about Defensive Player of the Year award; I don't. They won't be winning anything in the near future. He's getting older and beat up. Set yourself up for (hopefully) the next Super Bowl winning cycle.

But, we know they won't do that because they'll cave to him like weasels.

As an asset management POV, I agree. Sometimes assets do not matter. If TJ wants to retire a Steeler, he really should. He's a first ballot HOFer. Add him to the list. TJ being in 1 jersey should happen unless he doesn't want it to.

 

[xlm34]

Yeah Saints are taking Sanders.

 

[Shaftception]

As an asset management POV, I agree. Sometimes assets do not matter. If TJ wants to retire a Steeler, he really should. He's a first ballot HOFer. Add him to the list. TJ being in 1 jersey should happen unless he doesn't want it to.

Eh, politely disagree.

The hole the franchise has been trying to climb out of for the past few years, is one they dug for themselves. A direct result of not having the foresight and more importantly will to move on from a Steelers legend in Ben when they rightfully should've after his major elbow injury.

The Steelers Are in Quarterback Limbo With Only Themselves to Blame:

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Just two weeks into that 2019 season, 37-year-old Roethlisberger suffered a season-ending elbow injury. Pittsburgh finished 8-8.​

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It was following their Week 2 game that the Steelers made a wild decision.​

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One day after Roethlisberger suffered the season-ending elbow injury, sitting at 0-2 and surely set up for a better 2020 draft pick than what they had in years past, the Steelers traded their first-round draft pick (and a fifth and sixth-round draft pick) to the Miami Dolphins in exchange for safety Minkah Fitzpatrick, a fourth-round pick, and a seventh-round pick.​

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The Steelers, on the precipice of their highest first-round draft pick in years due to what was likely to be their worst record in years, trading away the pick and sticking with a 38-year-old QB was highly perplexing.​

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Particularly when you look at that 2020 QB draft class.​

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Along with 2018, this 2020 draft class might go down as the best in the last 20 years:​

• Joe Burrow
• Justin Herbert
• Tua Tagovailoa
• Jordan Love
• Jalen Hurts

The 2020 class is arguably top-five of all time (along with 1983, 2004, and 2018).​

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And, in clear need of a quarterback for the future, the Steelers traded away their first-round pick.​

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That pick ended up being pick 18.​

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Even if the Steelers kept the pick and couldn’t trade up for one of the top-3 QBs, they could have drafted Love (pick 26) or Hurts (pick 53).​

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Instead, they chose to stick with 38-year-old Roethlisberger off a season-ending injury and to draft, at pick 49, WR Chase Claypool.​

This team didn't used to be so damn sentimental, to their own detriment.

Their reputation used to be they'd risk moving on from a star player a year or two early, rather than be stuck with a cap anchor a year or two late.

• They moved on from Woodson early.
• They moved on from Faneca early.
• They moved on from Porter early.
• They "retired" Troy, in the same way they "retired" Arians. Troy.

And all of those legends actually won Super Bowl's.

No offense to Watt, but his one total career post-season sack doesn't scream to me he's as deserving of the team bending over backwards to please him as some fans/media are claiming. Regardless of how much he is or isn't to blame for the lack of post season success during his time here.

Point is, they can continue to win nothing of substance with or without him.

So, the team currently finds themselves in a scenario where:

1. they have a not yet over the hill but aging star with miles on his body and a history of injuries starting to pile up much like his brother.
2. Who wants to be paid reportedly more than his closest rival who is younger yet most agree was overpaid himself.
3. All while having the perfect internal replacement ready to go in Herbig who Watt has personally groomed in his own image

This should be an obvious decision.

Especially for a team in the Steelers position, who's best option at QB for the coming season is an over the hill vet himself who has still yet to even sign with the team.

If it wasn't for the Metcalf trade putting more pressure on them to try to squeeze whatever's left out of this core's theoretical window to competel, this would be a no brainer.

 

[nsvoyageurs]

As an asset management POV, I agree. Sometimes assets do not matter. If TJ wants to retire a Steeler, he really should. He's a first ballot HOFer. Add him to the list. TJ being in 1 jersey should happen unless he doesn't want it to.

Franco Harris played or the Seattle Seahawks after the Steelers released him in 1984. It was at the end of his career and did not go well, but the Steelers at the time (Dan Rooney) was able to cut the cord, something Art II would be unwilling/unable to do. They got to the AFC Championship game with Walter Abercrombie, Frank Pollard and Rich Erenberg playing Running Back for them.

TJ Watt has been banged up, has been invisible in multiple playoff games. His sack totals are good, but put in context, they may not look as good (gets them in bunches). Games where he has had little impact, has to sit out plays because he's pooped. I don't pay him what he'll want, he's 30 (31 in October) and has been hurt alot. You don't get healthier when you get older, and the decline will be coming sooner rather than later.

 

[Snooki Stackhouse]

I watch watt and I watch Garrett and it's hard for me to understand why everyone is so sure TJ is the better player. When the browns signed Garrett to that deal I thought wow that's a lot of money when you don't have a prayer of winning a championship. And now Watt thinks he should get more than Garrett from a team who has Mason Rudolph at QB. It just feels like too much.

 

[Peat]

I'm gonna keep banging this drum - people look way too much at ageing stars in terms of win now and not enough in terms of prepping the next generation. It was one thing for the star studded Steelers of old to be ruthless, but this team has some pretty thin leadership.

Also, if someone wants to come and blow us away with an offer then great, but the same age and new contract issues that have people spooked about keeping him are also going to limit his return so who knows if that happens.

I'm not against trading Watt. I just don't think it's the no brainer move that so many seem to think it is.

 

[SomeDude]

I'm gonna keep banging this drum - people look way too much at ageing stars in terms of win now and not enough in terms of prepping the next generation. It was one thing for the star studded Steelers of old to be ruthless, but this team has some pretty thin leadership.

Also, if someone wants to come and blow us away with an offer then great, but the same age and new contract issues that have people spooked about keeping him are also going to limit his return so who knows if that happens.

I'm not against trading Watt. I just don't think it's the no brainer move that so many seem to think it is.

Yea man, who better to train the next generation on winning than a bunch of guys who have never won a playoff game.

The new Steelers way is get to .500 and get paid.

 

[JTG]

I watch watt and I watch Garrett and it's hard for me to understand why everyone is so sure TJ is the better player. When the browns signed Garrett to that deal I thought wow that's a lot of money when you don't have a prayer of winning a championship. And now Watt thinks he should get more than Garrett from a team who has Mason Rudolph at QB. It just feels like too much.

I think both are pretty identical, with Garrett having an edge in power, and TJ having an edge in bend/flexibility. When both are on, I think Garrett is probably tougher to slow down, and Garrett needs less help making things happen, especially these days.

TJ is going to be slowing down soon. They really need to get him some looks where he doesn't have a LT leaning on him, and they need to get a DE to keep him clean. If Tuitt didn't retire early, I think TJ's stats would be even more ridiculous.

I'm gonna keep banging this drum - people look way too much at ageing stars in terms of win now and not enough in terms of prepping the next generation. It was one thing for the star studded Steelers of old to be ruthless, but this team has some pretty thin leadership.

Also, if someone wants to come and blow us away with an offer then great, but the same age and new contract issues that have people spooked about keeping him are also going to limit his return so who knows if that happens.

I'm not against trading Watt. I just don't think it's the no brainer move that so many seem to think it is.

I agree with this. I'd love to get the picks for TJ if he wanted to leave, but he has kind of earned the ability to make that choice, IMO. TJ is good for business.

 

[End of Line]

College football is in a great place. Iamaleava got a massive deal to play at Tennessee and wasn’t anything special last year.

 

[Snooki Stackhouse]

Can he transfer elsewhere now or is that closed for the year? Assuming he can transfer I guess he'll probably be fine since he'll get a job and a bag. Might also improve his draft stock going to a better program.

 

[End of Line]

Can he transfer elsewhere now or is that closed for the year? Assuming he can transfer I guess he'll probably be fine since he'll get a job and a bag. Might also improve his draft stock going to a better program.

He can transfer when the spring portal opens next week. Just can’t transfer to another SEC school.

 

[pistolpete11]

That's wild. Wonder where he ends up? Saw some speculation USC.

Kind of conflicted on this stuff. I'm glad the kids are getting paid instead of just padding the pockets of people in suits, but it has ruined the 'school pride' or whatever you want to call it that used to be one of the selling points of college football.

I don't think it reflects well on Nico, though. Right before the season starts you pull this and from what I've seen Tennessee said he's kind of just gone dark on them. Not very professional or a sign of a leader.

 

[Snooki Stackhouse]

If he can't get a good landing spot at a P5 school he may not come out in 26. We know Arch isn't likely to come out, so the 26 class might not be as great as anticipated. If the Steelers wait until next year to get a QB they could face the same questionable level of talent they'll see in 25.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

If he can't get a good landing spot at a P5 school he may not come out in 26. We know Arch isn't likely to come out, so the 26 class might not be as great as anticipated. If the Steelers wait until next year to get a QB they could face the same questionable level of talent they'll see in 25.

There’s a real good chance Kublink is next year’s Dart. Sellers is Milroe. Ward Dart and Sanders were all transfers. My favorite player to watch next season is Leavitt Ward compared him to ben and Allar has more ups than Ward

 

[xlm34]

If he can't get a good landing spot at a P5 school he may not come out in 26. We know Arch isn't likely to come out, so the 26 class might not be as great as anticipated. If the Steelers wait until next year to get a QB they could face the same questionable level of talent they'll see in 25.

Yeah I think one of ‘26 or ‘27 will be a strong class for QBs, but next could definitely be disappointing if some guys go back to school.

—Manning probably goes back to school
—Sellers could go back to school
—Between how underwhelming his play was last year and this, Nico’s got some serious work to do
—Allar to me needs to take a step forward this year to be a top pick. Some of his performances in bigger games have just been so bad. The idea of him has always been better than the actual product.
—Nussmeier/Klubnik/Leavitt all are names to watch and other guys will come out of nowhere.

Definitely a lot more potential a year out, but there’s a lot of ifs.

 

[End of Line]

That's wild. Wonder where he ends up? Saw some speculation USC.

Kind of conflicted on this stuff. I'm glad the kids are getting paid instead of just padding the pockets of people in suits, but it has ruined the 'school pride' or whatever you want to call it that used to be one of the selling points of college football.

I don't think it reflects well on Nico, though. Right before the season starts you pull this and from what I've seen Tennessee said he's kind of just gone dark on them. Not very professional or a sign of a leader.

USC is my guess to go home to California.

The funny thing about this entire situation is that the whole ridiculous NIL contracts got out of hand starting with Tennessee. To the point the state AG sued the NCAA. What comes around goes around.

It doesn’t look good on him or his dad who called a reporter a bitch for reporting on it. You gave up on your teammates first and foremost. That’s what sticks out to me the most.

 

[Peat]

I can't say I respect what Iamaleava has done, but given how many NFL players go to war with their teams over money, I can't imagine this is a big deal.

 

[cookthebooks]

ima leave ya is some real nominative determinism

 

[cookthebooks]

am i right in thinking contract negotiations breaking down with tj is best case scenario for the steelers? wrong side of 30 and playing for a quarterback-less franchise is not a recipe for winning in this nfl

 

[bigdaddyk88]

am i right in thinking contract negotiations breaking down with tj is best case scenario for the steelers? wrong side of 30 and playing for a quarterback-less franchise is not a recipe for winning in this nfl

Depends on what your goals are as in organization. If TJ asks to be traded sure they will make it happen.
They wouldn’t be playing the waiting game on Rodgers if they were going to proactively trade TJ. No different than Garrett in Cleveland

 

[Pens1566]

I think it would be best, long term, for the organization if TJ were to request a trade to a contender. While it would be a great fairy tale ending of a career for him to re-sign and finish out his career here while winning ... at least a single playoff game, it's just that ... a fairy tale.

The facts are that he's an oft injured player on the downside of his career playing for a franchise that has never won anything while he's been in his prime, and shows no signs of improving on that legacy during what would be the likely remainder of his time in the league. While a deal would provide serious assets that could go towards changing that trajectory, should the organization play it right (not feeling great about those odds either, but it's higher probability).

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Depends on what your goals are as in organization. If TJ asks to be traded sure they will make it happen.
They wouldn’t be playing the waiting game on Rodgers if they were going to proactively trade TJ. No different than Garrett in Cleveland

What's funny is that Garrett shut up about his trade demands once he got paid more $$

I don't see TJ and MG as having the same motivations.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

What's funny is that Garrett shut up about his trade demands once he got paid more $$

I don't see TJ and MG as having the same motivations.

TJ has repeatedly said being a 1 helmet guy is important to him and his brother said the Steelers could have gotten a discount if they extended him before last season then Garrett got paid