WickedWrister
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What are the chances Sanders slides to 21?
Schefter thinks 9 (Saints) or us are the most likely destinations
Schefter thinks 9 (Saints) or us are the most likely destinations
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I think they’re higher than I would have expected a month ago. Top 3 based on rumors seems to be shaping up to be:
1.) Ward
2.) Hunter
3.) Carter
So if he gets past the Raiders (Jeanty) and Saints…it could happen. Not sure how I’d feel about it honestly. I think he’s a deserving first round QB, but there’s the whole upside argument with him.
Empoleon8771
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I've seen a few mocks that have Sanders sliding to 21, but I think most expect him to fall in the 8-15 range. That said, he's a no brainer to pick if he makes it to 21. Would be a substantially better 1st rounder than using it on Dart.
The only concern I really see with Sanders is his dad. From a talent POV, there's nothing wrong with Sanders that makes me hesitate whatsoever with taking him in round 1.
The only concern I really see with Sanders is his dad. From a talent POV, there's nothing wrong with Sanders that makes me hesitate whatsoever with taking him in round 1.
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Empoleon8771
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Not taking a chance on anyone guarantees you won't get a fix. Taking a shot on someone like Ewers or Milroe in round 3 gives you a chance, even if it's a small chance.
Not attempting it just guarantees you won't solve the QB issue.
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He is the total opposite of what Smith wants in a qb. Constantly leaving the pocket trying to extend plays and rely heavily on athleticism. Not sure he can hold up in the elements and is probably better suited in a dome or timing offense like Tua. I don’t even think Sanders is on their board. Limited mobility and below average play action qb.
Empoleon8771
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Why would the Steelers draft a QB based on what Arthur Smith wants? Smith nearly left them after a year, he was already interviewing with other teams for both NCAA and NFL head coaching jobs.
They need to get a young QB and get an OC that fits his playing style. If Smith doesn't fit Sanders' play style, tell Smith to go and bring in an OC that fits how Sanders plays.
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Why? The Steelers want to be a heavy under center play action qb or an rpo play action team. If your not capable of doing either then you’re not a fit. It’s why Smith hated RW. You need to stay in the pocket. You need to let the play develop and give the wr a chance. Sanders is often late and doesn’t have great arm strength. His best chance to be successful is winning through processing and anticipation. Some coaches are scared off by his constantly tapping the ball and his rough foot work
I do think there's a chance Sanders could fall a bit but we'll get jumped by another team trading up for him for better or worse.
Empoleon8771
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Again, you don’t draft a QB that fits Arthur Smith’s offense when Smith has already been interviewing for other positions. That makes zero sense.
If Sanders doesn’t fit Smith’s ideal offense, you replace Smith. You don’t pass on Sanders because your OC that will likely be gone within 2 years doesn’t mesh with his style.
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It’s not smith system it’s what the Steelers want the want an offense similar to Greenbay and the 49ers. They want to use in breaking routes off play action. Smith had built a an rpo offense for Ridder in Atlanta and was going to build one for fields. They want to function under center and they want the qb to be where he is supposed to be to help the o line. Sanders doesn’t have the arm strength to play on the afc north and drive the ball in the cold snow. He falls somewhere between Dalton Tua and Goff if he reaches his ceiling and wins with anticipation processing.
Re Sanders - I'd agree that if the Steelers see a franchise QB, they should take Sanders and figure out the rest later, even if he doesn't fit the current plan. QB first, system second.
I am dubious he is that guy. Even as a processing + accuracy truther, betting on a guy who has very little else is a bit unnerving when there's questions about him there. Obviously you don't get a shot at a QB without questions, but I see a high floor low ceiling guy.
If he makes it past the Saints, there's a long stretch of teams with no real need with a QB until the Steelers, and nobody behind them bar the Rams until they hit the 2nd round - and 2nd round to 20 or higher is a longer reach.
It's possible. Hell, maybe Cleveland or NYG pull a Houston and trade a ton to get him before he's even out of the top 10. But logistically, the chances for a long fall are very good.
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p.s. I could believe they were doing due diligence on Milroe/Dart in case of a fall and them being there in the 3rd. Not Sanders. 1st round QB is clearly possible.
I am dubious he is that guy. Even as a processing + accuracy truther, betting on a guy who has very little else is a bit unnerving when there's questions about him there. Obviously you don't get a shot at a QB without questions, but I see a high floor low ceiling guy.
If he makes it past the Saints, there's a long stretch of teams with no real need with a QB until the Steelers, and nobody behind them bar the Rams until they hit the 2nd round - and 2nd round to 20 or higher is a longer reach.
It's possible. Hell, maybe Cleveland or NYG pull a Houston and trade a ton to get him before he's even out of the top 10. But logistically, the chances for a long fall are very good.
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p.s. I could believe they were doing due diligence on Milroe/Dart in case of a fall and them being there in the 3rd. Not Sanders. 1st round QB is clearly possible.
Snooki Stackhouse
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I actually think Sanders falling to the Steelers is possible. Speculation was it was the browns were the team that leaked his interview at the combine didn't go well, and they seem to be scouting Hunter more. I think the Giants should draft him, but maybe the allure of Carter is too great and they figure they've got to win this year to save their jobs. And the saints probably should do it, but they possibly feel like they're already paying a guy with some tread left in Carr and Shedeur might not be better than Carr anyway.
Jets seem to want to give Fields a decent shot and the colts still married to AR.
Steelers getting Shedeur at 21 would be really nice. Every amateur analyst I've seen has graded him better than Kenny and on par with the Nix, Penix, JJ tier in last year's draft. Plus clearly higher tier than Dart.
I wish they'd tell Rodgers to pound sand, see what you get out of Sanders (or Dart, whatever), and then maybe all that draft capital next year can push the team over the top - or reroll on QB if the guy this year sucks.
Jets seem to want to give Fields a decent shot and the colts still married to AR.
Steelers getting Shedeur at 21 would be really nice. Every amateur analyst I've seen has graded him better than Kenny and on par with the Nix, Penix, JJ tier in last year's draft. Plus clearly higher tier than Dart.
I wish they'd tell Rodgers to pound sand, see what you get out of Sanders (or Dart, whatever), and then maybe all that draft capital next year can push the team over the top - or reroll on QB if the guy this year sucks.
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Goalie_Bob
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You obviously have not watched Sanders if that is your take. He doesn’t leave the pocket, it’s one of the things that the scouts have mentioned as a negative. He will just stand there and take too many sacks while trying to find Someone open.
He played in Colorado the past two years. You know it snows there right? They have elements there as well.
I do agree he seems to be better suited for a timing offense but that is on the Steelers. Their offense is antiquated and if they new what they were doing then they would have hired a coordinator that could scheme guys open.
Shedeur Sanders 2025 NFL Draft: Scouting Report For Colorado QB
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2025 NFL Draft Scouting Report: QB Shedeur Sanders, Colorado
We break down Colorado quarterback Shedeur Sanders' strengths and weaknesses in this 2025 NFL Draft scouting report.
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Also just re this
They can't go for ever and ever without taking a shot, but they can miss a year if the options stink. Double down on a 1st and a 4th or 5th next year if you want multiple shots - rather than a 3rd this year and a 1st next year, which I have my doubts about them doing.
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Making the case: Shedeur Sanders or Jaxson Dart
Which quarterback is the right one to choose?
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Empoleon8771
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The problem is they didn't take a shot last year or the year before, either.
Yeah the scheme comment makes no sense to me. If Sanders doesn't fit Arthur Smith's offensive scheme, why would you pass up on the 22 year old 1st round QB and keep Smith? Smith has already been actively interviewing for other positions.
The short version is don't throw good money after bad. Don't take bad value bets because prior actions put the team in a hole.
The long version is I certainly don't blame them for not taking a QB in 2023 when they thought Pickett was their guy. I do blame them for not doing it in 2024. The moment they'd lost faith in Pickett they should have been exploring that draft class, ideally in the hope of getting a 1st round faller, but also looking at trade ups or a late round dart throw. My guess is they didn't lose faith in Pickett until he said he'd rather be traded than sit behind Wilson at which point it was late in the day, which makes them idiots on multiple levels but there we go, but if they were smart they'd have done something.
But here we are. They didn't do it and are in a hole. They are definitely on a clock for taking shots. I just look at the situation and think that in 2-3 years, are we going to regard doing a shot this year as a better strategy than delaying a year? And I think that at the worst, delaying a year is going to look fine.
When it comes to Smith/Sanders, I feel like Sanders fits pretty well with Smith? A play action/timing based offense in theory fits what Sanders strengths should be. At least I think.
Smiths passing offense should be pretty simple for a rookie QB so I actually kind of like him as the OC early in a QBs career. I’ve seen people describe his passing offense as point and shoot. There’s much to it, which is kind of nice for a young QB to get his feet wet.
Smiths passing offense should be pretty simple for a rookie QB so I actually kind of like him as the OC early in a QBs career. I’ve seen people describe his passing offense as point and shoot. There’s much to it, which is kind of nice for a young QB to get his feet wet.
Empoleon8771
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The common pro comparison I've seen for Sanders is Tua, which I'd be pretty damn happy with as an outcome if I'm drafting a QB at #21. I think Sanders is a bit less turnover prone but is more sack prone, so they're not exactly identical, but I think the comparison is appropriate.
I understand not wanting to take a shot on Dart at #21, but I cannot see a justification for not taking Sanders if he slides to #21. I'm really skeptical Sanders even makes it that far, he's a guy that teams usually have to be picking around #10 or higher to get in the draft. I don't see how he realistically gets by NO at #9, he shouldn't go lower than that.
I think it's a pretty easy argument that you're better off with taking Sanders at #21 this year than packaging their 1st next year with a 2027 1st to trade up to #10 and get a QB next year.
WickedWrister
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I've watched Colorado maybe a half dozen times over the past two years, say what you want about Deion as a coach but he's totally revitalized that program.
I think I said earlier in this thread that I like Shedeur, not sure I love him. I saw good pocket mobility, accuracy, and anticipation. Also saw him take a lot of unnecessary sacks trying to play hero ball (bad scheme + OL doesn't help). Ballsy and doesn't shy away from confrontation - something I could see Tomlin absolutely loving lol. There was also pretty blatant stat padding, I'm not casting judgment but they absolutely let Sanders throw the ball in situations where most teams would run out the clock.
I don't think he's a top 5 or even top 10 talent in this already poor class but pick 21 seems like good value to me. The fact that he's willing to come here and take a visit should also be viewed favorably I guess.
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I think I said earlier in this thread that I like Shedeur, not sure I love him. I saw good pocket mobility, accuracy, and anticipation. Also saw him take a lot of unnecessary sacks trying to play hero ball (bad scheme + OL doesn't help). Ballsy and doesn't shy away from confrontation - something I could see Tomlin absolutely loving lol. There was also pretty blatant stat padding, I'm not casting judgment but they absolutely let Sanders throw the ball in situations where most teams would run out the clock.
I don't think he's a top 5 or even top 10 talent in this already poor class but pick 21 seems like good value to me. The fact that he's willing to come here and take a visit should also be viewed favorably I guess.
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Well if he’s used to an awful, non-pro-style offense he should fit in really well with the Steelers under Tomlin lol…
Empoleon8771
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Yeah from what I can tell, Sanders feels like a QB prospect that should actually be going in the 15-20 range in the draft. QBs always get overdrafted and it costs a fortune to trade up, so him somehow falling to 21 would be really good value for the Steelers. That's a big reason why I don't think he makes it to the Steelers, I can't see a way that someone doesn't trade up to the 10-12 range if New Orleans passes on him. It would be so odd to see him somehow slide to #21 after the QB draft picks last year.
I think the debate is which one of these two options do you like more:
1. Likely using the 2027 1st to trade up in the 2026 1st to get a QB
2. Take Sanders in 2025 1st
Where Sanders is falling in 2025 determines which one of #1 or #2 I think is the correct option here. The max I'd be willing to pay to trade up to get Sanders is a 2026 3rd, which I figure only gets them to maybe #17 or #18 in the draft.
