OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Off Season We dont need a QB Edition

[MrBrightside]

 

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This picture totally describes Steelers media.

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That fat f*** is on McAfee’s show all the time too

 

[ImporterExporter]

This picture totally describes Steelers media.

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I can f***ing hear this picture.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

I'm not sure I see a team that makes sense to trade down with to get another 2nd rounder. Fair value would be something like 21 for 40 and 60, but I don't see any teams with 2 picks in that range that make sense. I think 21 to Seattle for 50 and 52 seems like the most fair value there.

I could see something like trading with the Giants for them to move up into the 1st round to draft Dart, something like 21 for 34 and 65. That's not getting an extra 2nd back, but it's getting the #1 pick in round 3.

It’s not necessary fair value but on draft simulator sites sometimes buffalo or kc over their 2nd for my 4th. It’s more common i end up an with an additional 3rd and i use that to trade into the 2nd especially with comp picks. Or i trade down with Houston pick up a 3rd and trade down again still end up with Nolan Harmon or Grant 2 3 and 2 4s package the extra picks to get a 2nd

 

[pistolpete11]

I actually do agree with this. If they knew they weren't going to offer Moore and they thought it'd be better for Jones to be on his natural side, that should have happened. Not like Moore was a James Daniels type where there would have been a noticeable drop down from Daniels to McCormick.

The drop, if any, at LT wouldn't have been a good reason to not do it.

The drop at RT I'm less sure about. Seems like Moore couldn't play RT and I don't know who their backup T was. Anderson? Not sure how that would have gone in the long run. Don't care about the NHALS aspect, but you've got to at least be functional to develop the rest of the offense.

What's unforgivable, if I am remembering correctly, is that they were planning on starting Moore-Fautanu. Should have been Jones-Fautanu for the reason you stated.

 

[OnMyOwn]

That fat f*** is on McAfee’s show all the time too

He works for him haha

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Yes the jets are dysfunctional and the owners son was trying to run the team based on madden ratings. The jets don’t have Tomlin it’s Tomlin show and he has guys in place who police the locker room.

Right… the guy who let Deebo sleep in meetings will handle AR…

The f***?

Didn’t DJ throw hands with MT in the locker room and then quit on his team in 2023?

Then we have the Pickens sideshow.

After numerous players said the team quit and had a lack of effort, Tomlin’s big plan was a “hands off approach”

Mike Tomlin uses hands-off approach to solving Steelers locker room woes

When Patrick Queen, Alex Highsmith, Cam Heyward and DeShon Elliott all made comments that questioned unnamed players in the locker room following the 29-10 loss to the Chiefs, it was going to be something for which Mike Tomlin was going to have to address and answer.

www.dkpittsburghsports.com

Yep that will get fruitloop AR under control…

 

[Peat]

Benched Dan Moore to figure out if Jones could play LT. They knew they weren't resigning Moore so by playing Jones they could have determined if they needed to intently address that spot.

But that would require Jones to struggle and would threaten NHALS so we of course didn't see it nor was it ever considered.

That seems to be the exact same thing of just handing him the spot based on minimal evidence on the other side though. Just a year later. I get thinking they should have done it sooner but other than that, I don't get the criticism.

 

[JTG]

PFF released their 2025 Draft Guide and it doesn't make me feel any better about any of the QBs. There is a lot of intangibles, but not a lot of talent. And even Ward who is probably the most talented, he's probably a 3rd or 4th best QB in a normal draft.

I'm not sure I see a team that makes sense to trade down with to get another 2nd rounder. Fair value would be something like 21 for 40 and 60, but I don't see any teams with 2 picks in that range that make sense. I think 21 to Seattle for 50 and 52 seems like the most fair value there.

I could see something like trading with the Giants for them to move up into the 1st round to draft Dart, something like 21 for 34 and 65. That's not getting an extra 2nd back, but it's getting the #1 pick in round 3.

I wonder if KC would have some desire for Queen. Trade 21, 2026 3rd and Queen for 31, their 2nd, and a pick next year.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

PFF released their 2025 Draft Guide and it doesn't make me feel any better about any of the QBs. There is a lot of intangibles, but not a lot of talent. And even Ward who is probably the most talented, he's probably a 3rd or 4th best QB in a normal draft.



I wonder if KC would have some desire for Queen. Trade 21, 2026 3rd and Queen for 31, their 2nd, and a pick next year.

O highly doubt the Steelers are even interested in trading Queen

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

That seems to be the exact same thing of just handing him the spot based on minimal evidence on the other side though. Just a year later. I get thinking they should have done it sooner but other than that, I don't get the criticism.

Because building a football team requires a level of future planning beyond just 1 year band aids.

They needed to know if Jones can handle LT. If he couldn't, they could have slid Moore to that place. Then they could have eyed some LT's in FA and/or the draft.

Now what does it look like? Jones is a HUGE question mark in his ability to man LT.
This is yet another brick in the wall in terms of this team putting players in the wrong positions on Oline

Note Kendrick Green, Dotson, and now this.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

O highly doubt the Steelers are even interested in trading Queen

Agreed. They'd be in the same position as they were before acquiring him.
He's got the green dot and he's performed good enough.

Should they be drafting another Roberts-type (run stuffer) in the later rounds? For sure.

Right now they have a bunch of cover LBers with no one with enough sand in their pants to prevent Henry from running all over this team.

 

[Gallatin]

So let's summarize:

• Steelers make offer
• Rodgers initiated a 6 hr meeting on sahside
• Rodgers bought a bunch of Steelers merch from a local vendor
• Rodgers got together for a staged photo op with Metcalf in LA
• Rodgers put a bid in on a home in Pittsburgh (I heard this one on the fan and couldn't tell if it was real or not)
• Rodgers hasn't signed yet

Why is this whole situation so f***ing weird?

Because it's all about ARod all the time.

 

[Gallatin]

Yes the jets are dysfunctional and the owners son was trying to run the team based on madden ratings. The jets don’t have Tomlin it’s Tomlin show and he has guys in place who police the locker room.

That didn't go so well last year. There was an unusually high amount of drama in the locker rooms. Former Superbowl Steelers have been commenting on it.

 

[WickedWrister]

My whole take on this is that since it appears Rodgers doesn’t seem to be seriously contemplating retirement (although the paparazzi beach pics were funny), there must be some handshake agreement between the two sides.

 

[Gallatin]

I'm not sure I see a team that makes sense to trade down with to get another 2nd rounder. Fair value would be something like 21 for 40 and 60, but I don't see any teams with 2 picks in that range that make sense. I think 21 to Seattle for 50 and 52 seems like the most fair value there.

I could see something like trading with the Giants for them to move up into the 1st round to draft Dart, something like 21 for 34 and 65. That's not getting an extra 2nd back, but it's getting the #1 pick in round 3.

I'm hopeful on the NYG trade idea. Might even be able to get 34+65+105 due to the QB tax.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

My whole take on this is that since it appears Rodgers doesn’t seem to be seriously contemplating retirement (although the paparazzi beach pics were funny), there must be some handshake agreement between the two sides.

I have wondered/suspected the same, The team's statements on the topic have been calm and matter-of-fact, while not suggesting they have moved off AR.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

My whole take on this is that since it appears Rodgers doesn’t seem to be seriously contemplating retirement (although the paparazzi beach pics were funny), there must be some handshake agreement between the two sides.

https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2025/04/01/nfl-owners-meetings-art-rooney-aaron-rodgers/stories/202504010041

 

[Jaded-Fan]

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[Peat]

If I was trying to get Rodgers to play for me but wasn't sure, I'd want to sound calm and reassuring in the media too.

Because building a football team requires a level of future planning beyond just 1 year band aids.

They needed to know if Jones can handle LT. If he couldn't, they could have slid Moore to that place. Then they could have eyed some LT's in FA and/or the draft.

Now what does it look like? Jones is a HUGE question mark in his ability to man LT.
This is yet another brick in the wall in terms of this team putting players in the wrong positions on Oline

Note Kendrick Green, Dotson, and now this.

Thing is, if Jones had played LT last year, and struggled and been taken out for Moore...

... he'd still probably be getting LT this year because nobody wants to write off 1st round talent OL after two years and the other options are unattractive. It's a weak year for LT talent in the draft so you're probably not getting a guy who'd be a better starter immediately, or a guy with a higher ceiling. LT FA is exemplified by Dan Moore getting 20m a year.

I wish they'd switched him earlier. I wish they'd put more emphasis on helping him hit his ceiling. But in terms of planning and the long term future of the Steelers? I don't think it'd have made any difference. Just like how Jones is probably next season's LT barring an incredible catastrophe or an incredible bargain as well. The team has too many holes to get impatient with first round picks.

 

[JTG]

Because building a football team requires a level of future planning beyond just 1 year band aids.

They needed to know if Jones can handle LT. If he couldn't, they could have slid Moore to that place. Then they could have eyed some LT's in FA and/or the draft.

Now what does it look like? Jones is a HUGE question mark in his ability to man LT.
This is yet another brick in the wall in terms of this team putting players in the wrong positions on Oline

Note Kendrick Green, Dotson, and now this.

If Jones busts, something has to happen with this offensive line coaching staff, because that will have made how many OL flops for them? Dotson is the most damning - he came in and played REALLY well and then they f***ed him up. Then he goes to LA and becomes the best G in the league.

Jones coming in as a prospect with a great deal of pedigree flopping would just be a massive nail in the coffin.

O highly doubt the Steelers are even interested in trading Queen

Agreed. They'd be in the same position as they were before acquiring him.
He's got the green dot and he's performed good enough.

Should they be drafting another Roberts-type (run stuffer) in the later rounds? For sure.

Right now they have a bunch of cover LBers with no one with enough sand in their pants to prevent Henry from running all over this team.

I totally forgot they stupidly didn't re-sign Roberts. Woof.

I think Queen did average individually and he totally f***ed the defense up on his worst games. I'd feel much more comfortable Wilson learning how to play with the dot and having Roberts blow guys up in the backfield. Whatever.

 

[JTG]

If I was trying to get Rodgers to play for me but wasn't sure, I'd want to sound calm and reassuring in the media too.



Thing is, if Jones had played LT last year, and struggled and been taken out for Moore...

... he'd still probably be getting LT this year because nobody wants to write off 1st round talent OL after two years and the other options are unattractive. It's a weak year for LT talent in the draft so you're probably not getting a guy who'd be a better starter immediately, or a guy with a higher ceiling. LT FA is exemplified by Dan Moore getting 20m a year.

I wish they'd switched him earlier. I wish they'd put more emphasis on helping him hit his ceiling. But in terms of planning and the long term future of the Steelers? I don't think it'd have made any difference. Just like how Jones is probably next season's LT barring an incredible catastrophe or an incredible bargain as well. The team has too many holes to get impatient with first round picks.

I don't know if Moore beat Jones or if Moore just doesn't play RT and Jones had at UGA. That being said, Moore was preparing to take snaps at RT last year and that never came to fruition.

Who knows. These UGA guys aren't doing it for me.

 

[Factorial]

I don't know if Moore beat Jones or if Moore just doesn't play RT and Jones had at UGA. That being said, Moore was preparing to take snaps at RT last year and that never came to fruition.

Who knows. These UGA guys aren't doing it for me.

Moore was adamant that he couldn't play RT.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Thing is, if Jones had played LT last year, and struggled and been taken out for Moore...

... he'd still probably be getting LT this year because nobody wants to write off 1st round talent OL after two years and the other options are unattractive. It's a weak year for LT talent in the draft so you're probably not getting a guy who'd be a better starter immediately, or a guy with a higher ceiling. LT FA is exemplified by Dan Moore getting 20m a year.

I wish they'd switched him earlier. I wish they'd put more emphasis on helping him hit his ceiling. But in terms of planning and the long term future of the Steelers? I don't think it'd have made any difference. Just like how Jones is probably next season's LT barring an incredible catastrophe or an incredible bargain as well. The team has too many holes to get impatient with first round picks.

I should have emphasized this point more, but my idea is more so aimed at identifying how much of a problem LT might be based on Jones' performance there.

If he cratered, then you have to bust out the checkbook for a the best LT on the market. Perhaps even a high pick.
If he was average, then you can just kind of hold your breath and hope he improves.
If he was great, then you know you've got 2/5 of a line intact for 2025 (I'm including Frazier as a lock).

But as it sits now, we have NO DATA on what Jones will do at LT. None.
All because they didn't want to hurt Dan Moore's feelings or whatever else? That's some bullshit.

It's a myopic approach to coaching both on the position coach as well as Tomlin. It's all about what is right in front of them: gotta get my 9 wins, gotta get my 9 wins.

 

[Peat]

I don't know if Moore beat Jones or if Moore just doesn't play RT and Jones had at UGA. That being said, Moore was preparing to take snaps at RT last year and that never came to fruition.

Who knows. These UGA guys aren't doing it for me.

Iirc, your timeline was slightly off, and Moore started training at RT the off-season that Jones was drafted, not this past one.

This past off-season it sounded like both of Moore beat Jones and Moore is seen as inept as RT (which is a scary thought considering Jones was considered acceptable). I have to admit that, while part of me wishes they'd just crowbarred Jones in, that's somewhat tempered by the criticism of Jones' professionalism through the media. I get wanting a guy who's not working hard to work harder before they reward him. Problem is it's damned if you do and damned if you don't. Right now, the person who can help Jones most is Jones, and it's kind of up to him. I don't think the coaches have helped things but we're at the point where they're at the players' mercy.

And tbh, on that note, I'm not impressed by the Georgia guys either. Feels like it's a program that produces talented kids rather than men, an impression reinforced by chatter whenever I look at draft orientated communities online. Which works great on teams that can provide discipline and victory, and not so hot elsewhere.

I should have emphasized this point more, but my idea is more so aimed at identifying how much of a problem LT might be based on Jones' performance there.

If he cratered, then you have to bust out the checkbook for a the best LT on the market. Perhaps even a high pick.
If he was average, then you can just kind of hold your breath and hope he improves.
If he was great, then you know you've got 2/5 of a line intact for 2025 (I'm including Frazier as a lock).

But as it sits now, we have NO DATA on what Jones will do at LT. None.
All because they didn't want to hurt Dan Moore's feelings or whatever else? That's some bullshit.

It's a myopic approach to coaching both on the position coach as well as Tomlin. It's all about what is right in front of them: gotta get my 9 wins, gotta get my 9 wins.

Since he more or less cratered at RT and still got the nod at LT, I don't think him cratering at LT would have made the blindest bit of difference.