OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Off Season We dont need a QB Edition

A lot of what Najee said is true. I was one of the few saying it before they drafted Najee and Pickett.

The thing is, since Khan took over, there's been a shift. He's at least attempted to address those criticisms.

- They drafted Jones, Fautanu, Frazier, and McCormick, in his first 2 drafts. Shit, you can even throw Washington in there given he's a glorified OL. There's a clear desire to build inside-out now...finally.
- 2 of their bigger FA signings were Daniels and Seumalo.
- They dumped a cancer like DJ and, even thought it took him a year longer than we would have liked, replaced him with DK (who admittedly has some diva WR tendencies himself, but by all accounts works and plays hard).
- They weren't afraid to let Harris walk even though he was a first round pick.
- Whatever you think of him, they went outside the organization to find an OC with some NFL credentials instead of promoting someone from within or getting some failed college OC.

I get it. He hasn't found a QB yet. I'm not sure what option people think they've had the last 2 years, but getting desperate is what gets teams in trouble. Look at Cleveland with Watson or Atlanta with Cousins or the Steelers reaching for Pickett. I'll take patient and flexible over desperate any day of the week.

This will all fall apart if they draft Milroe or Dart or something in the first round, but I think it's pretty clear that they are at least building something now instead of throwing shit against the wall like they did at the end of the old regime. I wish as much as anyone that would mean a new HC, too, but since it's not going to happen, I'm at least optimistic they are building a stronger roster.
 
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I disagree with the bolded as I think the team is swayable by public opinion - see Canada's firing - and that their vision might therefore be affected by it. That's of course their choice but since that's how they seem to feel, they need to be consistent with it.
Huh? I've got no clue what you're trying to say here. Because they were swayed to make the right decision to fire Canada, they now have to be consistent and cave into public pressure again?

No, each decision should be judged on its own merit. Bad decisions should be criticized. Good decisions should be applauded. Firing Canada was good. Over committing to a mediocre QB they don't really believe in because that would appease the fans is bad.
And re the flexibility - yeah you lose a little, but the smart play with a young QB is to have a good bridge anyway, so I'm not sure it'd cost that much more. I'd rather lose a little flexibility on signing guys then compromise on getting the best possible situation for the new dude. Maybe that isn't Fields anyway mind, but if you want the bridge guy to let you pick when you put the new guy in rather than getting forced by poor results, he's probably about as good as there will be.
Well, they ended up with a much less expensive bridge in Rudolph. I don't think any of us really know who would be better for the new guy.

Oh and the bit about complaining about Tomlinball but kinda wishing they'd kept a guy who enabled it around... well, I'll freely admit to being conflicted by wanting to see this thing over but also not being good at rooting against a team I support, even one that I care less about a whole lot less than any other team I've cared about.
Emotionally, I usually end up rooting for them anyway and I'd rather root for Fields than Rodgers. So I agree being torn.

Logically, though, I think it probably is better to have Rodgers for only 1 year, as much as I hate saying that. Especially with Rudolph now under contract for 2 years. And obviously, if they end up signing him to a deal that affects the cap beyond this year, that's f***ing stupid.
 
Heading into the 2024 season, there was talk that we need to win a playoff game or big changes will be made. And shockingly, the Steelers were pummeled. Yet, they still listen to Tomlin and let him act as a f***ing GM.

Now the fan base is ok with punting the QB saga another year. Is this year 7 of the team failing to find a long term solution at QB?

f***ing bananas and so so pathetic. Dog sh*** GM, Coaching staff, awful ownership.

Who is OK with punting? No one is OK with punting an entire season. I think people are OK continuing this demise because we really want to see how bad it can get before something happens.

I think when Dan Martin comes in, Khan moves to the COO role with the organization, Dan M takes Khan's role under Colbert. Weidl becomes GM.

I think the big difference now is media are starting to turn on him, which wasn't the case last season. Rich Eisen will always be Tomlin's biggest fan and even he has questioned if it's time for a change.

The most epic thing to happen would be we bomb and then the heat gets turned up to a point where they trade Tomlin. Have to figured he'd fetch a 1st. At that point dump players like TJ and Minkah. Draft in Pittsburgh.

Anyway...
 
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The most epic thing to happen would be we bomb and then the heat gets turned up to a point where they trade Tomlin. Have to figured he'd fetch a 1st.
Tomlin will never be traded or coach anywhere else. If they tried to trade him, he’d just retire. When his reign of error is finally over here, he’ll go get paid like $250 million to do commentary for prime or Netflix or whoever has NFL rights by then.
 
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Justin Fields went to the Jets for the same reason that LeVeon Bell went to the Jets. And the same reason DK Metcalf is thrilled to be a Steelers even though there’s no one to throw him the ball.

Money. It’s almost always about money.

Or you could dream up some scenario where it's all Tomlin's fault and beat that dead horse in this thread on a daily basis.
 
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Huh? I've got no clue what you're trying to say here. Because they were swayed to make the right decision to fire Canada, they now have to be consistent and cave into public pressure again?

No, each decision should be judged on its own merit. Bad decisions should be criticized. Good decisions should be applauded. Firing Canada was good. Over committing to a mediocre QB they don't really believe in because that would appease the fans is bad.

My point is that since I think they care, I think it matters.

I bring up Canada not as a call for consistency, but as an example of how I think the way it matters to them can shape their actions. Everyone is happy that happened but sloppy process has a way of costing people and organisations. The darkest possibility here - and one that has got some traction from the better mock writers - is that missing out on the free agency QBs they want prompts them into taking a first round QB who then isn't the guy. They gonna do that? I dunno, but if they do, I'd have absolutely wanted them give Fields that money. Heck, I'd be okay if they did that before we even reached that point, simply for the certainty that the position wouldn't be that awful this year.
 
Steelers are looking rather pathetic with this waiting on AR. Just go with Mason, get a back up and stop looking so beta. This team is tone deaf in how ridiculous they look in waiting on a 41 yr old quirky QB.
Cowher made a good point - if Rodgers is waffling and considering retirement, do you really WANT that guy as your starting QB?

I mean, a QB mailing it in is the perfect fit for a HC mailing it in, but other than that....
 
I’m rooting for Najee. Seems like a stand up guy and legitimately tried to be a leader in a locker room full of clowns.

I still remember the story from his rookie year when he asked Tomlin if he had time to watch film with him becuase he was not off to a great start. Tomlin told him no because they believe in him that he’ll figure it out.

A masterful coach indeed.

No time to teach a young player the finer points of the game when you have press conferences to prepare for!
 
Or you could dream up some scenario where it's all Tomlin's fault and beat that dead horse in this thread on a daily basis.

No need to DREAM when we're living in this reality of mediocrity.
If you dislike Mike Sullivan then you better dislike Mike Tomlin- they're the same dude who infects and impacts every single decision this org makes. Generally for the worse.
 
My point is that since I think they care, I think it matters.

I bring up Canada not as a call for consistency, but as an example of how I think the way it matters to them can shape their actions. Everyone is happy that happened but sloppy process has a way of costing people and organisations. The darkest possibility here - and one that has got some traction from the better mock writers - is that missing out on the free agency QBs they want prompts them into taking a first round QB who then isn't the guy. They gonna do that? I dunno, but if they do, I'd have absolutely wanted them give Fields that money. Heck, I'd be okay if they did that before we even reached that point, simply for the certainty that the position wouldn't be that awful this year.
Them taking a beating in the media doesn't matter. Them making a bad decision because of that beating is what would matter. I'm not going to get worked up over hypotheticals.
 
No need to DREAM when we're living in this reality of mediocrity.
If you dislike Mike Sullivan then you better dislike Mike Tomlin- they're the same dude who infects and impacts every single decision this org makes. Generally for the worse.

I’m indifferent on Sullivan but at least he’s done something meaningful IN THE LAST DECADE.
 
Cowher made a good point - if Rodgers is waffling and considering retirement, do you really WANT that guy as your starting QB?

I mean, a QB mailing it in is the perfect fit for a HC mailing it in, but other than that....
Rodgers did tell the jets he wanted to play 1 more season when they cut him
 
Them taking a beating in the media doesn't matter. Them making a bad decision because of that beating is what would matter. I'm not going to get worked up over hypotheticals.

Is turning 2 years 30m into 2 years 40m really such a bad decision though? Would you have got worked up if the Steelers have given Fields that?

I don't think I would have, which is why I'm a bit down on this. They didn't avoid a bad decision, they avoided what looks like at most a meh decision for... what? Not overpaying? Some flexibility that they may or may not use wiser or stupider than not paying Fields?
 
Honestly just give Rodgers a 1 year, $30 million deal and end this nonsense. I don’t like him as a person or the circus that comes with him, but just give him a deal to end the saga
 
Honestly just give Rodgers a 1 year, $30 million deal and end this nonsense. I don’t like him as a person or the circus that comes with him, but just give him a deal to end the saga
I don't think it's about money for Rodgers. And besides, what deadline is there? There's no other QB's really left in FA and we got our insurance plan in Rudolph (however you feel about that). Russ signed 3 days after he visited last year, so I'd expect a similar timeline. He can go home and think about it or whatever. The only soft deadline is the draft I guess.

 
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Terrible… just terrible take by Ryan Clark. Unfireable?



The Tomlin defenders are living in the Twilight Zone.

Tomlin is not some legendary coach.

He’s literally a John Fox…

Only difference is one guy was hired by the Rooneys and one guy actually has a winning post season record.
 
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