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OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Off Season We dont need a QB Edition

bigdaddyk88 said:
Plenty of guys tested free agency and decided to take the Steelers offer and returned. If the Steelers offered identical guaranteed money sure you would have a point.
No one is worried about AR he could very easily decide to retire. It’s funny that Sly signed her because of Tomlin and Austin
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Plenty of guys have signed with the Steelers/other teams and never tested FA - in fact way more are in this category than guys who go to market and return.

It doesn’t matter if we care about AR coming to the Steelers - it matters WHY the Vikings are where he’d rather be than playing for Tomlin.

Harris’ and Fields’ recent comments are more indictments of why skill players want nothing to do with this org or Tomlin’s train wreck offense.

This is no longer the premiere org players want to play for - the once legendary Steelers mystique has been slowly eroded away by Tomlin and AR2’s incompetence over the last 15 years.

Now they are sitting at the kid’s table with the likes of the Browns and Jets while the Eagles have stolen their identity and have fans like you calling it silly shit like the “Eagles Way”.

It’s pretty sad, actually.

Tomlin Purgatory.
 
I think in terms of the appeal of the Steelers you can almost treat offence and defence like totally different teams.

The defence regularly gets names. It gets people taking less to play here. It gets people excited about the coaches and the people here. It is treated like a serious brand.

The offence struggles to get guys without being the highest bidder. It does get some guys occasionally, but rarely top end. There's a lot of complaining. It is treated like a Jets/Browns type operation.
 
Rodgers wanting Minnesota doesn’t bother me they play a ton of indoor games and he would get multiple games against the packers and bears.
He is also 41 and might not want to fully commit to another season
 
bigdaddyk88 said:
Rodgers wanting Minnesota doesn’t bother me they play a ton of indoor games and he would get multiple games against the packers and bears.
He is also 41 and might not want to fully commit to another season
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Tomlin has had ONE good season over the last FOURTEEN years (2016).

AR2 giving an incompetent coach like him absolute power has destroyed what this org once was.

That’s why even Bears and Jets castoff QBs don’t want to play for the Pgh Steelers.

That’s the very sad reality we are in as Steeler fans, but you just don’t want to face it.
 
Who had sign Mason Rudolph as starter this season on their bingo card?
 
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The Steelers aren't the premiere organization they once were. I don't know how anyone could argue otherwise.

When it comes to Fields, though? I dunno. It's not like the Steelers made a full court press to keep him and he told them to go pound sand. If they really wanted to keep him, they would have labeled him as the guy and probably worked something out. Instead, they p***yfooted around all offseason saying they'd prefer to keep Fields or Russ and then leaks started happening that they wanted to talk to Darnold and Rodgers and that the Steelers wouldn't guarantee Fields the starting job. Meanwhile, the Jets came in, offered more money, more guaranteed money, and said "You're our guy". So he jumped at the opportunity. Who can blame him? Spinning that as the Steelers are so pathetic nobody wants to play for them....yeah...I dunno about that.

If you want to say the Steelers are pathetic and botched the situation... sure, I guess, if you believe the Steelers really wanted him back. I think they were happy to bring him back, but only on a bargain contract and they were fine to risk losing him to make it a bargain.

The comments Fields made are being blown waaaay out of proportion, if not flat out talked about in bad faith. He didn't say anything about Tomlin or the Steelers. He praised his new head coach. That only happens with, I dunno, every free agent signing ever? DK said "I felt ecstatic just to hear about the Steelers." Gainwell said, "I love the toughness of this team, the toughness of this brand of football. And really, just Coach Mike Tomlin, I grew up watching the Steelers every Sunday, seeing the Steelers on TV and that just really drew my interest."....this is not to say anything of the Steelers or Tomlin. It's to say these comments don't mean shit. It's PR. People that take these comments as a sign of something are kidding themselves...or trying to push an agenda.
 
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So Metcalf was coach numb nut’s decision? Same goes for the Rodgers drama.

What exactly does Khan do? I honestly picture him sitting in a children’s desk in the corner of coach Tomlin’s office.
 
Fields told the truth - again people just want to dance around it… call it PR or whatever makes them feel better about losing a Bears castoff.

The owner of the team and the GM openly spoke about their preferences to bring him back, and he simply didn’t want to be a Steeler.

The writing was on the wall before FA hit and some fans were still in denial about what was about to go down.

When you can’t keep a castoff QB from a team that hasn’t developed a QB in the last 40 years, and your owner openly talks about wanting him back - that’s embarrassing as hell for an org.

It’s just mind boggling the hoops some fans will jump through to try and reason away the obvious issue is Tomlin.

And they will twist themselves in a pretzel to excuse away how Harris flat out told us the offense has no identity and is lost.

Who controls that offense?

Who hires the OCs?

There was no succession plan at QB.

They have been trying to become a running team for 6 years now and failed miserably at it.

This is exactly what Harris was telling us, and even if he was part of the problem, guess who drafted him?
 
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Mr Jiggyfly said:
The owner of the team and the GM openly spoke about their preferences to bring him back, and he simply didn’t want to be a Steeler.
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They also spoke a bunch about their support for Pickett until they replaced him.

Gushed about Harris without ever trying to sign him.

This team has a weird addiction saying a bunch of stuff about players and then not following through. A team can talk all day about how much they like a player but if they don't offer the money and promises, that means a hell of a lot more.

And the Steelers didn't.
 
They never said Fields was their guy. They said their preference was to keep Fields OR Russ. Considering how the season ended with Russ, not exactly high praise for Fields.

What's mind boggling is people getting bent out of shape over losing Justin Fields and Najee Harris.
 
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Peat said:
They also spoke a bunch about their support for Pickett until they replaced him.

Gushed about Harris without ever trying to sign him.

This team has a weird addiction saying a bunch of stuff about players and then not following through. A team can talk all day about how much they like a player but if they don't offer the money and promises, that means a hell of a lot more.

And the Steelers didn't.
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And drafting a QB in the first round and trading him after two seasons was a bad look for the org that has now put them in this comical situation.

This is two off-seasons in a row where the org has looked incompetent, and the Steelers have always been extremely anal about their public image.

And none of this has anything to do with Harris speaking the truth - the offense has been a mess for six years and while he was part of the problem, that doesn’t change the meaning behind his words.
 
Justin Fields went to the Jets for the same reason that LeVeon Bell went to the Jets. And the same reason DK Metcalf is thrilled to be a Steelers even though there’s no one to throw him the ball.

Money. It’s almost always about money.
 
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pistolpete11 said:
If you want to say the Steelers are pathetic and botched the situation... sure, I guess, if you believe the Steelers really wanted him back. I think they were happy to bring him back, but only on a bargain contract and they were fine to risk losing him to make it a bargain.
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I am very much in two minds about this. Part of me is fine with it.

Part of me does think it's a bit pathetic. I don't think the Steelers really wanted him back, judging from the money, but they kind of let it look that way in the media and they do look a bit pathetic from that angle. Calling your shot and missing is always going to be a bit pathetic, even if the call didn't look completely serious.

And the part where they're there crossing their fingers that washed ARod chooses them as a result is also a bit pathetic.

Plus... that 10m extra guaranteed is a lot for the player, and chunky for who Fields is... but given the Steelers' overall budget, it's also a bit who cares in isolation. It feels like a bit of a promise that Fields starts 2 years rather than 1 but again, who cares? They're unlikely to have a guy who should absolutely be starting ahead of Fields in a year.

*shrugs* I'm gonna wait or see, but if they end up on QB target C and finally have a substandard year, the knives will be well and truly out. If I was in their shoes, would I avoid that negative PR for what's effectively not a whole lot? I'm not high on Fields, but part of me thinks that would have been the smart call.
 
They're both capable quarterbacks, and my preference would be to sign one of them," Rooney said. "So that'll be the priority, and I think that will give us the best opportunity to move forward.
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Rooney’s words.

Preference. Priority.

This is and has always been about the incompetence of this org under Tomlin thru Ar2 negligence.

It’s not hard to see this has nothing to do with losing some former bust from the Bears.

It’s just one more link in the chain of 14 years of org incompetence that has put them in this sad state, waiting on some fruitloop QB to save their season.
 
Mr Jiggyfly said:
This is exactly what Harris was telling us, and even if he was part of the problem, guess who drafted him?
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I’m rooting for Najee. Seems like a stand up guy and legitimately tried to be a leader in a locker room full of clowns.

I still remember the story from his rookie year when he asked Tomlin if he had time to watch film with him becuase he was not off to a great start. Tomlin told him no because they believe in him that he’ll figure it out.

A masterful coach indeed.
 
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Peat said:
I am very much in two minds about this. Part of me is fine with it.

Part of me does think it's a bit pathetic. I don't think the Steelers really wanted him back, judging from the money, but they kind of let it look that way in the media and they do look a bit pathetic from that angle. Calling your shot and missing is always going to be a bit pathetic, even if the call didn't look completely serious.

And the part where they're there crossing their fingers that washed ARod chooses them as a result is also a bit pathetic.

Plus... that 10m extra guaranteed is a lot for the player, and chunky for who Fields is... but given the Steelers' overall budget, it's also a bit who cares in isolation. It feels like a bit of a promise that Fields starts 2 years rather than 1 but again, who cares? They're unlikely to have a guy who should absolutely be starting ahead of Fields in a year.

*shrugs* I'm gonna wait or see, but if they end up on QB target C and finally have a substandard year, the knives will be well and truly out. If I was in their shoes, would I avoid that negative PR for what's effectively not a whole lot? I'm not high on Fields, but part of me thinks that would have been the smart call.
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They are certainly taking a beating from the media and some fans who I guess think they are contenders in 2025 :dunno: , but so what? It doesn't mean anything. What matters is actually having a vision to build a Super Bowl contender and how they execute on it. I don't agree with everything they have done (or haven't done), but I just don't see how anyone thinks Justin Fields or Aaron Rodgers matter one way or another in that plan.

I also find it extremely rich that many of the people who bitch about Tomlinball and Tomlin Purgatory are now the same people who are upset they lost out on a QB who would most allow them to play Tomlinball and stay in Tomlin Purgatory.

Regarding the $10M extra guaranteed to Fields, I will always preface stuff like this with the acknowledgement that I don't understand the NFL salary cap, but I'm not so sure it's about the money. They have the money. I think they are trying to stay as flexible as possible for next offseason. Assuming they get their QB in the draft, they can then splash around some money in FA to fill CB or DL or whatever other holes they have at the time and take full advantage spending like $5M total or whatever on their 2 QBs. $10M isn't much for a QB, but that could be the difference between landing a starter at another position or not.
 
SomeDude said:
I still remember the story from his rookie year when he asked Tomlin if he had time to watch film with him becuase he was not off to a great start. Tomlin told him no because they believe in him that he’ll figure it out.

A masterful coach indeed.
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The man just spoke his truth, but his words will be pushed aside by many Steeler fans because he wasn’t a star player and claim he has a beef with the org or whatever excuse makes them feel better.

Harris was telling us this stuff the last couple years, so it’s not like he’s some disgruntled former player.

Just how fans of this team are - they will tell themselves this is about losing a bust like Fields so they feel better, because facing how bad things have become is too hard for them.

They simply can’t connect the dots that incompetent decisions five yrs ago is chasing the desperation now - and the org has become such a clown show that they have Bears and Jets castoffs not wanting to play for them.
 
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Heading into the 2024 season, there was talk that we need to win a playoff game or big changes will be made. And shockingly, the Steelers were pummeled. Yet, they still listen to Tomlin and let him act as a f***ing GM.

Now the fan base is ok with punting the QB saga another year. Is this year 7 of the team failing to find a long term solution at QB?

f***ing bananas and so so pathetic. Dog sh*** GM, Coaching staff, awful ownership.
 
xlm34 said:
Justin Fields went to the Jets for the same reason that LeVeon Bell went to the Jets. And the same reason DK Metcalf is thrilled to be a Steelers even though there’s no one to throw him the ball.

Money. It’s almost always about money.
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There have been competing rumors about Fields and money.

The first leaks were that the Steelers went cheap on Fields:


There have been some recent pushback rumors/leaks that the Steelers offer was "competitive":

sports.yahoo.com

Justin Fields Reveals Why He Signed with Jets over Steelers

Former Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Justin Fields signed a two-year, $40 million contract with the New York Jets last week in
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Who knows which is true? What I do know is that Tomlin has made the Steelers' offense unwatchable and unattractive to players with his defense first, second third and one hundredth approach to a game plan.

No offensive player who gives a damn about their performance, not to mention a goal of a Superbowl, can watch what has been going on and give anything up for coming to the Steelers. Money may be the ultimate end game for players, but Tomlin's constant interference in the offense is certainly not helping.
 
pistolpete11 said:
They are certainly taking a beating from the media and some fans who I guess think they are contenders in 2025 :dunno: , but so what? It doesn't mean anything. What matters is actually having a vision to build a Super Bowl contender and how they execute on it. I don't agree with everything they have done (or haven't done), but I just don't see how anyone thinks Justin Fields or Aaron Rodgers matter one way or another in that plan.

I also find it extremely rich that many of the people who bitch about Tomlinball and Tomlin Purgatory are now the same people who are upset they lost out on a QB who would most allow them to play Tomlinball and stay in Tomlin Purgatory.

Regarding the $10M extra guaranteed to Fields, I will always preface stuff like this with the acknowledgement that I don't understand the NFL salary cap, but I'm not so sure it's about the money. They have the money. I think they are trying to stay as flexible as possible for next offseason. Assuming they get their QB in the draft, they can then splash around some money in FA to fill CB or DL or whatever other holes they have at the time and take full advantage spending like $5M total or whatever on their 2 QBs. $10M isn't much for a QB, but that could be the difference between landing a starter at another position or not.
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I disagree with the bolded as I think the team is swayable by public opinion - see Canada's firing - and that their vision might therefore be affected by it. That's of course their choice but since that's how they seem to feel, they need to be consistent with it.

And re the flexibility - yeah you lose a little, but the smart play with a young QB is to have a good bridge anyway, so I'm not sure it'd cost that much more. I'd rather lose a little flexibility on signing guys then compromise on getting the best possible situation for the new dude. Maybe that isn't Fields anyway mind, but if you want the bridge guy to let you pick when you put the new guy in rather than getting forced by poor results, he's probably about as good as there will be.

Oh and the bit about complaining about Tomlinball but kinda wishing they'd kept a guy who enabled it around... well, I'll freely admit to being conflicted by wanting to see this thing over but also not being good at rooting against a team I support, even one that I care less about a whole lot less than any other team I've cared about.
 
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