OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: No 3peat for the Swifts

[Peat]

Re a bunch of stuff on the last couple pages

- Yeah, QBs get overdrafted a lot and it only takes one team. As public rankings go, it'd be an eyebrow raising overdraft if Dart even made the first round at all. Yeah, I know we're told some teams have Dart as QB2, but then we're also told some teams have Sanders as a second rounder, so it's very possible the teams who like Dart better don't regard him as a top 10 QB.

So Dart going in the top 10? Let's hope so as it aids the Steelers but there's zero current evidence for it other than "crazier things have happened".

- I will wait and see how the Fields story ends but if the team genuinely has a preference for him, it'd genuinely be a wtf moment if he slips elsewhere. No amount of gussying things up with the fact he's not that good or that QB turnover happens a lot will change that.

- Ditto if they lose Wilson as well

- If they draft Milroe before day 3, the amount of active malice I wish on this team will only increase.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

No it wouldn’t be embarrassing if he went to the jets. People act like he is some sort of special Qb. He is an elite runner but that’s it

One of the rare things we have ever agreed on is that Fields isn’t the answer. So I would literally just laugh at Tomlin not being able to land his man because - the Jets!

It’s the Jets dude - even you can’t find a silly ass excuse to make that less embarrassing.

Tomlin has had a guy want to get away from him so badly he was fine being a backup - but at least you could excuse that away some because it was a SB contender and his childhood team.

But when a guy mistrusts you so much that he’d rather go to the Jets…

That’s humiliating as hell.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

One of the rare things we have ever agreed on is that Fields isn’t the answer. So I would literally just laugh at Tomlin not being able to land his man because - the Jets!

It’s the Jets dude - even you can’t find a silly ass excuse to make that less embarrassing.

Tomlin has had a guy want to get away from him so badly he was fine being a backup - but at least you could excuse that away some because it was a SB contender and his childhood team.

But when a guy mistrusts you so much that he’d rather go to the Jets…

That’s humiliating as hell.

We don’t even know what the jets might actually offer. We don’t know what the Steelers are offering. I am assuming 2/30 20 million guaranteed which means he would be guaranteed to have pole position here and be given the opportunity to start week 1. Colbert famously let guys test the market and decide to match so the players didn’t feel undervalued.
To me there’s no difference between Fields Winston Jones. I don’t want RW back and he could be without a home.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I’m still wondering about how the Sanders situation plays out. If he starts slipping and he’s available at like #10 overall, I think you have to legitimately consider trading up to get him. I’m not 100% sold on Sanders, but I wouldn’t have an issue with keeping Wilson and using the 1st to draft Sanders.

I think that would mostly result in you drafting a DL in round 2 and a RB in round 3, but this draft is deep enough in those two that I think you can still get a quality player at those positions if you do that.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

We don’t even know what the jets might actually offer. We don’t know what the Steelers are offering. I am assuming 2/30 20 million guaranteed which means he would be guaranteed to have pole position here and be given the opportunity to start week 1. Colbert famously let guys test the market and decide to match so the players didn’t feel undervalued.
To me there’s no difference between Fields Winston Jones. I don’t want RW back and he could be without a home.

I’m sure deep inside you know this isn’t as much about the money as it is a trust issue.

There is a disturbing pattern here even you have to acknowledge…

MT, MR, and KP all made it known they didn’t trust Tomlin and felt he lied to them, or misled them, betrayed them, whatever you will.

Now Fields is clearly feeling the same way and doesn’t trust Tomlin.

Say what you will about these guys, but it’s a clear pattern now that Tomlin’s actions and words are making so many of his QBs want to get as far away from him as possible.

That doesn’t speak well to Tomlin or the trust he builds with his QBs.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

I’m sure deep inside you know this isn’t as much about the money as it is a trust issue.

There is a disturbing pattern here even you have to acknowledge…

MT, MR, and KP all made it known they didn’t trust Tomlin and felt he lied to them, or misled them, betrayed them, whatever you will.

Now Fields is clearly feeling the same way and doesn’t trust Tomlin.

Say what you will about these guys, but it’s a clear pattern now that Tomlin’s actions and words are making so many of his QBs want to get as far away from him as possible.

That doesn’t speak well to Tomlin or the trust he builds with his QBs.

I don’t understand everyone in the organization said they would bring in competition for Kp after he was benched and KP was fine when he thought it was going to be MR. MT was giving the captain title started the entire camp and played bad as the starter and as the backup when Kp was hurt. Mason had 5 years and showed minimum improvement. No one is going to guarantee anything to JF. I am not losing any sleep over whatever decision Fields makes

 

[xlm34]

This would be great for a comp pick, but it’s also exhibit A on why you don’t want to rely on free agency to build your offense.

 

[JTG]

That's a 3rd round comp, for sure. Our comps in 27 should be really good because we are losing starters and replacing them from within.

 

[MrBrightside]

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

I don’t understand everyone in the organization said they would bring in competition for Kp after he was benched and KP was fine when he thought it was going to be MR. MT was giving the captain title started the entire camp and played bad as the starter and as the backup when Kp was hurt. Mason had 5 years and showed minimum improvement. No one is going to guarantee anything to JF. I am not losing any sleep over whatever decision Fields makes

I don’t know how to get this across any clearer - I’m not a Fields guy, so trying to touch on any point of contention about me caring if he comes back is fruitless.

If Fields comes back or leaves it makes little difference to me - I know where things are heading next season, no matter who their QB is.

I’m pointing out 4 QBs in short order all had trust issues with Tomlin.

Fields leaving, especially for the Jets (lol), really would cement the point that Tomlin has no idea how to earn the trust of his QBs.

If you can’t understand how that’s a huge issue, you have your head in the sand.

 

[End of Line]

Man…. Combine this contract and Crosby’s I imagine TJ is just salivating

 

[xlm34]

Goddamn that’s insane. Waiting to sign guys that you know you’re going to sign is dumb for that reason. A 35 million dollar contract for Watt is now going to probably cost 41 million.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

I don’t know how to get this across any clearer - I’m not a Fields guy, so trying to touch on any point of contention about me caring if he comes back is fruitless.

If Fields comes back or leaves it makes little difference to me - I know where things are heading next season, no matter who their QB is.

I’m pointing out 4 QBs in short order all had trust issues with Tomlin.

Fields leaving, especially for the Jets (lol), really would cement the point that Tomlin has no idea how to earn the trust of his QBs.

If you can’t understand how that’s a huge issue, you have your head in the sand.

Dude who cares if 4 career backup QBs continue their career elsewhere as backup qbs. We are in the business of rinsing and replacing failed starters until they draft the franchise qb. None of them earned 100 percent trust from anyone

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Goddamn that’s insane. Waiting to sign guys that you know you’re going to sign is dumb for that reason. A 35 million dollar contract for Watt is now going to probably cost 41 million.

I do find it funny a week ago Miles wanted a trade

 

[Peat]

This would be great for a comp pick, but it’s also exhibit A on why you don’t want to rely on free agency to build your offense.

That's a 3rd round comp, for sure. Our comps in 27 should be really good because we are losing starters and replacing them from within.

Problem is that when a team has 60.5m to spend in FA, it's tough to end up on the right side of the formula.



Also, with that potential Watt contract, I'm now kinda wondering whether it happens. I know it almost certainly does but the sudden increase has me wondering whether they go "actually, hang on".

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Dude who cares if 4 career backup QBs continue their career elsewhere as backup qbs. We are in the business of rinsing and replacing failed starters until they draft the franchise qb. None of them earned 100 percent trust from anyone

They are in the business of losing a record amount of playoff games, actually.

Having these QBs wanting to get away from Tomlin is part of a bigger issue.

1 guy is a one off… 4 guys - that’s a trend and troubling.

Ultimately if you want to make the “these guys blow so bad” argument, then explain why is Tomlin bringing them in/drafting them?

Not only has he grossly mismanaged the QB position since Roth retired, as I’ll keep pounding home until you are sick of reading it - he hasn’t developed any impact players aside from Watt in a dozen years.

Everything. Goes. Back. To. Tomlin.

Because. He’s. A. Fraud.

 

[Shockmaster]

They are in the business of losing a record amount of playoff games, actually.

Having these QBs wanting to get away from Tomlin is part of a bigger issue.

1 guy is a one off… 4 guys - that’s a trend and troubling.

Ultimately if you want to make the “these guys blow so bad” argument, then explain why is Tomlin bringing them in/drafting them?

Not only has he grossly mismanaged the QB position since Roth retired, as I’ll keep pounding home until you are sick of reading it - he hasn’t developed any impact players aside from Watt in a dozen years.

Everything. Goes. Back. To. Tomlin.

Because. He’s. A. Fraud.

That's not wrong, but you also can't ignore the Steelers' philosophy on offense is stuck in the 70's. Why would any skill player on offense want to play for the Steelers?

Now I'm sure yinzers would respond by saying "LOOK AT HOW MUCH DA STILLERZ THREW N'AT!" Which is true.... after they were down multiple possessions because they played the run-run-pass-punt offense for a half.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

They are in the business of losing a record amount of playoff games, actually.

Having these QBs wanting to get away from Tomlin is part of a bigger issue.

1 guy is a one off… 4 guys - that’s a trend and troubling.

Ultimately if you want to make the “these guys blow so bad” argument, then explain why is Tomlin bringing them in/drafting them?

Not only has he grossly mismanaged the QB position since Roth retired, as I’ll keep pounding home until you are sick of reading it - he hasn’t developed any impact players aside from Watt in a dozen years.

Everything. Goes. Back. To. Tomlin.

Because. He’s. A. Fraud.

RW and JF were brought in because they were dirt cheap. Kp was the consensus best qb in his class and MT was a former top pick.
If the Steelers offered 100-3 to fields today he would gladly take it
Yes Tomlin drags teams who don’t belong in the playoffs and they lose. Most folks could not stomach a 6 win season even if it led to a Ben

 

[bigdaddyk88]

That's not wrong, but you also can't ignore the Steelers' philosophy on offense is stuck in the 70's. Why would any skill player on offense want to play for the Steelers?

Now I'm sure yinzers would respond by saying "LOOK AT HOW MUCH DA STILLERZ THREW N'AT!" Which is true.... after they were down multiple possessions because they played the run-run-pass-punt offense for a half.

We did just see a run 1st team win a Super Bowl

 

[Shockmaster]

We did just see a run 1st team win a Super Bowl

Yep, and the Eagles are the exception and not the rule. Even so, the Eagles are still very creative on offense and aren't afraid to take shots downfield. The Steelers are nowhere close to being what the Eagles are.

 

[xlm34]

That's not wrong, but you also can't ignore the Steelers' philosophy on offense is stuck in the 70's. Why would any skill player on offense want to play for the Steelers?

Now I'm sure yinzers would respond by saying "LOOK AT HOW MUCH DA STILLERZ THREW N'AT!" Which is true.... after they were down multiple possessions because they played the run-run-pass-punt offense for a half.

For the same reason Myles Garrett just signed with the Browns after insisting he wanted to leave to win Super Bowls. Money.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Yep, and the Eagles are the exception and not the rule. Even so, the Eagles are still very creative on offense and aren't afraid to take shots downfield. The Steelers are nowhere close to being what the Eagles are.

The eagles aren’t creative at all. It’s a ton of rpo half field reads. They have AJ who you can’t play m2m against. Buffalo Is Bmore run 1st teams. Only 3 playoff teams were not run 1st they have Maholmes Daniels and Stroud

 

[Peat]

I’m still wondering about how the Sanders situation plays out. If he starts slipping and he’s available at like #10 overall, I think you have to legitimately consider trading up to get him. I’m not 100% sold on Sanders, but I wouldn’t have an issue with keeping Wilson and using the 1st to draft Sanders.

I think that would mostly result in you drafting a DL in round 2 and a RB in round 3, but this draft is deep enough in those two that I think you can still get a quality player at those positions if you do that.

After a quick look at previous trades, I think that costs you next year's 1st or a serious player. Happy with that?

 

[Empoleon8771]

After a quick look at previous trades, I think that costs you next year's 1st or a serious player. Happy with that?

That's a fair guess based on the Bears trading up for Fields in 2021, it was #20, a 2022 1st, a 4th and 5th for #11.

I don't see much of a difference between trading up this year and next year. This team won't be bad enough to be in a position to get a good QB prospect with their own 1st, so they'll likely have to trade 2 1sts to trade up to get whatever QB they want whenever they do it.

 

[Ulf5]

For the same reason Myles Garrett just signed with the Browns after insisting he wanted to leave to win Super Bowls. Money.

Which I don't understand. He could've got paid anywhere.