OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: New Quarter Backs for the Handball team!

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Jaded-Fan

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Sounds like someone is jealous that Fields still has an NFL job.
If I read the bitterness correctly, it certainly wasn't aimed at Fields. It would be at the Steelers for not giving in to his, in hindsight, outrageous demands.

I will say again, it sounded that way to me.

If I am wrong, then I am being unfair to him. But that is the thing with the internet or any writing. Hard to correctly do more than guess at tone.

But as some say above, why would he even care about the second-string quarterback at this point anyways?
 

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It's social media, Jaded. People scroll down, see something they find mildly interesting, then shoot something into the void about it. Whether they actually care about it for more than 30 seconds is usually uncertain.
 

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I don't think you have to have a pro or anti Fields stance to make comments on videos on Twitter :laugh:

To me, my initial thought on those videos were "it's weird for how late the ball seems to be getting there". Maybe that was the point of the drill and it wasn't about getting the ball there as it would be in serious games, who knows? But I think people can have opinions without having a bias against them.
 
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If I read the bitterness correctly, it certainly wasn't aimed at Fields. It would be at the Steelers for not giving in to his, in hindsight, outrageous demands.

I will say again, it sounded that way to me.

If I am wrong, then I am being unfair to him. But that is the thing with the internet or any writing. Hard to correctly do more than guess at tone.

But as some say above, why would he even care about the second-string quarterback at this point anyways?

That probably makes more sense. As in, he's taking a shot at what he perceives to be a questionable decision by the franchise he believes to have wronged him.

What's the harm in trusting the judgement of someone that thought they could put out a successful rap album? I hear his next one is so exclusive you'll only be able to pick it up from a vendor working out of the back of their '03 Pontiac Aztec.
 
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Can we nip this one in the bud please. Here's some of the articles about Bell's public statements last year




This idea that Bell is publicly bitter towards the Steelers or believes they wrong him is, bluntly, bollocks. The idea that if he speaks about the Steelers it's to cast shade or take shots does not stand up to scrutiny. I've no idea why some people are so ready to believe this is the case but there's far more evidence against it than for it.
 
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I'm still mildly surprised they've outright told Daniels that they won't be extending him. Am I shocked? Certainly not. He's almost guaranteed a substantial raise and he wasn't brought in by Khan and Co.
It's definitely a good spot to save cap on next season if you have a suitable replacement in position. And they should get decent compensation for him signing elsewhere as an ufa or by trading his rights sometime before that point.
But they don't even know what they have yet in Mccormick and/or Anderson let alone anyone else.
 

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I'm still mildly surprised they've outright told Daniels that they won't be extending him. Am I shocked? Certainly not. He's almost guaranteed a substantial raise and he wasn't brought in by Khan and Co.
It's definitely a good spot to save cap on next season if you have a suitable replacement in position. And they should get decent compensation for him signing elsewhere as an ufa or by trading his rights sometime before that point.
But they don't even know what they have yet in Mccormick and/or Anderson let alone anyone else.

Yeah I’m a little surprised that they aren’t even considering it. He’s rock solid and is young enough to be with this current group for a while.

One of the things I was thinking was that maybe they’re a bit hesitant to start handing out extensions with the total unknowns at the QB and WR spot moving forward. That’s a lot of money they need to keep potentially open for next season.
 

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Yeah $9m is a higher AAV than I was expecting for Stevenson. Najee's agent will surely try to use this contract as a benchmark. We all know how depressed the RB market is, but it's crazy that like the 7th or 8th highest paid RB = Allen Lazard WR $$$

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Makes me think they should have just picked up his option.

Yeah.

At this point they're going to get a worse deal or have to draft a guy. I've heard it's a good year for RBs, but I'd still rather not be locked into having to make a move there.

That said, there seems to be

a) A sense it was about more than the money with Harris
b) A sense that they are trying to preserve a lot of cap space for next year in case they get an expensive QB

Yeah $9m is a higher AAV than I was expecting for Stevenson.

I think the cap jump means we're going to see a lot of "what" contracts in the next few months. It's like Lawrence being the highest paid QB but only 10th highest at point of signing.
 
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Yeah.

At this point they're going to get a worse deal or have to draft a guy. I've heard it's a good year for RBs, but I'd still rather not be locked into having to make a move there.

That said, there seems to be

a) A sense it was about more than the money with Harris
b) A sense that they are trying to preserve a lot of cap space for next year in case they get an expensive QB
Not sure I agree with point A if you're implying the Steelers are concerned with his attitude or work ethic. Or at least I haven't seen anything credible to suggest that.

Everything Khan says to the media should be taken with a grain of salt, but I don't really have any reason to not believe him here (at least about how the org feels about him as a person- not necessarily the extension bit)

"It was a business decision that we had to make by, I think, May 2. But Najee’s awesome to have around here. Love Najee as a player and a person. And just because we didn’t pick it up, that doesn’t exclude us from doing something with Najee for the long term. I’d love to say Najee was here and had a long career in Pittsburgh. He really represents us well on the field and off the field. But it was one of those things we had to make a decision on. We just felt right now it was the right decision for everyone. But I love Najee and I would love to have him here long term."
 

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Not sure I agree with point A if you're implying the Steelers are concerned with his attitude or work ethic. Or at least I haven't seen anything credible to suggest that.

Everything Khan says to the media should be taken with a grain of salt, but I don't really have any reason to not believe him here (at least about how the org feels about him as a person- not necessarily the extension bit)

I've seen quite a few beat reporters imply or speculate that Harris' comments to the media last season played into the decision.

And as for what Khan said, yeah, I just don't believe that because

a) The comments and the money don't square up in my opinion. Money is how you value someone in the NFL, and the money for the fifth year extension and the language Khan is using tell different stories.
b) The comments also don't square up with Khan originally talking about needing Smith's opinion/the bits leaked through Dulac right after the option was declined
c) The best explanation I've seen for why they waited until the very last minute to go yes/no on the fifth option is they were trying to trade him, which also wouldn't square up
d) Add it all together, and Harris' public statements last season vs the Steelers tidying up last year's locker room, and I just find it more likely they're not into Harris but don't want to admit in public that's where they are with a former first rounder so they're soft-soaping the situation to the media (while making sure the media independently bring up lots of other reasons why they wouldn't want him).
 
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I have said his agent will start at Mixon number and Najaee will get 10 million av next year in FA the option was a no brainer could have locked both warren for 4 million a year and Najaee option for 11
 

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Yeah.

At this point they're going to get a worse deal or have to draft a guy. I've heard it's a good year for RBs, but I'd still rather not be locked into having to make a move there.

That said, there seems to be

a) A sense it was about more than the money with Harris
b) A sense that they are trying to preserve a lot of cap space for next year in case they get an expensive QB



I think the cap jump means we're going to see a lot of "what" contracts in the next few months. It's like Lawrence being the highest paid QB but only 10th highest at point of signing.

Agreed on the draft. I don’t think this team will be in the position where drafting a RB early would make a ton of sense. And while I think it’s totally fair to say there’s a higher probability of finding a productive RB in the mid rounds than other positions, there are plenty of Benny Snells that get drafted.

Warren is awesome but I think he’s probably best suited in his current role so they’ll need to find a solid partner for him imo.
 
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Agreed on the draft. I don’t think this team will be in the position where drafting a RB early would make a ton of sense. And while I think it’s totally fair to say there’s a higher probability of finding a productive RB in the mid rounds than other positions, there are plenty of Benny Snells that get drafted.

Warren is awesome but I think he’s probably best suited in his current role so they’ll need to find a solid partner for him imo.

Even if Warren really can be a 300 touch all situations bellcow and still be great, you're still going to want a seriously high class back-up if the team is going to be this run focused, right? It feels like this is a 2 RB league just for about everyone.

I wish they'd drafted a mid/late-round RB this year. Grab a guy and see if he can be the future before you need him. Guess they decided to do it at Guard instead which is fair enough.
 
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I'm still mildly surprised they've outright told Daniels that they won't be extending him. Am I shocked? Certainly not. He's almost guaranteed a substantial raise and he wasn't brought in by Khan and Co.
It's definitely a good spot to save cap on next season if you have a suitable replacement in position. And they should get decent compensation for him signing elsewhere as an ufa or by trading his rights sometime before that point.
But they don't even know what they have yet in Mccormick and/or Anderson let alone anyone else.

They really like McCormick. He should be able to start next season. If he can't, Herbig can. We will probably be able to get him at a discount also. No reason to give Daniels a raise. He has been slightly above the bar, IMO.
 
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JTG

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Even if Warren really can be a 300 touch all situations bellcow and still be great, you're still going to want a seriously high class back-up if the team is going to be this run focused, right? It feels like this is a 2 RB league just for about everyone.

I wish they'd drafted a mid/late-round RB this year. Grab a guy and see if he can be the future before you need him. Guess they decided to do it at Guard instead which is fair enough.

I think the best course of action is to let Najee and Warren battle it out, if Najee is a clear upgrade, pay him. If he's not, go to the draft to find another guy to pair with Warren.

It'd also be a great situation to pick up a guy like when we signed DeAngelo Williams. Maybe not a bell cow guy, but a guy who could definitely carry the load if needed periodically and takes care of the ball.

I think a lot changes with Najee this year in this system behind this line. If it doesn't, I can't even see another team lining up to sign him.
 

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I've seen quite a few beat reporters imply or speculate that Harris' comments to the media last season played into the decision.

And as for what Khan said, yeah, I just don't believe that because

a) The comments and the money don't square up in my opinion. Money is how you value someone in the NFL, and the money for the fifth year extension and the language Khan is using tell different stories.
b) The comments also don't square up with Khan originally talking about needing Smith's opinion/the bits leaked through Dulac right after the option was declined
c) The best explanation I've seen for why they waited until the very last minute to go yes/no on the fifth option is they were trying to trade him, which also wouldn't square up
d) Add it all together, and Harris' public statements last season vs the Steelers tidying up last year's locker room, and I just find it more likely they're not into Harris but don't want to admit in public that's where they are with a former first rounder so they're soft-soaping the situation to the media (while making sure the media independently bring up lots of other reasons why they wouldn't want him).
What public statements or comments by Harris are you talking about? I really don't think the Steelers give a shit if he's cold or standoffish with the media at times. I remember seeing articles like this, but being frustrated with the state of the offense last year is pretty reasonable lol. Or are you talking about that zoom call with the leagues best RB's where they voiced their frustration with the RB pay landscape?

I just haven't seen anything to suggest he's a bad teammate or shows poor work ethic in football related activities, like Diontae.

All I'm saying is that I think this is business related - not personal.
 
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