OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Kansas City Swifts vs Philly Eagles

[MrBrightside]

I honestly think the Eagles winning the Super Bowl the way they did is the worst thing possible for the Steelers. It will just lead to Art and Tomlin doubling down on winning with running and defense, ignoring the fact they have the best lines on both side of the ball in the sport.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Who else you gonna hire?

Every time the Superbowl comes and goes I think "Is Art watching this? Does he see how far his org is from looking like this?".

And then the next year comes and I reflect on the fact that no, he must not have been watching, and he doesn't see.

He lives in a world of delusion and fear.

AR2 can’t even keep his stories straight anymore. He’s legit losing it.

Last January he said it was way past time for this org to start winning in the playoffs again.

This year he alluded to Steelers fans being spoiled and how his org is “always in it at the end”.

He must be exhausted pushing goal posts around every season.

 

[xlm34]

Every time the Superbowl comes and goes I think "Is Art watching this? Does he see how far his org is from looking like this?".

And then the next year comes and I reflect on the fact that no, he must not have been watching, and he doesn't see.

Art and Tomlin probably were probably thrilled watching this Super Bowl. The Eagles are everything the Steelers want to be. They won with defense and a strong run game. This is just gonna make them push even harder in that direction.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Art and Tomlin probably were probably thrilled watching this Super Bowl. The Eagles are everything the Steelers want to be. They won with defense and a strong run game. This is just gonna make them push even harder in that direction.

Dude is thinking that they should’ve taken Hurts (we’d never develop him well or design the offense to his strengths) and it’s time to rectify that by drafting Milroe Who needs an elite QB??

Kidding aside— I have never once watched Hurts and thought Justin Fields can’t do that. At least on the field. Maybe Hurts is irreplaceable in the locker room.

 

[BHD]

Admittedly, I did not watch the Super Bowl. However, I did catch the pregame, where they talked about Travis Kelce. Good thing there were six(!) comnentators saying he is a “good guy.” I was wondering where he ranked on the Good Guy Index.

 

[Andy99]

Art and Tomlin probably were probably thrilled watching this Super Bowl. The Eagles are everything the Steelers want to be. They won with defense and a strong run game. This is just gonna make them push even harder in that direction.

Except they didn’t…they got there with a strong running game, which the Chiefs stymied…they won with Hurts efficiently passing the ball

 

[ChaosAgent]

Except they didn’t…they got there with a strong running game, which the Chiefs stymied…they won with Hirts efficiently passing the ball

They won with a dominant, stacked pass rush which notably was ONLY 4 down linemen without needing blitzes. The offensive performance was average in actuality.

 

[Snooki Stackhouse]

Art and Tomlin probably were probably thrilled watching this Super Bowl. The Eagles are everything the Steelers want to be. They won with defense and a strong run game. This is just gonna make them push even harder in that direction.

I don't doubt that they're deluded into thinking that but, besides some of the Weidl influence in a couple of just-okay drafts, they're not anywhere close to capturing what made the eagles successful.

Separation of duties between GM and HC, not being married to your HC, requiring Sirianni to give up calling the offense, and having a proven DC with autonomy. They wanted a great run game so they went and got the best of the best instead of, you know, Najee Harris. And paired that top RB with a good young mobile QB while also ensuring plenty of receiving weapons were available to the QB so the offense wasn't one dimensional. And then assembling an amazing OL and DL.

If the Steelers wanted to mimic the Eagles approach, going into the fourth straight off-season without an answer at QB, playing your top OT pick on the wrong side to placate The worst LT in the league, bookending the offense with Van f***ing Jefferson, and then making zero coaching changes is not really the way to go about that.

 

[Empoleon8771]

The lesson I hope the Steelers take away from that super bowl is to stick with Fields going forward and try to recreate the Philly offense with the Steelers.

This team has a lot of areas it needs to improve to recreate that, because Philly's QB, HB, WRs and OL are all better than what the Steelers have. That said, I think the Steelers have at least some pieces that can be used as a base to create at least an Eagles-lite offense. I think the biggest things they need are the continued development/investment in the OL along with an explosive RB.

 

[xlm34]

Dude is thinking that they should’ve taken Hurts (we’d never develop him well or design the offense to his strengths) and it’s time to rectify that by drafting Milroe Who needs an elite QB??

Kidding aside— I have never once watched Hurts and thought Justin Fields can’t do that. At least on the field. Maybe Hurts is irreplaceable in the locker room.

I’d at least like to see them try to make Fields into something like Hurts until there’s a QB worth taking a shot at in the draft. The one thing I’m hoping the Eagles win does do is push back on some of the stigma attached to running QBs. Having a QB that can use his legs is just so useful.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Dude is thinking that they should’ve taken Hurts (we’d never develop him well or design the offense to his strengths) and it’s time to rectify that by drafting Milroe Who needs an elite QB??

Kidding aside— I have never once watched Hurts and thought Justin Fields can’t do that. At least on the field. Maybe Hurts is irreplaceable in the locker room.

Hurts was good last night but I had the same thought. Outside of a couple of dime deep throws to Brown that I haven't seen from Fields, most of the other stuff Hurts was doing was stuff I feel Fields can do as well.

 

[Andy99]

The lesson I hope the Steelers take away from that super bowl is to stick with Fields going forward and try to recreate the Philly offense with the Steelers.

This team has a lot of areas it needs to improve to recreate that, because Philly's QB, HB, WRs and OL are all better than what the Steelers have. That said, I think the Steelers have at least some pieces that can be used as a base to create at least an Eagles-lite offense. I think the biggest things they need are the continued development/investment in the OL along with an explosive RB.

I don’t think the Steelers can replicate it…they invested in the O line but not well, either talent and development isn’t there…they haven’t been able to develop a strong D line with 2nd-4th round picks …the whole front office and coaching stinks and nowhere near as good as the Eagles

They won with a dominant, stacked pass rush which notably was ONLY 4 down linemen without needing blitzes. The offensive performance was average in actuality.

Hurts won MVP for a reason…he was very strong, even running…I wouldnt discount him but yeah, the best part of their Eagles is their D and defensive coaching, something that has passed Tomlin by lol

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Hurts was good last night but I had the same thought. Outside of a couple of dime deep throws to Brown that I haven't seen from Fields, most of the other stuff Hurts was doing was stuff I feel Fields can do as well.

Honestly think Fields is more talented. Fields can rip it too, remember that throw to Pickens that got reversed by a Jones hold?

I am not very impressed with Hurts but he plays point guard to elite weapons well and is hard to sack. Can break off those backbreaking 15 yard scrambles when it looks like the rush got there and you covered everyone. Just not going to be a lot of negative plays with him.

Steelers don’t have scheme, coaching, or talent to recreate that right now.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Art and Tomlin probably were probably thrilled watching this Super Bowl. The Eagles are everything the Steelers want to be. They won with defense and a strong run game. This is just gonna make them push even harder in that direction.

What's ironic is that the Eagles didn't win yesterday's game with a strong running game. That was absolutely shut down so they turned to the air to get their points.

If Tomlin were coaching the Eagles he would have run Barkley 25 times for 70 yards.

 

[Khelandros]

If Tomlin were coaching the Eagles he would have run Barkley 25 times for 70 yards.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

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Well about 5 of those runs were at the tail end where the Eagles were just running to kill clock instead of running to score. The game had already been decided at that point. In my scenario he would of had that statline by the end of the 1st half

 

[Shockmaster]

Art and Tomlin probably were probably thrilled watching this Super Bowl. The Eagles are everything the Steelers want to be. They won with defense and a strong run game. This is just gonna make them push even harder in that direction.

Except unlike the Eagles, they'll do everything wrong.

 

[Peat]

Re Pickett -

Some of the stuff about him and the Steelers has been mad.

But I do think given how many people said he'd hurt his career and regret the decision asking out, the fact he won a SB does matter. Even as a back-up, that makes a bunch of difference to his personal satisfaction and future career.

Re What The Eagles Win Means For The Steelers -

I see a lot of talk about "What can Hurts do that Fields can". And leaving aside that (obviously) I believe there's questions about decision making there that's far more important than technique or athleticism (Fields is a better athlete except maybe in close quarters) -

The real answer is Hurts wasn't asked to do much, and you've got to ask yourself just how realistic it is to create a team as strong as the Eagles because I think that's what you need to win with a QB like Hurts. That team is obnoxiously stacked.

And whether it's more realistic than finding a QB who can beat a guy like Mahomes given an equal level of talent and coaching.

Cos I'm not sure it's not the latter.

In any case, the real lesson for the Eagles' victory isn't philosophy, it's a restless search for excellence. They underperformed last year so they revamped the coaching staff. They keep doing that. They're not afraid to trade back to get more capital. They're forward thinking, analytically minded, and so on.

The Steelers want to be the Eagles so bad. But the Steelers are wedded to the belief that stability is all where as the Eagles place it behind chasing a ceiling.

Whatever philosophy they pick as to how football should be played will be less important than what philosophy they take in chasing it.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

I hear Sirianni being compared to different Super Bowl coaches and I heard Switzer even mentioned once when comparing him to other SB winning coaches. I haven’t read anything that compares him to Tomlin.

Both had really strong general manager/org in place to set him up to succeed.
Both had a young QB to work with though at that point Ben was further along in his development, having alread won a SB
Both have had success very early in their careers with SB wins.
Both have NEVER HAD A LOSING SEASON …
Both give dumb quotes to the media. However, the media LOVES Tomlin and most view Sirianni as a goofball.

Even in spite of this win, I still don’t think Sirianni will get the credit that Tomlin did.

They were giving Sirianni yesterday

 

[xlm34]

I wouldn’t turn my nose up on it if it’s a day 3 pick or something, but I would be very underwhelmed with Deebo Samuel being the solution to their WR issue.

 

[TimmyD]

Art and Tomlin probably were probably thrilled watching this Super Bowl. The Eagles are everything the Steelers want to be. They won with defense and a strong run game. This is just gonna make them push even harder in that direction.

I mean…. That style of play just put up a 40 spot on the back to back champs in a blowout of the Super Bowl… I think most of the league is going to lean into that style of play. The Steelers problem is that they will equate it to spending more money (then they already do on defense) which is the problem. You can win in this league by having a strong defense and strong running game. The issue the Steelers have is they just continue to throw money at it and think that because it’s expensive it’s good… that’s not the reality. To have a good defense in this league you need a solid to spectacular defensive front, at least 1 good to great corner, and at least 1 good edge rusher. The rest can just be filled with young, fast hungry talent and it could still be really good.

 

[OnMyOwn]

Trade for Deebo and draft one in early rounds. I’m fine with that.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Except unlike the Eagles, they'll do everything wrong.

You can totally build a dominant o-line playing guys on the wrong side.

Doesn’t really matter where you put them, left side, right side, inside, it’s a small matter.

Just ask Tomlin.

 

[Colonel Mustard]

More i think on it, i think if there is a really good dl there to draft do it.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

You can totally build a dominant o-line playing guys on the wrong side.

Doesn’t really matter where you put them, left side, right side, inside, it’s a small matter.

Just ask Tomlin.

The Eagles did have a OT playing RG and a c playing g plus a rugby player at LT. They can do that because they have the best o line coach in football

Trade for Deebo and draft one in early rounds. I’m fine with that.

Debo not really an outside wr and is hurt often plus will want an extension

More i think on it, i think if there is a really good dl there to draft do it.

I fully expect 2 dl drafted and 1 signed in free agency