GDT: The Pittsburgher Thread - Here we go!

[T1K]

Here comes the excuses brigade

You’re the one ignoring statistics and pushing shitty narratives

 

[xlm34]

Here comes the excuses brigade

Not really an excuse. You can want Tomlin gone but also disagree when people bring up points you think aren’t right. Especially when one of those points is some thing that happens to every other coach in the league bar one or two.

 

[DanielPlainview]

To answer your question, yes the Steelers drop more games to lesser opponents than similar teams. I remember seeing a graphic about it not long ago. It's significant

 

[xlm34]

To answer your question, yes the Steelers drop more games to lesser opponents than similar teams. I remember seeing a graphic about it not long ago. It's significant

I mean that’s why I asked. I was actually curious. The last one I found was from 2014 and it said the opposite.

Nothing like calling people moronic for disagreeing with you though. Gotta love it.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

A team having loyalty to their HC does not prove anything. If either of these guys had gotten jobs with the Raiders or Cowboys they’d probably be coordinators in college football right now

You chose the raiders who hired Gruden who has no business coaching and you chose cowboys who hired a yes man.

 

[Night Shift]

You chose the raiders who hired Gruden who has no business coaching and you chose cowboys who hired a yes man.

Gruden has way more experienced than Clown. He also has more experience as a coordinator. In fact if not for him Clown Shoes never gets on Minnesota

 

[T1K]

Gruden has way more experienced than Clown. He also has more experience as a coordinator. In fact if not for him Clown Shoes never gets on Minnesota

Gruden hasn’t won a playoff game since 2002

 

[Night Shift]

Gruden hasn’t won a playoff game since 2002

He was out of the league for how many years? And despite losing to LA he is looking like he made a nice team in Vegas. He completely made Tomlin look like a fool week 2

 

[T1K]

He was out of the league for how many years? And despite losing to LA he is looking like he made a nice team in Vegas. He completely made Tomlin look like a fool week 2

Google is hard. He’s coached 9 complete seasons since his last playoff win. Only two appearances since the SB. Talk about a fake sharp.

Jon Gruden Record, Statistics, and Category Ranks | Pro-Football-Reference.com

 

[Night Shift]

Google is hard. He’s coached 9 complete seasons since his last playoff win. Only two appearances since the SB. Talk about a fake sharp.

Jon Gruden Record, Statistics, and Category Ranks | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Yet you'll ignore he was in Oakland with that organization. Put Jibba Jabba there and see how that works

 

[T1K]

Yet you'll ignore he was in Oakland with that organization. Put Jibba Jabba there and see how that works

6 of those years were with Tampa… For someone who claims Tomlin has a lot of excuse makers, you sure are capping for Gruden a lot.

 

[Night Shift]

6 of those years were with Tampa… For someone who claims Tomlin has a lot of excuse makers, you sure are capping for Gruden a lot.

Gruden had Brad Johnson as QB. I think that was part of the down fall there (back then) was having a Brad at his age, who did well but then after the SB falling off a cliff. And Chris Simms was too young carry it forward.

I'm not sleeping on Gruden now that he finally has a QB

 

[Night Shift]

I don't need to make any excuses for Gruden. He was a legit OC before becoming a HC and came from the coaching line of Bill Walsh and Mike Holmgren.

Jibba Jabba's coaching line was ?
Clown school maybe

 

[xlm34]

I actually found something that says the Steelers have a 24-5 record since week 10 of 2016 against teams with a sub .500 record. I’m not sure if that’s actually true but I feel like that’s probably in line with similar teams.

Again not an excuse but I feel like that point can get overblown sometimes.

 

[T1K]

Gruden had Brad Johnson as QB. I think that was part of the down fall there (back then) was having a Brad at his age, who did well but then after the SB falling off a cliff. And Chris Simms was too young carry it forward.

I'm not sleeping on Gruden now that he finally has a QB

You made 3 excuses in this post. Gruden has had Carr ever since he returned to coaching.

 

[Night Shift]

You made 3 excuses in this post. Gruden has had Carr ever since he returned to coaching.

K you got me, you wanna know why? Gruden doesn't have his own bingo board.

 

[Night Shift]

I actually found something that says the Steelers have a 24-5 record since week 10 of 2016 against teams with a sub .500 record. I’m not sure if that’s actually true but I feel like that’s probably in line with similar teams.

Again not an excuse but I feel like that point can get overblown sometimes.

2012-2016 from Steel city insider

Tomlin's record vs losing teams since 2012
2012: 3-4
2013: 3-4
2014: 3-4
2015: 2-3
2016: 1-1
That is a combined record against losing teams over the last 5 seasons of 12-16.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Gruden had Brad Johnson as QB. I think that was part of the down fall there (back then) was having a Brad at his age, who did well but then after the SB falling off a cliff. And Chris Simms was too young carry it forward.

I'm not sleeping on Gruden now that he finally has a QB

He has had Carr since he came back to coaching his only super bowl was against his former team taking over for dungy. He had Gannon in Oakland

 

[xlm34]

2012-2016 from Steel city insider

Tomlin's record vs losing teams since 2012
2012: 3-4
2013: 3-4
2014: 3-4
2015: 2-3
2016: 1-1
That is a combined record against losing teams over the last 5 seasons of 12-16.

Good find. Yeah I mean definitely a bad stretch. Here’s something for a few years ago so not up to date:

Crunching the Numbers: Tomlin vs. inferior opponents, Ben out west, and second-down play calling

But those numbers really aren’t bad at all. Again I can’t imagine that number is significantly worse than other coaches.

 

[Night Shift]

He has had Carr since he came back to coaching his only super bowl was against his former team taking over for dungy. He had Gannon in Oakland

As I stated earlier Oakland was a mess when taking over the 2nd time. His first stint with Oakland went well considering being under crazy AL and the only time they were relevant in the past 20 years. But ya Gannon was I think his best QB in his head coaching career. IIRC that offense was entertaining to watch

 

[Night Shift]

Good find. Yeah I mean definitely a bad stretch. Here’s something for a few years ago so not up to date:

Crunching the Numbers: Tomlin vs. inferior opponents, Ben out west, and second-down play calling

But those numbers really aren’t bad at all. Again I can’t imagine that number is significantly worse than other coaches.

Right in the middle of that stretch (in 2015) is around the time I made my mind up on Tomlin.

 

[wheelz87]

Killer instinct by the Rams.
16-14 with 7 mins left. Tomlin would go run, run, pass punt and hand it over to the D to win.
Alas, Stafford goes 5 for 5 and they increase the lead.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Killer instinct by the Rams.
16-14 with 7 mins left. Tomlin would go run, run, pass punt and hand it over to the D to win.
Alas, Stafford goes 5 for 5 and they increase the lead.

There’s a reason why they paid 2 1st for him. Ben Will not even pass it forward on 4th down

 

[Night Shift]

Ben Will not even pass it forward on 4th down

I think @Honour Over Glory will appreciate this one

 

[T1K]

Sounds like Bridgewater is gonna play, but if we run hot and play Drew Lock/Geno Smith in back to back weeks, that would be pretty fun.