The Pittsburgher Thread: Draft Dreams

[Andy99]

Peter King seems to think Rock Ya Sin from Temple will be the pick

The reason is reportedly, “Mike Tomlin loves him”....when you hear those words regarding any defensive player, you should run in the opposite direction...

 

[Al Smith]

The reason is reportedly, “Mike Tomlin loves him”....when you hear those words regarding any defensive player, you should run in the opposite direction...

Tomlin needs to do the George Costanza opposite thing when it comes to CBs.

 

[TimmyD]

I'm going to be upset with the 1st round.
I just know it.

I was telling my buddy about it yesterday and he said he doesn’t like it but he will give the Steelers the benefit of the doubt because of how well they have built their team through the draft and how they usually hit on guys. I told him that at 20 this is a reach and horrendous value, especially if the other corners (Murphy, Baker and Greedy) are all still on the board. He then told me that he will still give the Steelers the benefit of the doubt.... if this is the guy that Tomlin loves then trade down

 

[USMC607]

I was telling my buddy about it yesterday and he said he doesn’t like it but he will give the Steelers the benefit of the doubt because of how well they have built their team through the draft and how they usually hit on guys. I told him that at 20 this is a reach and horrendous value, especially if the other corners (Murphy, Baker and Greedy) are all still on the board. He then told me that he will still give the Steelers the benefit of the doubt.... if this is the guy that Tomlin loves then trade down

Exactly same goes for Savage these are early to mid 2nd round guys.

If they like em that much use the 2nd and one of the 3rds to trade up to early 2nd and grab one.

Why waste #20 on them especially if Ferrell or someone else is there? That has value at 20.

 

[TimmyD]

Exactly same goes for Savage these are early to mid 2nd round guys.

If they like em that much use the 2nd and one of the 3rds to trade up to early 2nd and grab one.

Why waste #20 on them especially if Ferrell or someone else is there? That has value at 20.

I really don’t even think corner is a huge need for them at this point. I am starting to believe that Oakland is either going to take Haskins or Daniel Jones at pick 4 and if it’s Jones I think Cincy might possibly try to trade up to take Haskins. That would be the dream scenario for the Steelers because that would make it way easier to get Bush. They could probably trade up to about 17 to get him and only moving up 3 spots should be very cost effective

 

[Dick Sledge]

There's a lot of good CBs in this draft. Maybe not elite, but good.

 

[USMC607]

Arizona is reportedly going for Bosa and not Kyle Murray.

 

[Shockmaster]

I'm fully expecting the Steelers to try and show us how smart they are by being incredibly stupid during the draft.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Arizona is reportedly going for Bosa and not Kyle Murray.

Has a team ever taken two QBs top ten in back to back seasons?

Seems kind of... weird.

I'm fully expecting the Steelers to try and show us how smart they are by being incredibly stupid during the draft.

Steelers helped themselves enough in FA where they can go BPA at 20.

I’m wondering if Metcalf is there if they take him...

 

[SouthGeorge]

AB cancels on Aqib Talib camp last minute and he cancels the whole thing. The funny part is he was praising what AB did "we are the new NBA and get to play where we want" glad he finally got to meet the real AB!

 

[USMC607]

I was telling my buddy about it yesterday and he said he doesn’t like it but he will give the Steelers the benefit of the doubt because of how well they have built their team through the draft and how they usually hit on guys. I told him that at 20 this is a reach and horrendous value, especially if the other corners (Murphy, Baker and Greedy) are all still on the board. He then told me that he will still give the Steelers the benefit of the doubt.... if this is the guy that Tomlin loves then trade down

Benefit of the doubt.

If I were you I would remind him while we have made some decent picks in the 1st under Tomlin we also have Jones, Burns, Edmund's, etc under him as well.

 

[USMC607]

Has a team ever taken two QBs top ten in back to back seasons?

Seems kind of... weird.



Steelers helped themselves enough in FA where they can go BPA at 20.

I’m wondering if Metcalf is there if they take him...

I hope not. His measurables and his 40 time was literally the only things blowing people away.

His agility/quickness test was garbage.

His numbers in college were meh, had concentration issues with drops he shouldnt have and he was never the "GUY".

So basically he is tall, big, and can run in a straight line without pads real fast.

I'd take either Brown over him at 20.

 

[USMC607]

I'm hoping AZ going with Bosa means a team like Denver or Cincy tries to move up to get one of the QBs and that let's Bush or someone fall to us.

 

[ImporterExporter]

I'll say it again.

If Bush is there after Cincy picks we need to be moving up. Period. Having a 3 down, electric MLB is something this D desperately needs. Anyone worth a damn knows how much different our D is without Shazier. The impact he had was massive.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

I hope not. His measurables and his 40 time was literally the only things blowing people away.

His agility/quickness test was garbage.

His numbers in college were meh, had concentration issues with drops he shouldnt have and he was never the "GUY".

So basically he is tall, big, and can run in a straight line without pads real fast.

I'd take either Brown over him at 20.

I did YT scouting and he looked stiff and his hands didn’t look very soft, but lots of people are pimping him so I’m just assuming they know more than I do.

 

[TimmyD]

Benefit of the doubt.

If I were you I would remind him while we have made some decent picks in the 1st under Tomlin we also have Jones, Burns, Edmund's, etc under him as well.

I explained that and the fact that the Steelers have been notoriously bad at evaluating the corner position but he wasn’t having any of it. He also didn’t think Edmunds was a reach

 

[Goalie_Bob]

Edmunds is way too early in his career to say if he was a good pick or a bad pick. For example, after year one everyone would have taken Artie Burns over Troy Polamalu.

In the Tomlin era, here are the first round picks:

2007	15	Lawrence Timmons	LB	Florida State
2008	23	Rashard Mendenhall	RB	Illinois
2009	32	Evander Hood	DT	Missouri
2010	18	Maurkice Pouncey	C	Florida
2011	31	Cameron Heyward	DE	Ohio State
2012	24	David DeCastro	G	Stanford
2013	17	Jarvis Jones	LB	Georgia
2014	15	Ryan Shazier	LB	Ohio State
2015	22	Bud Dupree	LB	Kentucky
2016	25	Artie Burns	CB	Miami
2017	30	T. J. Watt	LB	Wisconsin
2018	28	Terrell Edmunds	S	Virginia Tech

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

6 of them have been Pro Bowl players, 5 have not. I'm not counting Edmunds.

The way some people talk around here, I would assume that every first round pick has been a bust. IMO, the only player that has been a bust is Jarvis Jones. The other non pro bowl players have been serviceable at times in their careers. Though if Artie Burns doesn't come around then I am willing to put him in the bust category.

 

[Al Smith]

Edmunds is way too early in his career to say if he was a good pick or a bad pick. For example, after year one everyone would have taken Artie Burns over Troy Polamalu.

In the Tomlin era, here are the first round picks:

2007	15	Lawrence Timmons	LB	Florida State
2008	23	Rashard Mendenhall	RB	Illinois
2009	32	Evander Hood	DT	Missouri
2010	18	Maurkice Pouncey	C	Florida
2011	31	Cameron Heyward	DE	Ohio State
2012	24	David DeCastro	G	Stanford
2013	17	Jarvis Jones	LB	Georgia
2014	15	Ryan Shazier	LB	Ohio State
2015	22	Bud Dupree	LB	Kentucky
2016	25	Artie Burns	CB	Miami
2017	30	T. J. Watt	LB	Wisconsin
2018	28	Terrell Edmunds	S	Virginia Tech

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

6 of them have been Pro Bowl players, 5 have not. I'm not counting Edmunds.

The way some people talk around here, I would assume that every first round pick has been a bust. IMO, the only player that has been a bust is Jarvis Jones. The other non pro bowl players have been serviceable at times in their careers. Though if Artie Burns doesn't come around then I am willing to put him in the bust category.

I’d put ziggy hood there (although he was 32) and Burns has a long way to go to avoid the label, IMO.

 

[USMC607]

I did YT scouting and he looked stiff and his hands didn’t look very soft, but lots of people are pimping him so I’m just assuming they know more than I do.

I agreed with both your assessments of stiffness and the hands.

Honestly though I think the scouts clamoring for the guy is just another case of his 40 time and the fact his huge frame can run that fast of a 40 time.

But they never seem to learn from that.

How many guys have we seen scouts go crazy for because they run fast and have good size and they disregard all the other variables (especially between the ears) and the dude busts.

Stick with your gut, it's more likely than not right. Even if we arent professional scouts.

 

[USMC607]

I explained that and the fact that the Steelers have been notoriously bad at evaluating the corner position but he wasn’t having any of it. He also didn’t think Edmunds was a reach

Woof... welp that's a battle you cant win then.

 

[KIRK]

I'm hoping AZ going with Bosa means a team like Denver or Cincy tries to move up to get one of the QBs and that let's Bush or someone fall to us.

You need both of them to pass. And I've seen Green Bay also cited as a possible Bush destination in some mocks.

 

[UnderratedBrooks44]

Edmunds is way too early in his career to say if he was a good pick or a bad pick. For example, after year one everyone would have taken Artie Burns over Troy Polamalu.

In the Tomlin era, here are the first round picks:

2007	15	Lawrence Timmons	LB	Florida State
2008	23	Rashard Mendenhall	RB	Illinois
2009	32	Evander Hood	DT	Missouri
2010	18	Maurkice Pouncey	C	Florida
2011	31	Cameron Heyward	DE	Ohio State
2012	24	David DeCastro	G	Stanford
2013	17	Jarvis Jones	LB	Georgia
2014	15	Ryan Shazier	LB	Ohio State
2015	22	Bud Dupree	LB	Kentucky
2016	25	Artie Burns	CB	Miami
2017	30	T. J. Watt	LB	Wisconsin
2018	28	Terrell Edmunds	S	Virginia Tech

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

6 of them have been Pro Bowl players, 5 have not. I'm not counting Edmunds.

The way some people talk around here, I would assume that every first round pick has been a bust. IMO, the only player that has been a bust is Jarvis Jones. The other non pro bowl players have been serviceable at times in their careers. Though if Artie Burns doesn't come around then I am willing to put him in the bust category.

I think sometimes people are hard on a guy simply because he was picked too high, which is on the team not the player. Edmunds wasn't a bad prospect, but it seemed like pretty much no one was targeting him for about another round or so. The thing is of course is that the Steelers may have loved him and had their reasons, tried to trade down and couldn't, so they just picked him. Once you get into the what-if game it's hard to speculate on whether there was a mistake made somewhere or not. It was really high for him it seemed though.

 

[KIRK]

I was telling my buddy about it yesterday and he said he doesn’t like it but he will give the Steelers the benefit of the doubt because of how well they have built their team through the draft and how they usually hit on guys. I told him that at 20 this is a reach and horrendous value, especially if the other corners (Murphy, Baker and Greedy) are all still on the board. He then told me that he will still give the Steelers the benefit of the doubt.... if this is the guy that Tomlin loves then trade down

Unless Bush or Hockenson or someone of that kind of value/need falls, I'd actually look to trade down about 10 slots and try to pick up an extra 2nd.

CB, S, and WR . . . you'll find guys you like anywhere from the late 1st to early 3rd round. After the top two ILB's go, same situation. So, why not pick up an extra pick in that range and trade down.

 

[JimmyTwoTimes]

Exactly same goes for Savage these are early to mid 2nd round guys.

If they like em that much use the 2nd and one of the 3rds to trade up to early 2nd and grab one.

Why waste #20 on them especially if Ferrell or someone else is there? That has value at 20.

Because if the teams right ahead of them take who they want....they have to get their pick in after 10 seconds on the clock to prove they got the guy they wanted .

 

[JimmyTwoTimes]

Unless Bush or Hockenson or someone of that kind of value/need falls, I'd actually look to trade down about 10 slots and try to pick up an extra 2nd.

CB, S, and WR . . . you'll find guys you like anywhere from the late 1st to early 3rd round. After the top two ILB's go, same situation. So, why not pick up an extra pick in that range and trade down.

Still say Murphy would be a great pick..RS Soph and if he stayed another year he would prob be top ten. We've passed on the DBs who turned out great and took ones who werent. I wouldn't pass on Murphy if Hock and Bush arent there. Agree they should trade back if he along with those other 2 arent there.

This draft is all about the 2nd and 3rd rounds....stacked with talent. Not much of a dropoff from late first thru those 2 rounds.