OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: 5 and 2 Justin who? Hand the Fields to Wilson

[Buddy Bizarre]

Harris has the same amount of 100 yard games as Gibbs and more than Montgomery. Fields 5 rushing tds goes to Najee this is even closer. Right now we don’t have a wr like Williams or o line like they have. I do think we look better as a team if warren was healthy all season

Do you understand what the word "efficiency" means?

Give a player enough carries and they'll hit 100 yards. Hell getting 1k in a season is easier bc there is 1 extra game.

 

[xlm34]

Knock on wood, but it feels really nice to not have to play around with the New York Times playoff machine so far this year.

The Bengals defense may be one of the worst I’ve ever seen, but 37 points on offense is still impressive. Even more impressive was that it was done without chucking it deep constantly. Hopefully it’s a building block.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

They didn't call a penalty when their db threw somebody to the ground by the helmet but they call that bullshit.

Well get ready for no DPI's against Pickens the rest of the year.
He ran his mouth last week about the refs after the Clev loss and they don't forget that shit.

 

[Empoleon8771]

It's amazing that Wilson is performing at the same level this year as he did at his peak in Seattle, at least in terms of passing stats. His running game has obviously declined, but his numbers this year are extremely similar to his best passing numbers from his time in Seattle. The only thing he's lagging a bit behind is with passing TDs but his NY/A and Y/G are better.

I doubt he has any interest in leaving, but I'd hope the Steelers sign him basically the second the season is over. He's playing so well that you can easily rationalize paying him $40 million a year and have him be worth it. His performance this year is top-10 QB caliber.

Luckily I think he has made so much money over his career that I'd bet he would take a 2 year, $30 million AAV or so deal.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

It's amazing that Wilson is performing at the same level this year as he did at his peak in Seattle, at least in terms of passing stats. His running game has obviously declined, but his numbers this year are extremely similar to his best passing numbers from his time in Seattle. The only thing he's lagging a bit behind is with passing TDs but his NY/A and Y/G are better.

I doubt he has any interest in leaving, but I'd hope the Steelers sign him basically the second the season is over. He's playing so well that you can easily rationalize paying him $40 million a year and have him be worth it. His performance this year is top-10 QB caliber.

Luckily I think he has made so much money over his career that I'd bet he would take a 2 year, $30 million AAV or so deal.

Turns out making the defense defend the whole field helps the offense. Who knew?

Use the whole field
Throw on first down
Don't run on 2nd and long

Simple things that make it just a bit easier on offense and Wilson is great at reading defenses. Just wish he was 5 years younger

 

[JTG]

Bengals are soft though. It's not a big surprise.

Right now, I feel like I've made my final judgment on Harris and I don't think it's going to change through the bad games and the good. I like a lot about him. I love Harris highlights. I think he gets too much shit for what goes on in front of him and not enough credit for his ability after contact.

But he's got a huge fatal flaw in that a team that can get to him very quickly will discover he does not have the acceleration and shiftiness to escape and still do stuff. Which means you regularly see the days where he just gets stuffed and it kills drives.

A team that wants Harris has to commit to stopping that from happening. Have a great line. Embrace the power stuff he does well. I think the Steelers' talent and scheme isn't doing that.

It wouldn't be a disaster to keep him. He could go off big somewhere else and make this team look stupid if he goes. But, in balance, I am at peace with the idea of him going.

I'm there also. I keep going back to when he was going through the process and all I saw was Curtis Martin. Curtis Martin went on to be one of the unsexiest leading rushers of all time. Harris does not pass my eye test, but when you look at his stats not seeing the player, aside from some duds of a game, he is kind of consistent but does nothing great.

I want a home run hitter to run behind this line. If all works with this line, if they can get a Henry who is a "one cut and gone" back...that will look really great. I think I have come to the conclusion that the young guys that came in with Pickett are not the guys we should stick with long term - Harris, Muth, Pickens. Harris is slow, Muth is soft, Pickens is stupid.

 

[xlm34]

I think whether they give Wilson a big deal should be tied to whether he can play well when the competition gets a little tougher. It’s great that he looks good against the Jets, Giants, and Bengals but if he falls flat against some of the teams down the stretch here or some of the defenses they might face in the playoffs then I’d be a little hesitant to give him a big deal.

 

[JTG]

I don't think Wilson will ever pass the eye test in terms of deserving big money here, but 29/38 for over 400 and 3 TD's absolutely f***ing does lol.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

I think whether they give Wilson a big deal should be tied to whether he can play well when the competition gets a little tougher. It’s great that he looks good against the Jets, Giants, and Bengals but if he falls flat against some of the teams down the stretch here or some of the defenses they might face in the playoffs then I’d be a little hesitant to give him a big deal.

I've seen enough from Wilson to at least say "he's not cooked".

He deserves a contract from the Steelers. A 2 or 3 year extension is warranted.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I think whether they give Wilson a big deal should be tied to whether he can play well when the competition gets a little tougher. It’s great that he looks good against the Jets, Giants, and Bengals but if he falls flat against some of the teams down the stretch here or some of the defenses they might face in the playoffs then I’d be a little hesitant to give him a big deal.

Who's going to be your QB if you say no to Wilson, though?

I don't think giving up a good option because you're worried he won't be great is a smart move for this team to be making.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Who's going to be your QB if you say no to Wilson, though?

I don't think giving up a good option because you're worried he won't be great is a smart move for this team to be making.

Exactly- what is the alternative if Wilson doesn't resign?

1. Roll with JF. Yikes and no thanks.
2. Start with a brand new QB room. Who would be available? Bunch of trash heap guys on the Mitch Trubiski level.

What the Steelers SHOULD do?: Resign Wilson, let Fields walk and draft a QB they like within the first couple of rounds

What the Steelers WILL do?: Resign Wilson, let Fields walk and pick a QB in Round 6

 

[pistolpete11]

I'd like to see more blitzes from the ILB. I feel like so much of the offense's attention is focused on the edge. Rightfully so, but that leaves them vulnerable somewhere else. Take advantage of it. Wilson, Queen, and even Roberts are all athletic enough to get after the QB.

Obviously a rough game for JPJ. He's a big, physical corner who follows the other team's best WR. We knew he'd take his fair share of penalties. Outside of yesterday, I don't think it's really been that big of a concern all things considered. Just burn the tape and move on.

Russ was fantastic again. The pick-6 was bullshit, but other than that it was nearly a flawless game from him. Bungles really have an issue covering middle of the field. They ate them up early with the RB screen over the middle and Muth. If I remember correctly, Muth had a huge game against them last year, too, in the game after Canada got fired.

Really, really hated the clock management at the end of the first half. You could tell they weren't even thinking about trying to score a TD.

 

[xlm34]

Who's going to be your QB if you say no to Wilson, though?

I don't think giving up a good option because you're worried he won't be great is a smart move for this team to be making.

I don’t necessarily think he’ll be bad, but if he struggles down the stretch when the competition starts to get tougher then I won’t consider him a good option at a bigger price tag. All I’m saying really. I think there are a lot of teams out there that are going to regret some of the QB deals that have been handed out with the thinking of “Well what other choice do we have”

If he plays well, then yeah you won’t hear any complaints from me.

 

[Colonel Mustard]

I could honestly see both wilson and fields returning.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

I could honestly see both wilson and fields returning.

Steelers will want him, but if you are JF would you do so?

He'll have a ton of suitors (hello Giants and Jets) and could get a fairly large payday.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

It's not usually "how it's done" but I could see both Wilson and Fields back and that means you don't have to overdraft a QB you like as a 2-3 rounder in the first round. I know the top QBs are high picks but if the team is not looking at a top 10 pick for however-many seasons, then you can maybe avoid drafting a guy at 22 who should be drafted at 62?

 

[Peat]

Russ was fantastic again. The pick-6 was bullshit, but other than that it was nearly a flawless game from him. Bungles really have an issue covering middle of the field. They ate them up early with the RB screen over the middle and Muth. If I remember correctly, Muth had a huge game against them last year, too, in the game after Canada got fired.

Yes. 9/11, 120 yards. Very first play, 20 something dart up the middle. Didn't play the second game where Rudolph played but obviously Pickens got that huge run and score on a slant to the middle of the field.

They just are not getting (enough) help from their coaching in terms of scheme when other teams adjust or game plan for (especially) TJ. Yes, of course, at some point players have to "make plays," but skilled deployment can help with the consistency.

I'd like to see more blitzes from the ILB. I feel like so much of the offense's attention is focused on the edge. Rightfully so, but that leaves them vulnerable somewhere else. Take advantage of it. Wilson, Queen, and even Roberts are all athletic enough to get after the QB.

This team has been married to "rush 4, drop 7" for a long time and have been slow to accept their 4 just can't get it done often enough, but I am all for more blitzing at this point.

I don’t necessarily think he’ll be bad, but if he struggles down the stretch when the competition starts to get tougher then I won’t consider him a good option at a bigger price tag. All I’m saying really. I think there are a lot of teams out there that are going to regret some of the QB deals that have been handed out with the thinking of “Well what other choice do we have”

If he plays well, then yeah you won’t hear any complaints from me.

*cough* Giants.

Judging Wilson after a Bengals game is about the kindest thing that can be done. After the Browns game, his stats looked ugly. It's quite possible the next Browns game does nothing good for his stats either. It's even possible that the Eagles-Ravens-Chiefs stretch of games just kills the idea we'd want Wilson back at all. I hope not, but if they regress back to their worst version under that version, we'll hear it.

That said, the bigger issue to me here is whether they are willing to draft a QB aggressively if they see their guy rather than how much money and term they're willing to give Wilson. I'm okay with giving Wilson a lot of money if I believe they'll put a QB in to cook if needs be, but if Wilson being here was to be a barrier than nothing less than being real deal any season any team SB contenders would make me okay with it.

 

[End of Line]

The offense looked great but Pickens’ bullshit killed two drives because he can’t help himself. His bs is not worth it in the long run. Same with Joey Porter. 6 f***ing penalties? And neither will ever be held accountable.

In regards to Najee, hated the pick when it was made and still do. He has the clunkiest running form I’ve ever seen.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

 

[Peat]

Steelers will want him, but if you are JF would you do so?

He'll have a ton of suitors (hello Giants and Jets) and could get a fairly large payday.

Giants probably draft their next QB. Jets could be an option, particularly as I feel like Darnold wouldn't return there, but for all we know he's not their guy. Or maybe he just looks at them and goes "eww". Most times guys go to the gametime regardless, but the Jets feel like a QB killer.

I think I'd still expect Fields to end up somewhere else on a bridge starter contract but I don't think it's impossible he's still a back up when the chairs stop moving next year. After all, it did just happen for him once already.

It's not usually "how it's done" but I could see both Wilson and Fields back and that means you don't have to overdraft a QB you like as a 2-3 rounder in the first round. I know the top QBs are high picks but if the team is not looking at a top 10 pick for however-many seasons, then you can maybe avoid drafting a guy at 22 who should be drafted at 62?

As far as I'm concerned this just kicks the can of having to face those choices down the road. I would need a very high level of confidence in Fields to be interested in this.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

As far as I'm concerned this just kicks the can of having to face those choices down the road. I would need a very high level of confidence in Fields to be interested in this.

It could be argued the same thing happens even if it's just Russ back.

But really it's just me looking for ways to draft and develop a QB without having to take a 3rd round guy in the first. Which doesn't really happen (enough) either.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

It could be argued the same thing happens even if it's just Russ back.

But really it's just me looking for ways to draft and develop a QB without having to take a 3rd round guy in the first. Which doesn't really happen (enough) either.

This team is going to need to start throwing darts on the QB board outside of 6th and 7th round throwaway picks.

I hope Weidl takes a more aggressive approach when it comes to this bc the previous regime certainly did not.

This is exactly the time to do it. Wilson is in his final leg of his career and he seems to have a good mentor vibe about him. Ideally you have this QB starting and ready to roll after 2 years of backup duty.

It's possible that whoever they pick is a dud, but they HAVE to keep trying. It's the most important position in the league.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Giants probably draft their next QB. Jets could be an option, particularly as I feel like Darnold wouldn't return there, but for all we know he's not their guy. Or maybe he just looks at them and goes "eww". Most times guys go to the gametime regardless, but the Jets feel like a QB killer.

I think I'd still expect Fields to end up somewhere else on a bridge starter contract but I don't think it's impossible he's still a back up when the chairs stop moving next year. After all, it did just happen for him once already.

Any QB needy team is likely to take one in the draft. That doesn't mean JF wouldn't be a good addition to their roster.
He could also go to a team like Jax and get a bunch of games as a starter due to Trevor's inability to stay healthy.

Fields is going to be in high demand this offseason. That's my prediction. (note this is not an endorsement of him)

 

[Jaded-Fan]

Bengals are soft though. It's not a big surprise.

Right now, I feel like I've made my final judgment on Harris and I don't think it's going to change through the bad games and the good. I like a lot about him. I love Harris highlights. I think he gets too much shit for what goes on in front of him and not enough credit for his ability after contact.

But he's got a huge fatal flaw in that a team that can get to him very quickly will discover he does not have the acceleration and shiftiness to escape and still do stuff. Which means you regularly see the days where he just gets stuffed and it kills drives.

A team that wants Harris has to commit to stopping that from happening. Have a great line. Embrace the power stuff he does well. I think the Steelers' talent and scheme isn't doing that.

It wouldn't be a disaster to keep him. He could go off big somewhere else and make this team look stupid if he goes. But, in balance, I am at peace with the idea of him going.

In hindsight they should have paid him this off-season.

Now he is going to get paid more than he is worth. If that prediction is anywhere close to accurate, I hope that it is not the Steelers doing the paying.

 

[TooManyHumans]

The offense looked great but Pickens’ bullshit killed two drives because he can’t help himself. His bs is not worth it in the long run. Same with Joey Porter. 6 f***ing penalties? And neither will ever be held accountable.

Even with the dumb penalties (I thought the "gun" one was BS), Pickens helps way more than he hurts. They just have to convince him he is hurting the team with the unnecessary BS. His teammates like him and he wants to win. Porter simply needs to stop being so grabby. He is in position. He doesn't need to constantly grab. We don't have anyone on the team to replace either one of them though. They have to keep playing. And they won't be easy to replace in the offseason.