OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: 5 and 2 Justin who? Hand the Fields to Wilson

[Gurglesons]

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Russ was awful today, but given his legacy I give him the nod over Fields. The Steelers have won every game he has started.

Go with it and at this point let them battle it out.

 

[Peat]

Also it's only funny since they won, but they did, so the Arthur Smith reaction gif you need for the next time something terrifying happens

https://x.com/i/web/status/1858250245991280918

 

[JTG]

PFF currently has Darnell Washington ranked as the 7th best TE in the league and Muth the 26th. If Washington's body can hold up, he could be a pretty good TE in this league. He can really catch. He just doesn't appear to be fluid like Gronk was. For as solid as he is receiving, Muth is rated as an absolute shit blocker.

Frazier - 5th ranked C according to PFF.
Dan Moore - 19th ranked T
Daniels before he got hurt was graded out handedly as the best G in the league
Pickens - 9th ranked WR
Elandon Roberts - top 5 MLB
Cam - 1st interior defender
TJ- 1st EDGE, Herbig 5, Highsmith 13
*side note* Brain Branch currently top graded S in NFL

This team really is good. Broderick Jones has been disappointing, but this was going to happen. He was a very raw prospect. They are playing him at a position he doesn't want to play. I honestly wouldn't be shocked to see him try to get on up out of here in the offseason and salvage some of his development somewhere else.

I think Nick Herbig is an absolute menace - potentially one of the types of guys that defines a generation at a position good. I have never in my life seen such a Tasmanian devil of a OLB and I'm totally into it. The fumbles he creates...he's just a total game changer.

Cam wanted to show everyone he wasn't fading and he is. This effort right now is making him look HOF worthy even more so. It's a young man's game and Cam is doing it at the highest level right now at his age.

I would like to see them use Fields more. I was watching at a very popular local bar yesterday and it was packed. Fields had the opportunity to endear himself to the city of Pittsburgh by putting his head down and getting the questionable first down. Him sliding and coming up short - he will never come back from that at the bar I was at

 

[MrBrightside]

The Steelers have the most wins over teams currently in the playoffs (5) of any team in the NFL. So there's that.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

they are not going to move it n from jones. They literally played Moore at lt for 4 years straight. They know Jones needs reps

 

[Pengwins]

Herbig quietly had a great game. He blew up the 2pt conversion play

 

[MrBrightside]

they are not going to move it n from jones. They literally played Moore at lt for 4 years straight. They know Jones needs reps

And there's no one to move on to. When Calvin Anderson is your top OT backup due to injury, they aren't benching Jones.

 

[ImporterExporter]

Yesterday exposed Russ (in large part to the terrible line we have in front of him).

Moon ball offense is not going to break the losing streak in the playoffs. Pressure = Russ getting sacked or chucking it into the benches.

I'll bet a paycheck on it.

 

[xlm34]

I’m guessing we see Wilson hover around here for the rest of the year. It’ll be a little bit of a roller coaster I think.

 

[pistolpete11]

Pretty remarkable how consistently Tomlin has been able to shut down Jackson. I've given him a lot of shit, but he deserves a ton of credit for that. Outside of that 1 big run, they did well to contain Henry, too. Add in the turnovers and really wouldn't ask much more from the defense.

Why is Williams not playing more? He showed last week he doesn't have to have a complete understanding of the offense to make an impact. I still don't understand why they can't get the ball to Friermuth more, too.

I dunno. It's almost Tomlin and Harbuagh have an unwritten agreement that they won't score over 21 points and it's who can come closest without going over.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

In the modern NFL era, these guys were perfect record wise.

Don't mean to be pedantic, but would you still call 1972 the "modern NFL"?

Would argue we're in a different era with the significant rule changes. How is it fair to compare Bob Griese to Russ Wilson?

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Yesterday exposed Russ (in large part to the terrible line we have in front of him).

Moon ball offense is not going to break the losing streak in the playoffs. Pressure = Russ getting sacked or chucking it into the benches.

I'll bet a paycheck on it.

Yesterday Gp saw 12 targets the other 4 wr combined for 4. He was hunting deep shots often instead of taking the quick completion. Najaee Washington and warren combined for 13
Ben had 5 less snaps than Williams yesterday and 1 more target
Steelers Ravens is always going to be 20-17 games

 

[Empoleon8771]

I feel like the Steelers passing game could become more effective with targeting Muth and Washington more and targeting Van Jefferson and Austin less. It’s weird that Washington was just not used for 75% of the game and then had multiple huge gain catches when they actually threw to him.

Stop trying to throw moon balls to a 5’6” Austin and just stop playing Jefferson in general. Their WR depth sucks but they can distribute more pass attempts to their areas and RBs (the RB screens were working great yesterday). That’s what they did in the second half and it worked great.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

I heard someone make the joke: "Harbaugh in German translate to Tomlin"

Less than 20 carries for Henry, but the entire Balt TEAM had less than 20. All of their runners had over 5 ypc to boot.

For all the work Monken has done in the passing game, he was an absolute f***ing idiot yesterday. I bet he lived in his fears when Henry fumbled early.

Moronic.

That all aside, this was a fun game to watch and the Steelers came out on the good side of it.

Concerns:
- RZ efficiency
- Jones' keeping Wilson alive
- WR who can't get open

But all that aside, this was a Balt/Pitt slugfest and ain't nothing going to be pretty about it. Put away any style points or trends. I'm not going to knock all the FGs...points are points in these kinds of games.

I'll go back to my usual expectations next week. They should thrash the Browns, but nothing is a gimme especially on a short ass week.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

I feel like the Steelers passing game could become more effective with targeting Muth and Washington more and targeting Van Jefferson and Austin less. It’s weird that Washington was just not used for 75% of the game and then had multiple huge gain catches when they actually threw to him.

Stop trying to throw moon balls to a 5’6” Austin and just stop playing Jefferson in general. Their WR depth sucks but they can distribute more pass attempts to their areas and RBs (the RB screens were working great yesterday). That’s what they did in the second half and it worked great.

This is my entire "improve the margins" philosophy I've been saying all season.
You aren't going to get another WR1 in a trade, but you can upgrade VJ's spot and they did. But you have to actually f***ing play the dude.

Muth and Washington could make themselves a ton more money if they were hired by a franchise and a QB who throws to MOF.
Those 2 guys with their size and height should each have 30-40 catch seasons.

Fully agree on the sidelines pass to Austin...why is that play even in the book? Rip it out. Hell I'd rather have VJ running down the sidelines vs Austin.

Austin/Muth/Washington could be eating defenses alive in the MOF....

 

[ImporterExporter]

The book is written. A team that has an abysmal, as in horrific pass defense just cooked us by generating relentless pressure and often did it with 4 and 5 rushers, which is not a good look for us. Wilson looked scared, his accuracy, for the second straight week was shit. He can't evade pressure, which is why I STILL don't buy into this team. Fields would have excelled yesterday because of the broken plays and his ability to outrun most people. And yet he still can't get looks in the RZ. Inexcusable.

Broderick Jones continuing to start for a team with deep playoff aspirations is inexcusable but Tomlin reaffirmed he'll continue to start, regardless of how bad he plays. Sounds like an ego trip by the king kong of ego's.

The RZ play calling was abysmal. The execution, like the quick out to Van Jefferson that A, wouldn't have even been a 1st down had he caught it, reminds me of the glory days from Matt Canada. How many snaps did we have inside the 20, where Russ had to literally just chuck the ball into the stands? Most of them.

Plus the horrific lob pass to nobody that cost us a critical 3 late in the game.

That game shouldn't have been close. And our ineptitude against a really shitty defense highlights my reservations.

 

[Factorial]

Don't mean to be pedantic, but would you still call 1972 the "modern NFL"?

Would argue we're in a different era with the significant rule changes. How is it fair to compare Bob Griese to Russ Wilson?

Super Bowl era = Modern era IMHO.

 

[Colonel Mustard]

These last 7 games will be something. Still 5 division games plus eagles and chiefs. Really i could see things going either way.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I don't mean this to say Jones' performance has been acceptable, but just for a point of comparison:

Jones PFF this year: 50.9
Moore PFF last year: 51.8

I think Jones clearly looks like a bust, but I think you need to consider that he was extremely raw when drafted and it's not uncommon for young OL to struggle out of the gate. McCormick is rated at a 57.5 on PFF and he's a year older than Jones.

I think it's best suited to just be patient with the young OL. Not everyone is going to be as dominant as Frazier immediately, it's okay if it takes time. They need to have backup plans for both OT and OG, especially with how injury prone Fautanu is, but I don't have a huge issue going into next year with Jones-Seumalo-Frazier-McCormick-Fautanu as their OL. Nor would I have a problem re-signing Jones and having Jones as their swing 3rd OT.

I also question how much a bad link on the OL can really hurt the OL as a whole, especially when you have a dominant C, good LG and (probably) good RT. You don't need 5 70+ PFF rated OL on your OL.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1858495293194432569

 

[bigdaddyk88]

The book is written. A team that has an abysmal, as in horrific pass defense just cooked us by generating relentless pressure and often did it with 4 and 5 rushers, which is not a good look for us. Wilson looked scared, his accuracy, for the second straight week was shit. He can't evade pressure, which is why I STILL don't buy into this team. Fields would have excelled yesterday because of the broken plays and his ability to outrun most people. And yet he still can't get looks in the RZ. Inexcusable.

Broderick Jones continuing to start for a team with deep playoff aspirations is inexcusable but Tomlin reaffirmed he'll continue to start, regardless of how bad he plays. Sounds like an ego trip by the king kong of ego's.

The RZ play calling was abysmal. The execution, like the quick out to Van Jefferson that A, wouldn't have even been a 1st down had he caught it, reminds me of the glory days from Matt Canada. How many snaps did we have inside the 20, where Russ had to literally just chuck the ball into the stands? Most of them.

Plus the horrific lob pass to nobody that cost us a critical 3 late in the game.

That game shouldn't have been close. And our ineptitude against a really shitty defense highlights my reservations.

The issue is RW is always hunting deep shots instead of taking the quick passes in front of him. In Denver they did a ton of 2 wr delay Te routes with RW. He feed Sutton he will feed GP.
They have to get Muth Washington and Williams involved in the redzone. I do think they use Fields as a runner inside the 15 some with 3 te.
Jones was the top ranked OL coming off the Washington game but the people who track refs tendencies said he would struggle this week because the refs call tons of holding on o line and let db and wr play

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

The book is written. A team that has an abysmal, as in horrific pass defense just cooked us by generating relentless pressure and often did it with 4 and 5 rushers, which is not a good look for us. Wilson looked scared, his accuracy, for the second straight week was shit. He can't evade pressure, which is why I STILL don't buy into this team. Fields would have excelled yesterday because of the broken plays and his ability to outrun most people. And yet he still can't get looks in the RZ. Inexcusable.

Broderick Jones continuing to start for a team with deep playoff aspirations is inexcusable but Tomlin reaffirmed he'll continue to start, regardless of how bad he plays. Sounds like an ego trip by the king kong of ego's.

The RZ play calling was abysmal. The execution, like the quick out to Van Jefferson that A, wouldn't have even been a 1st down had he caught it, reminds me of the glory days from Matt Canada. How many snaps did we have inside the 20, where Russ had to literally just chuck the ball into the stands? Most of them.

Plus the horrific lob pass to nobody that cost us a critical 3 late in the game.

That game shouldn't have been close. And our ineptitude against a really shitty defense highlights my reservations.

I think you're underselling the Ravens defense a bit. They are really good against the run and make you 1 dimensional.

Re: Jones- what are the other options this team has? They tried to address RT in the draft but he got injured. They also knew Jones was raw and he needs to learn. We've complained repeatedly that rookies need to get PT so you have to accept the lows with the exposure.

I think they are slowly dabbling to have Fields get package plays. I believe we'll see him come in when the team gets near the 5 yard line or other short yardage plays.

Russ had a couple boneheaded plays but so does every other QB. He's been more good than bad and considering his age, you have to expect that.

Jeez...I'm now DEFENDING this team/Tomlin hahaha

 

[Peat]

I will say one positive thing about Fields' early slide - it completely negated any possibility of a fumble, which would have been by far the worst outcome of that play. Should have done better with it regardless but I do wonder if that was on his mind.

I don't mean this to say Jones' performance has been acceptable, but just for a point of comparison:

Jones PFF this year: 50.9
Moore PFF last year: 51.8

I think Jones clearly looks like a bust, but I think you need to consider that he was extremely raw when drafted and it's not uncommon for young OL to struggle out of the gate. McCormick is rated at a 57.5 on PFF and he's a year older than Jones.

I think it's best suited to just be patient with the young OL. Not everyone is going to be as dominant as Frazier immediately, it's okay if it takes time. They need to have backup plans for both OT and OG, especially with how injury prone Fautanu is, but I don't have a huge issue going into next year with Jones-Seumalo-Frazier-McCormick-Fautanu as their OL. Nor would I have a problem re-signing Jones and having Jones as their swing 3rd OT.

I also question how much a bad link on the OL can really hurt the OL as a whole, especially when you have a dominant C, good LG and (probably) good RT. You don't need 5 70+ PFF rated OL on your OL.

You mean re-signing Moore and having Jones at swing 3rd OT, right?

But in any case, yes, the idea Jones can't keep improving is easily disproved by looking at the other side of the line. Not just Moore either; Seumalo only started the majority of games in his 3rd season in the NFL. And both of those guys indicate this would be true even if Jones didn't have the excuse of being really raw.

But I do also think it's very easy to find plays where one malfunctioning OL blows it all up. It's been a massive impediment for years. Sure, you can live without 5 70+ guys, but I think a team will notice the drag of a guy who's stuck in the low 50s in a big way. I know I've certainly noticed that drag.

 

[Colonel Mustard]

The issue is RW is always hunting deep shots instead of taking the quick passes in front of him. In Denver they did a ton of 2 wr delay Te routes with RW. He feed Sutton he will feed GP.
They have to get Muth Washington and Williams involved in the redzone. I do think they use Fields as a runner inside the 15 some with 3 te.
Jones was the top ranked OL coming off the Washington game but the people who track refs tendencies said he would struggle this week because the refs call tons of holding on o line and let db and wr play

He is like the anti pickett in this. Pickett always just checked down no matter how open guys were down field

I will say one positive thing about Fields' early slide - it completely negated any possibility of a fumble, which would have been by far the worst outcome of that play. Should have done better with it regardless but I do wonder if that was on his mind.



You mean re-signing Moore and having Jones at swing 3rd OT, right?

But in any case, yes, the idea Jones can't keep improving is easily disproved by looking at the other side of the line. Not just Moore either; Seumalo only started the majority of games in his 3rd season in the NFL. And both of those guys indicate this would be true even if Jones didn't have the excuse of being really raw.

But I do also think it's very easy to find plays where one malfunctioning OL blows it all up. It's been a massive impediment for years. Sure, you can live without 5 70+ guys, but I think a team will notice the drag of a guy who's stuck in the low 50s in a big way. I know I've certainly noticed that drag.

I have to think the team hammered into fields to get down quick to avoid a fumble.

Jones, if he cuts down on the penalties that are just back breakers, we may have something

 

[xlm34]

I’d be tempted at this point to just leave Jones at RT and continue to develop there with Fautanu playing LT — I’m not sure if his issues are solely playing a side he wasn’t used to and at this point he’s probably played as many games at RT in the NFL as he did at LT in college.