OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: 5 and 2 Justin who? Hand the Fields to Wilson

Power Surge

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I'm also a Buccaneers fan since I moved and now live in Florida. The funniest thing about today was watching Eagle fans being hot and miserable. And also watching Eagle players one by one being carted off because of the heat.
Not that i expected you to care i dealt with hurricane Helene, because im mean to you all. But I made it through it no problem.
I'll take Baker over Fields all day.

Tomlin only wishes he was as smart as Todd Bowles. There is no comparison, it's a crime Bowles isn't credited for his brilliant defensive mind.
 
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Or maybe Harris just isn't hitting those rushing lanes while these other guys are capable of doing that?

It's been 4 years with Harris now and the only RB Harris has outperformed in terms of yards/carry is Benny Snell Jr. He was outperformed by Warren in each of the last 2 years and is now getting outperformed by a 33 year old Cordarrelle Pattersson. I don't see how you can look at this ridiculously common trend and somehow assign it to be anything but talent related with Harris.


He ranks tied for 247th in the NFL in terms of rushing yards per attempt in the NFL, and the only other active player that is worse than him is Jamaal Williams. He's another Leonard Fournette type of back: he's a volume power back that only offers value with his availability. Ironically, Fournette was replaced entirely by an undrafted FA backup when the Jags released him and upgraded James Robinson (1070 rushing yards, 4.5 yards/attempt in 2020) to their RB1 spot.

By taking the point of view that usage matters more than talent for RBs and that the usage is markedly different. The usage being different is a matter of statistical record. Yards per carry is also mainly a reflection of usage. Has Harris been used more stupidly than any other RB in the NFL over the last three years? I find that pretty easy to believe.

If we're trying to measure more in terms of usage, we look at something like EPA. It's far from perfect and still reflects surrounding personnel a ton but Here's a chart showing RB EPA from last season in terms of perfectly blocked and non-perfectly blocked.


It's saying Harris is around average. It's also saying that if you see a chart saying Harris had awful EPA last season, he probably didn't have much perfect blocking in front of him... which we knew. Does the chart say Warren was better? Yeah, but not by a whole ton.

Certainly not enough to think Harris is some awful player and they can never make the scheme work with him.
 

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Easily winnable game if our coaches made any semblance of adjustments. Four rushers on Flacco was a large completion 100% of the time.

Najee is the worst starting RB in the league and probably worse than a lot of backups. I'd venture to guess if Patterson was healthy we would have won.

Once again awful officiating, but that's the NFL. Awful product.
 

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Easily winnable game if our coaches made any semblance of adjustments. Four rushers on Flacco was a large completion 100% of the time.

Najee is the worst starting RB in the league and probably worse than a lot of backups. I'd venture to guess if Patterson was healthy we would have won.

Once again awful officiating, but that's the NFL. Awful product.
Not blitzing Flacco until very late was alarming and astounding.
 

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The Steelers have one of the lowest blitz rates of any team in the NFL all season. Today was just more of the same - Watt and Herbig and the others just weren't getting home, at least before the 4th quarter. Yet another example where a lack of adjustments bit them - I'd assume they would be hesitant to blitz Richardson to avoid him breaking contain and running, but it seemed there were zero changes when the statue Flacco came in and Flacco was always very vulnerable to the blitz back when he was a Raven.
 

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Week 4 QB efficiency pending SNF and the two MNF games

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Flacco QB3
Fields QB9
 

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I don’t think the Steelers D was ready for the Colts coming out aggressive on offense. They weren’t prepared for that. That is on the coaching staff having them ready for any situation.
I am sick and tired of all the slow starts under this coaching staff.

Part of it is the out-dated mentality of Tomlin trying to win every game 13-10.
 

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When the Steelers weren’t shooting themselves in the foot the refs were more than happy to pull the trigger for them. About the only mistake missing from the Steelers would have been a punt blocked or maybe kickoff returned for a TD. Admirable that they were able to make it a competitive game given everything that went wrong - which of course went right until the very end. Thankful that we’ll at least have that extra timeout at our disposal for the next game.

And Patrick Queen might be the NFL equivalent of Konstantin Koltsov.
 

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You watch other teams and you realize that the Steelers are not a professionally coached team lol
 

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You watch other teams and you realize that the Steelers are not a professionally coached team lol
What team are you talking about?
KC who just lost Rice for the year Harbaugh for the chargers who lost today at home to kc. Denver who beat the Jets with 60 yards passing from nix
 

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Such as the Bills who look like a 1984 WAC defense? Not to rain on your "shit all over everything Pittsburgh" parade, but is that who you mean?
Well the Bills don’t look great but at least these teams look organized and they don’t make boneheaded mistakes like fumbling no reason, lining up in shotgun on 4th and a half yard, challenging the wrong play,and they appear to have the center-QB exchange down…
 
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Well the Bills don’t look great but at least these teams look organized and they don’t make boneheaded mistakes like fumbling no reason, lining up in shotgun on 4th and a half yard, challenging the wrong play,and they appear to have the center-QB exchange down…
Well, Lamar did just fumble on a boneheaded scramble, the Bills did lineup in shotgun in 4th and 1, and the Bills' safeties take angles that would embarrass a high school team. Tomlin is uniquely awful as challenges, though.

And there the Ravens just gave up a 1st down by taking consecutive timeouts on defense. Professional team, I guess.
 

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Man, Buffalo was 3-0 and looks probably worse than the Steelers tonight lol…
 

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Tomlin said they prepared all week for Richardson so it took them longer than usual to make adjustments for Flacco.

Really? They just sit back and play their same defense for a run option QB who can't pass for Flacco without adjusting anything? So they just play zone with no pressure for 2 quarters because, well that's what they prepared for, no adjustments here.

I guess the 700 times Flacco has played the Steelers in his 20 year career must have never crossed Tomlins mind lol.

It's hard to understate what an awful in game coach Tomlin is. Probably the worst.
 

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You watch other teams and you realize that the Steelers are not a professionally coached team lol
The lack of fundamentals after four games is pretty disturbing. I agree it's bush league!

Man, Buffalo was 3-0 and looks probably worse than the Steelers tonight lol…
TBTH Alot of the early season makes very little sense. Look what the Broncos have done the last two weeks.

And the Commanders look like the best team in the NFC east. JD is easily the best of this QB crop.
 

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The lack of fundamentals after four games is pretty disturbing. I agree it's bush league!


TBTH Alot of the early season makes very little sense. Look what the Broncos have done the last two weeks.

And the Commanders look like the best team in the NFC east. JD is easily the best of this QB crop.

Never seen so many upsets in the NFL. Until recently, coincidentally coinciding with the rising popularity of sports betting. Nearly every week all the big underdogs are beating the heavily favored better teams. These are things that never happened 10+ years ago when sports betting wasn't as popular or legal.

It's clear to me, our once beloved sport has been corrupted and is now rigged to its core. Las Vegas now runs the NFL. It is a sickening sight to behold. Kids these days will not know what a pure and organic NFL game looks like. It is now as scripted as the WWE.

When did legends like Aaron Rodgers lose to rookie QBs with 50 yards passing 10 years ago? It never happened and the only logical explanation is Vegas rigging our once beloved sport.
 
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I think the young OL did OK. Jones has to get off the right side. He's not good over there. That experiment has gone on way too long.

Najee is not good. He's just flat out not good. Let him walk and bring in a RB that has some juice to their game. Dude won't even be in the NFL for long after he leaves us. He legitimately does nothing great.

This team is poorly coached (yawn). I can sort of give a pass to the offense because it really was a super young unit out there, but this f***ing defense...wow. What a clown mask they revealed to the football world yesterday. Top unit in the NFL? Not even remotely close. JPJ had with I think was his worst game as a Steeler. Dropped balls, they passed at will against him.

No real reason to get angry. Nothing is going to change, but my dunce of the week is Teryl Austin and his unit. Biggest joke in the league yesterday. Joe Flacco....

The lack of fundamentals after four games is pretty disturbing. I agree it's bush league!


TBTH Alot of the early season makes very little sense. Look what the Broncos have done the last two weeks.

And the Commanders look like the best team in the NFC east. JD is easily the best of this QB crop.
He is. It's not close. And he very well may be the best QB in the league. Daniels is the best parts of an athletic QB and QB that can play the game of football with his mind. The new owner of the Skins was given a gift.
 

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I don't want to belabor the Harris part, but on the "I've seen him take over games", Harris only has 5 career games of 100 or more rushing yards. He downright dominated the Browns back in 2022, with 188 rushing yards on 28 carries, but that's really about it in terms of games he really "dominated". That doesn't mean he doesn't have other good games, but is putting up 105 yards on 26 carries a particularly notable game? Not really.

He only has 3 games of putting up above a 5.0 yards/carry and 100 yards. He has more games averaging below 3 yards per carry (14) than games of averaging more than 5 yards per carry (8), and about 60% of his games fall below 4.0 yards/carry (32 of 54). I just simply do not see any sort of performance he has given, outside of that monster game against the Browns 3 seasons ago, that says anything but "he's just a volume back". He has far more "14 carries for 37 yards" type of performances than any sort of performances that you can call dominant. Maybe he shows glimpses where he takes over for a quarter, sure, but I figure most players can do that.

For comparison, Warren has 12 performances of 5.0 yards/carry or better, and even if you take out the sub-50 yard games, he's still at 6 games of things like "11 carries for 88 yards" or "15 carries for 101 yards". And that's with Warren playing a season less than Harris.



The Steelers have an absolutely awful track record with 1sts in the last 10 years. They're lucky as hell Watt became a monster because their 1st rounders have been horrid. Jones, Pickett, Harris, Bush, Edmunds and Burns are all just bad picks.

The Steelers have drafted great in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, but man they have whiffed on so many 1sts and I'm not seeing why I should think Jones will be any different. Thankfully Fautanu looks good, but he just needs to stay healthy.
All one needs to see is the pop the offense gets when Patterson is in there.
 

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My thoughts:

-I'm not blaming Tomlin entirely for this loss, but he's got a finger in this pie. He continues to be a game day moron: Electing to punt vs a 60ish yard FG in a dome with 1 of the best kickers in the game. If his overriding philosophy is "if I miss, I don't want to put my defense in a bad spot", I can get down with that thought process. BUT...
- He then elects to go for it on 4th and short in his own territory when those plays haven't turned out well so far this year. This is with a history of a poor C/QB exchange issues
- Whoever is suggesting he challenges/don't challenges needs to be fired. Tomlin has the worst challenge record of all the coaches. That was clearly a catch
- Harris mimics his coach and is a dumb player. From jumping over the pile from the 3 yard line to not getting OOB late. Dude is just not a football player
-Rough day for Pickens. Drops a TD and fumbles at the GL. Woof
- Colts' defense was brutal and they couldn't do jack against them.
- Did Watt even play yesterday?
- The defense looks like they always do against an offense that actually attacks them, instead of ones that are satisfied getting into a shoving match.
This defense is every bit as predictable as the offense, but it has a few guys that are able to make plays at opportune times. When an offense is able to neutralize those guys, we get what we get today.
- BS penalty on Fitz. Elliott looks to be a great player and I'm still high on D Jackson
 

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