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I'm torn on the whole DeBoer debate.

On one hand, I consider whether this start and adjustments to new personnel deserves more time to gel, although there are alarming deficiencies in defensive coverage and defending leads.

On the other, I ask.... Who is going to replace him? Bringing in a new coach could set us back even farther if we try to install some new system.

It's been nice having some coaching stability for the first time in a long time, but that inability to show wins in regulation dating well into last year is fugly.
 
LL has a big part in this debacle. Parise - he was gone. Deal was on the table for Dustin Brown from LA. But how could you trade your captain. Don't like Brown, get J. Bernier instead. Now you have a goalie. No need to trade your Ist rounder last year for Cory, who is a good goalie. Trade draft picks for Steve Sullivan and Ponikoravsky. Terrific. Sign Salvador, Elias -WTF. Letting Clarkson go, actually a smart move. Clarkson wasn't worth it. Sign Harrold,? Now a log jam at D. So let Urbom go. Real good. Continue to bring in vets at Defense and watch all these young D men walk when lt's time for a new contract. Gio, should be in Albany. So to blame all this on PDB isn't fair. LL had a huge hand in this. By the way, Marty talking about another season, nope, time to move on. Need another young goalie, not another over the hill vet holding on. So before PDB is canned maybe it's time Lou gives up the GM position and let someone with no ties to anyone start the re-building process. This should have been done starting last year. Devils were an overtime goal of being bounced in the first round by Fla. The SC run just clouded everyone's judgement of this team.
 
I dont believe Deboer is the problem with this team. I think the problem coach is the guy no one wants to be the problem coach.

There has been a clear decline in my eyes in the D on this team and that falls on the shoulders of Scott Stevens.

Under Robinson this D was much better. You can claim age or whatever but other then Greene it seems most regressed some.

While Deboer will take the hit before any of the assists do i dont think it would be fair for that to happen.
 
Unknown Caller said:
I haven't seen anything from Fayne that makes me think he's much of an upgrade from Harrold. Fayne might be slightly better defensively (and that's debatable), but Harrold is an offensive upgrade from Fayne. Toss up between those two.

I agree that Fayne is better than Volchenkov, but the difference isn't all that significant. If you remove price tag and age and simply evaluate the players based on their on-ice play, Fayne is slightly better but they're not separated by much.

I know that's not a popular opinion on this board, but I don't see the reliable defenseman in Fayne that everyone else does.
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Defenseman are supposed to keep pucks from going in the net. Harrold does not keep them from going and also does not assist or score goals. Harrold is a 27 year old AHLer for a reason.

I agree that Fayne is nothing special either but you have to give him a chance. We know what Harrold is capable of already and it isn't anything great. He has his little speed demon runs but the bad outweighs the good. He doesn't have what it take to be a solid NHLer. He is a smaller version of Mike Motteau.

I say trade Henrique or even Loktionov for a defenseman. I hate to trade either one but we don't have much to dangle. Zajac is an expensive bust that we will have to live with. Nobody wants crab slow with a fat pay check.:devils
 
Devils Unseen Hand said:
During some down time today, I finally thought of who could right the Devils ship when/should Petey D. gets the enviable hook from the Devils Coaching Position.

He won't be the favorite amongst everyone here, nor myself for that matter. However, he will get the most out of everyone on this roster. Moreover, he wants a Stanley Cup to his resume.

That man would be Pat Quinn. :yo:
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He's 70 years old with one bad season coaching since the lockout. If any geriatric's going behind the bench it's Lemaire, but I think his younger fanboy (Boucher) would be a more likely choice.
 
JJL185 said:
LL has a big part in this debacle. Parise - he was gone. Deal was on the table for Dustin Brown from LA. But how could you trade your captain. Don't like Brown, get J. Bernier instead. Now you have a goalie. No need to trade your Ist rounder last year for Cory, who is a good goalie. Trade draft picks for Steve Sullivan and Ponikoravsky. Terrific. Sign Salvador, Elias -WTF. Letting Clarkson go, actually a smart move. Clarkson wasn't worth it. Sign Harrold,? Now a log jam at D. So let Urbom go. Real good. Continue to bring in vets at Defense and watch all these young D men walk when lt's time for a new contract. Gio, should be in Albany. So to blame all this on PDB isn't fair. LL had a huge hand in this. By the way, Marty talking about another season, nope, time to move on. Need another young goalie, not another over the hill vet holding on. So before PDB is canned maybe it's time Lou gives up the GM position and let someone with no ties to anyone start the re-building process. This should have been done starting last year. Devils were an overtime goal of being bounced in the first round by Fla. The SC run just clouded everyone's judgement of this team.
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dude what are you talking about
 
I mean I suppose it would have been a plausible trade but I've NEVER heard that specific rumor (Brown-Parise). I never heard anything concrete about Parise period because that's not the way Lou operates. He doesn't trade his UFA's - though he should do Fayne a favor and break that rule this year.
 
The reason we are not NHL gms is because typically fans are too reactionary. PD is not getting fired 5 games in But..........if we are sitting 2-8-3 or something like that watch out. Lou will make. A move. I'm a fringe debtor supporter because I really thought this team outplayed the opposition a lot last year and said it was bad luck and sub par goaltending. Now I'm seeing the same thing but actually a little worse. So I feel pd is already starting to sweat if we lose a few more in a row he is gone. Is it all his fault? Well that depends on who is pulling the strings w lineups I'm not so sure volchenkov isn't being showcased early maybe Harold too. There is no good reason those two are in our lineup when there are clearly better options.
 
Zajacs Bowl Cut said:
that just isn't true.
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Oh.

He's a 2nd or 3rd pairing defenseman on a good team and is paid like it. He's also being benched for Pete Harrold and Anton so how good could he be? He's an average player. Certainly should be playing but if he needs to be anything more than a mid pairing dman on a team they will not go anywhere.
 
captainscott said:
The reason we are not NHL gms is because typically fans are too reactionary. PD is not getting fired 5 games in But..........if we are sitting 2-8-3 or something like that watch out. Lou will make. A move. I'm a fringe debtor supporter because I really thought this team outplayed the opposition a lot last year and said it was bad luck and sub par goaltending. Now I'm seeing the same thing but actually a little worse. So I feel pd is already starting to sweat if we lose a few more in a row he is gone. Is it all his fault? Well that depends on who is pulling the strings w lineups I'm not so sure volchenkov isn't being showcased early maybe Harold too. There is no good reason those two are in our lineup when there are clearly better options.
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Again...we go winless on this Canada road trip, Petey D. is GONE!!!

If Lou keeps him around long enough that it's Johnny Mac #2 & we fail to make the playoffs, Lou himself we'll be asked to retire in the off-season by the new owners.

In the world of business, there is no time for losers. These owners are Self-Made Winners!!!

Therefore, Zero Tolerance for repeating failure.
 
JJL185 said:
LL has a big part in this debacle. Parise - he was gone. Deal was on the table for Dustin Brown from LA. But how could you trade your captain. Don't like Brown, get J. Bernier instead. Now you have a goalie. No need to trade your Ist rounder last year for Cory, who is a good goalie. Trade draft picks for Steve Sullivan and Ponikoravsky. Terrific. Sign Salvador, Elias -WTF. Letting Clarkson go, actually a smart move. Clarkson wasn't worth it. Sign Harrold,? Now a log jam at D. So let Urbom go. Real good. Continue to bring in vets at Defense and watch all these young D men walk when lt's time for a new contract. Gio, should be in Albany. So to blame all this on PDB isn't fair. LL had a huge hand in this. By the way, Marty talking about another season, nope, time to move on. Need another young goalie, not another over the hill vet holding on. So before PDB is canned maybe it's time Lou gives up the GM position and let someone with no ties to anyone start the re-building process. This should have been done starting last year. Devils were an overtime goal of being bounced in the first round by Fla. The SC run just clouded everyone's judgement of this team.
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Yikes
 
Schneider is way better than Bernier. Why the hell would we rather trade for him than Schneider?

We got better value on the Schneider trade IMO. Toronto had to pay a second for Bernier, I think a roster player, and their young backup goalie. We wouldn't have gotten him that cheap cause we had an old backup goalie, and no NHL ready younger goalies. We got Schneider for just a first.

And you really blame Lou for re signing Elias? Really? And giving Marty a two year deal after a pretty good season, and by far his best playoff performance in almost 10 years?
 
The worst part of all of this is the fact that we're going to have a bottom 5-10 team and no 1st round pick. That's a huge, huge loss and we don't even have the guy on the team that we lost the pick for. That's on Lou's head. Sorry, no other GM screwed the pooch on that but him.
 
NJDevils#4 said:
The worst part of all of this is the fact that we're going to have a bottom 5-10 team and no 1st round pick. That's a huge, huge loss and we don't even have the guy on the team that we lost the pick for. That's on Lou's head. Sorry, no other GM screwed the pooch on that but him.
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One of the worst decisions in any sport I've seen in years. If there was some can't miss nhl ready prospect fine, but Matteau is nothing special. Lou's worst decision as GM.
 
NJDevils#4 said:
The worst part of all of this is the fact that we're going to have a bottom 5-10 team and no 1st round pick. That's a huge, huge loss and we don't even have the guy on the team that we lost the pick for. That's on Lou's head. Sorry, no other GM screwed the pooch on that but him.
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I honestly blame JVB for that one. So glad the Huckster is gone. I also have a mind to think JVB might have been behind the Volchenkov contract to give Kovalchuk a buddy on the team.

I could be wrong on the Volchenkov part, but I'm pretty confident JVB was definitely behind Kovalchuk.
 
SteveCangialosi123 said:
One of the worst decisions in any sport I've seen in years. If there was some can't miss nhl ready prospect fine, but Matteau is nothing special. Lou's worst decision as GM.
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Lou definitely deserves some criticism for not forfeiting pick #29 IMO.

I'm not very high on Matteau to begin with, so I'll probably not be able to help being biased against him when he is in the NHL full time.

The fact that we burned a year off his contract for no reason, also infuriates me.
 
I'd just like JL to teach him some things on defensive zone structure and personelle decision making.
 
SteveCangialosi123 said:
Oh.

He's a 2nd or 3rd pairing defenseman on a good team and is paid like it. He's also being benched for Pete Harrold and Anton so how good could he be? He's an average player. Certainly should be playing but if he needs to be anything more than a mid pairing dman on a team they will not go anywhere.
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Josefson and Lokti are being benched over Gionta too...does that mean they aren't better?
 
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Bleedred said:
Lou definitely deserves some criticism for not forfeiting pick #29 IMO.

I'm not very high on Matteau to begin with, so I'll probably not be able to help being biased against him when he is in the NHL full time.

The fact that we burned a year off his contract for no reason, also infuriates me.
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There was no way to figure out who was going to be there at pick #29, so *****ing about Matteau is irrelevent here.

I wasn't in favour of keeping our pick back then and I haven't changed my mind since. It is completely moronic to think that adding a prospect in 2012 is worth more in terms of value to our organisation compared to a 2014 draft pick.

To me, it all depends on where we pick and not when. If for whatever reason, we finish as a lottery team (top 5 pick), are we suppose to believe that Lou will be thriilled about losing a potential top line player over a possible 2nd line or 3rd line player? With how we've been drafting in the later first round, keeping the 29th overall pick was possibly one of the worst decision our GM has made in the past 2 decades.
 
SteveCangialosi123 said:
No. Lokti missed 1 game. Mark Fayne is nothing more than an average mid pairing defenseman. What do you think he is?
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and Josefson has played 1 game. according to your logic, Gionta is better since hes playing.

I think Fayne a solid #3. and the defensive metrics prove it. he is one of the best at getting the puck out of the zone in the NHL.
 
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