He's getting points. He has to be involved in the play to get an assist. His physicality has been fine. Go back and look at Vladi's goal in the Chicago game. His hit on Seabrook was directly responsible for that goal. I'm not saying the guy is a superstar, but he's earning his money.
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That's not the point, the point is his contribution is to sit on the side of the net and bump the puck back out. When he's tried to actually do something, the puck usually ends up in the corner with his jam play. Last night, his point came because Bozak's shot deflected to Tarasenko, who actually has outstanding instincts and was able to put that puck in.
Yes, his hit on Seabrook was excellent but moments earlier, he failed on his breakaway. Regardless though, I give him full credit because he got his feet moving and crushed Seabrook. That's his value to me. He needs to use his size and punish the other teams defense....he did it once. I'm just not seeing anything unique that he brings. His PP production isnt unique, outside of his behind the back pass to Vladi on one goal, he hasnt "done" anything.
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Maroon is 9th on the team in P/60 with 2.48. True, Schwartz is struggling at 15th with 1.45. However, Maroon is getting Powerplay time with O'Reilly's unit which is producing. Schwartz' unit is not. Schwartz and Maroon have a hand in that difference, but so does the coaching strategy and other personnel. Contrary at Even Strength, Maroon is 22nd on the team in P/60 with .47, whereas Schwartz is 13th with 1.42. So yeas, Schwartz does need to produce more. However, Maroon, at even strength, is getting outproduced by basically everyone that has played (only beating Blais, Gunnersson, Jerabek and Thorburn). Jay f***ing Bouwmeester has better ES P/60 than Maroon.
Maroon is benefiting from a decision to run the PP through him. Its working, but I doubt he is doing anything that a ton of other players couldn't do if put them in his place with the same strategy. Our PP is getting more powerplay opportunities per game than any other team and is 4th on conversion. Those numbers will decline over time. As goes our PP, so goes Maroon.
Also Maroon is the worst on our team at GA/60 (aside from Jerabek). His GA @ 5v5 is bad. He is .5 G/60 worse than the next worst Tarasenko, who is in turn .5 GA/60 worse than the next. He very nearly has double Schwartz' GA/60 6.05 vs 3.3. So there is a lot more to the comparison than strictly points.
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I'll take issue when he quits producing points. He took a huge cut in pay to come here, and he only signed for a year, so he's in danger of not staying unless he produces.
that's basically his job on the power-play. This screenshot is from the 2nd period Tarasenko goal against Chicago. Basically, it's about all he's good for, so if you're missing him screening the goalie, you're probably not noticing him doing much else.
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I'm fine with this 1yr deal. It's the rumored deal that scares me. I'd like to think managment will look alot deeper then pts because as Majorityof1 posted, he's terrible outside of riding on PP1
That's the only thing I can comment on. My point is that he's produced for what he's being paid.
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No, its only proof that Maroon has been god-awful at Even Strength. Don't knock the stats because you don't like the story they tell. All stats are limited in what they represent and can be misused and misunderstood. But ES P/60 is no better or worse at that than the stat you are using, total points.
I agree with all of this, but to me it speaks less of the player and more of how he's being utilized by Yeo and how coaching is approaching handling him. There is some potential there that should be dragged out by management and refined, especially if Maroon wants to play in the STL and be around his son, that should give enough incentive for him to do pretty much whatever management tells him to... sadly our management has Mike Yeo running things with big holes in coaching.
When we signed Maroon, I knew what we were getting and decided to base him on performance. If he ends up with 30+ points for 1.75m, I'm not seeing a negative here. I do see a big negative in how he's utilized and that's not a Maroon problem but a much bigger Yeo problem. If he can keep up even half of his 7 points in our first 11 games, would you really be upset? I'd hope not.
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I would be more confident if we see the PP strategy go between the side of the net option to Maroon actually screening the goalie. They seem to go to the net option every time though. Maroon is over there way before he needs to. It telegraphs the play.
It's odd, I'm still not overly confident in the PP even though they score every game
I don't mind fans supporting any player, but Patty M. is in a competition for ice time that will require him to play at his best. Hopefully for him, we haven't seen his best.
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I've been underwhelmed. Although for the money it's fine. And it is a great story.
He needs to be more physical. He's done absolutely nothing 5 on 5.
He needs to be more physical. He's done absolutely nothing 5 on 5.
I like him. He has had a lot of shots but surprised he doesn't have a goal yet. I didn't think he was a top six guy as Yeo been using him as and could be an issue. People act like he doesn't do anything when he made some big hits. The Blues have a lot of depth and Fabbri is now back and he can get points from any line at this point. Hell we saw Sunny on the forth line get 2 goals last night, who saw that coming? He had a great game, and with all the talent, Maroon will be getting his goals soon enough. Still a fan of his and like him in front of nets, we missed having that guy for a couple of years, Backes was that guy and didn't score a TON but had his share by the end of the season.
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BingoThis is the Pat Maroon appreciation thread. If you don't got anything nice to say then GTFO
AjaxManifesto
Pro sports is becoming predictable and boring
It’s very clear this community needs a player to hate.
Jake
Paddy
Bouw
We need to hire a guy just to be a hate magnet so that our starters don’t get maligned game after game.
Jake
Paddy
Bouw
We need to hire a guy just to be a hate magnet so that our starters don’t get maligned game after game.
People dont hate those players, they just hate how they perform.
I like having Maroon on the team. Because he fills that role of a Reaves type guy that has the ability to stand up and fight anybody in the league, but he's a better player than Reaves and can score 30+ points. I think that's a good element to have on the 3rd or 4th line, even the 2nd line in a pinch. I don't want him to see much top 6 time, but he's proved he's good enough to do it in case injuries hit so for that he's a nice depth option.
Maroon has his strengths and weaknesses. He's one of those guys who is going to have some good games and some bad games. He is what he is. I personally think he gets too much hate, but whatever.
As for Bouwmeester and Allen, well they just suck and deserve all the criticism they get.
Maroon has his strengths and weaknesses. He's one of those guys who is going to have some good games and some bad games. He is what he is. I personally think he gets too much hate, but whatever.
As for Bouwmeester and Allen, well they just suck and deserve all the criticism they get.
It might come down to Maroon splitting time with Barbeshev, Soshnikov, Sundqvist if Fabbri stays healthy long enough to move up the lineup. I think Fabs will, but you never know.
LW depth --- Schwartz, Sanford, Steen, Fabbri, Barbeshev, Maroon ... that's tough competition. Of course some of those guys play some RW (like steen right now). Still those 5 without Steen forces Maroon to line 4 at best if Fabbri stays healthy.
Patty might need to crush somebody during a practice session like Jaskin on Sanford last year. Kidding.
LW depth --- Schwartz, Sanford, Steen, Fabbri, Barbeshev, Maroon ... that's tough competition. Of course some of those guys play some RW (like steen right now). Still those 5 without Steen forces Maroon to line 4 at best if Fabbri stays healthy.
Patty might need to crush somebody during a practice session like Jaskin on Sanford last year. Kidding.
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This post is just ignorance. This community has produced dozens of well supported, well-reasoned posts about why people are dissatisfied with each of those three individuals. If you don't agree, feel free to point out why the evidence isn't persuasive, what if any evidence was ignored or why the poster came to the wrong conclusion. I am sure plenty of posters would love to engage in an actual discussion and some might even keep an open mind. However, to just lump the entire fanbase into a single group with a malicious motive is completely reductive. It ignores all the reasoning and evidence presented.
Do fan-bases unreasonably hate certain players for poor reasons? I am sure it happens. More often they dislike players who they think are liabilities on the ice. We want our favorite team to win and are upset by the things that stop that from happening. That generally includes the refs, good players on other teams and bad players on our team. We are not always right when we say the refs were biased, the opposing player is a dirty-rotten cheater or our player is a no-account bum. However, it comes from a desire to see the team win and not a desire to have someone to hate. If we won the Stanley Cup, nobody would be hating on those guys.
If you are not intelligent enough to understand and discuss the reasons people put forward as to why they dislike a player, then you shouldn't bother to even respond. Feel free to call out individuals who hate without evidence or discussion; however, don't lump the entire fanbase into one category and mischaracterize their motives.
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