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I still listen to the morning show everyday and while it isn't as good without Simmer, it is still enjoyable.
The Official Ottawa Sports Radio Thread - PART XIII
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Filatov2Kovalev2Bonk
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The morning The show is pretty ok, especially when they have Corrado and company on for their takes.
The afternoon show...RIP, there's no need for this. Just stream in ESPN and the quality will be so much higher than what's provided here, would be unbelievable. AJ is basically a Redblacks Booster and an angry guy who's screaming at clouds, the perhaps thousand or so in his purview. I was annoyed by Versage at times but boy was he smart and knowledgeable. AJ is just...screaming and angry.
The partner started calling him "Anger Management" Jakubec since he was never mellow.
I mean you're on Ottawa Sports Radio, this isn't a demanding job, just carry water for the teams and have a take now and then. No idea about shutting down or merges, but CFRA+Sens games would be fine. Redblacks can go on Carleton's radio or stay on the corpse of TSN 1200 I guess.
The afternoon show...RIP, there's no need for this. Just stream in ESPN and the quality will be so much higher than what's provided here, would be unbelievable. AJ is basically a Redblacks Booster and an angry guy who's screaming at clouds, the perhaps thousand or so in his purview. I was annoyed by Versage at times but boy was he smart and knowledgeable. AJ is just...screaming and angry.
The partner started calling him "Anger Management" Jakubec since he was never mellow.
I mean you're on Ottawa Sports Radio, this isn't a demanding job, just carry water for the teams and have a take now and then. No idea about shutting down or merges, but CFRA+Sens games would be fine. Redblacks can go on Carleton's radio or stay on the corpse of TSN 1200 I guess.
Tuna99
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Historical innacuracy here from the Ottawa sun, Heatkey wasn’t traded the day after the rejected Oilers trade, he came to pre season camp and Clouston said “I want to see the whites of his eyes” as if he the Sens organization was in some sort of dick swinging competition and the entire thing as a fan was embrassing and exhausting and showed how poorly run the Sens were run, and then they botched the trade.
Anyways, this is lazy editing and how the Sun can’t even get this right is why the Sun is the Sun. He’s literally quoting his own paper for half the article and then goes into make belief for the 2nd half.
The degree of difficulty on this article would be marshmallow, it’s just really lazy.
Anyways, this is lazy editing and how the Sun can’t even get this right is why the Sun is the Sun. He’s literally quoting his own paper for half the article and then goes into make belief for the 2nd half.
The degree of difficulty on this article would be marshmallow, it’s just really lazy.
Beech
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I am listening to JR and the TSN1200 poll on Ottawa's scoring wows.
Here is something to consider
2021 draft
Boucher..a bust, but was never a scorer
Osta, a semi bust, but was never a scorer
2020 draft
Timmie..point getter, not a scorer
Greig..a point getter, not a scorer
Jar... a bust
Sok..a bust
2019 draft
Pinto..a two way player, not a scorer
2018 draft
Brady T... a scorer. One guy and is injured
2017 draft
Bowers... abut, was not a scorer
Formento.. a scorer..may end up in jail
Batherson.. a point getter, not a scorer
2016 draft
Brown,,a bust, was never a scorer
Dahlen..a acorer, but a bust
2015
White..Not a scorer, and a bust
Gagne..a scorer, but was in jai;
Chlapik..a scorer, but a bust
7 draft years.. ONE GUY..... one goal scorer. And even he (Brady), turned into one and did not come into the league as one
FA/trades
Giroux.. WAS a scorer. Now Father time has slowed him down
Gaudette...WAS a scorer in College. Could not duplicate it in the pros
Amadio.. WAS a scorer in Junior. Could not duplicate it in the pros
Perron.. A point getter, not a scorer. And Father time is slowing him down
Cozens (D.) .. WAS a goal scorer in junior. Has not duplicated it in the pros
The team is, where it is! No scorer was ever drafted and worked out. No scorer was ever been traded for or FA signed and has worked out, or has not suffered the sting of Father time.
In fact in Ottawa's 32 year history. ONE GUY has fit that bill.. The "Heater".
Here is something to consider
2021 draft
Boucher..a bust, but was never a scorer
Osta, a semi bust, but was never a scorer
2020 draft
Timmie..point getter, not a scorer
Greig..a point getter, not a scorer
Jar... a bust
Sok..a bust
2019 draft
Pinto..a two way player, not a scorer
2018 draft
Brady T... a scorer. One guy and is injured
2017 draft
Bowers... abut, was not a scorer
Formento.. a scorer..may end up in jail
Batherson.. a point getter, not a scorer
2016 draft
Brown,,a bust, was never a scorer
Dahlen..a acorer, but a bust
2015
White..Not a scorer, and a bust
Gagne..a scorer, but was in jai;
Chlapik..a scorer, but a bust
7 draft years.. ONE GUY..... one goal scorer. And even he (Brady), turned into one and did not come into the league as one
FA/trades
Giroux.. WAS a scorer. Now Father time has slowed him down
Gaudette...WAS a scorer in College. Could not duplicate it in the pros
Amadio.. WAS a scorer in Junior. Could not duplicate it in the pros
Perron.. A point getter, not a scorer. And Father time is slowing him down
Cozens (D.) .. WAS a goal scorer in junior. Has not duplicated it in the pros
The team is, where it is! No scorer was ever drafted and worked out. No scorer was ever been traded for or FA signed and has worked out, or has not suffered the sting of Father time.
In fact in Ottawa's 32 year history. ONE GUY has fit that bill.. The "Heater".
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Mike Hoffman fits the bill and that's what you get when you swing hard for a scorer. I don't care that he was a late round pick, such a boom or bust proposition unless you're drafting very high. And once you get them be careful what you wish for because they come with warts.
Should we have taken Jack Quinn over Sanderson in 2020? Should we have taken Arthur Kalyev over Pinto? "Scorers" are the hardest things to pin down.
Last year after Yak there was Catton and then a drop to Parascak. 2 F scorers behind Yak in the next 10 picks, not an easy decision no matter how good Catton is/was. A great case study for this argument will be Anaheim going off the board and taking Sennecke.
Also, Zetterlund and Yak are goal scorers. So was Norris but we gave up due to injury issues and poor 5v5 numbers.
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Micklebot
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So, what's the threshold for a goal scorer?
Batherson has had multiple years pacing at ~30 goals, pacing around 24 this year.
Stu has hit 39, last year had the wrist injury, this year is pacing at 24
Pinto is pacing around 23 with limited PP time, and on the 3rd line.
Norris was definitely a goal scorer before he blew out his shoulder and we traded him, though we didn't draft him. traded for Cozens has been pacing around 30 as a sen, hit 30 with Buf before things went south for him.
Lets say we use Brady as the threshold for goal scorer in terms of Goals per game, since 2019-2020, he's at .38 a game, how many guys a draft hit that?
2015: 7 guys averaged .38/ game from the 19-20 to 23-25 seasons, a couple more close.
2016: 5 guys, 1 more close
2017: 3 guys (including Norris, Batherson is 7th in G/gp at .29)
2018: 1 guy (Tkachuk)
2019: 2 guys (Pinto is 7th in the draft class at .23, cozens is 9th)
2020: 0 guys (Stu is #1 at .31/g)
I won't go further than 2020 because it's too soon, though I doubt we add any.
So, 6 draft years, we drafted a top 10 goal scorer in 4 of them, traded for one as a prospect in another, then swapped that same guy for a different top 10 guy from another draft class.
Batherson has had multiple years pacing at ~30 goals, pacing around 24 this year.
Stu has hit 39, last year had the wrist injury, this year is pacing at 24
Pinto is pacing around 23 with limited PP time, and on the 3rd line.
Norris was definitely a goal scorer before he blew out his shoulder and we traded him, though we didn't draft him. traded for Cozens has been pacing around 30 as a sen, hit 30 with Buf before things went south for him.
Lets say we use Brady as the threshold for goal scorer in terms of Goals per game, since 2019-2020, he's at .38 a game, how many guys a draft hit that?
2015: 7 guys averaged .38/ game from the 19-20 to 23-25 seasons, a couple more close.
2016: 5 guys, 1 more close
2017: 3 guys (including Norris, Batherson is 7th in G/gp at .29)
2018: 1 guy (Tkachuk)
2019: 2 guys (Pinto is 7th in the draft class at .23, cozens is 9th)
2020: 0 guys (Stu is #1 at .31/g)
I won't go further than 2020 because it's too soon, though I doubt we add any.
So, 6 draft years, we drafted a top 10 goal scorer in 4 of them, traded for one as a prospect in another, then swapped that same guy for a different top 10 guy from another draft class.
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I think it is as simple as the coach (and TSN1200) says: we don't get to the front of the net enough.
We have decent enough scorers, we don't have a lot of bodies that cause chaos around the net.
We have decent enough scorers, we don't have a lot of bodies that cause chaos around the net.
Beech
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In an 82 game year!!!! 20 goals for your top 6 forwards???? Not Good
The Sens have 2 guys at 20. Barring a miraculous end of season, they will all top out at 25.
They have one guy nearing 30 (Brady T.). Since he is injured, he will most likely top out at 35.
Goal per game in the NHL as of now, for the 2025/2025 season; 3.00 .
This matches the 2005/06 season.
The 05/06 season had:
6 guys with 20 or more goals... A 7th, Spezza had 19, but only played 68 games.
2 guys had 40 or more (Heater and Alfie)
1 guy had 50 (Heater)
Alfie missed 5 games. he had 45 in sight
Eaves missed 24 games, he had 30 in sight
Fisher missed 14 games, he had 25 in sight
Redden missed 17 games, he had 15 in sight
Havlat missed 64 games, he was or could have been a 40 goal man. INJURIES.
One D-man, Chara had 16, even though he played only 71 games
NO D-man will hit double digit goals in 2024/2025, unless Sanderson lights it up in the last 12 games. He is at 7 now and needs 3 more just to get to 10.
Chara may have hit 20, if he played all 82.
The 2005/2006 Sens are a definition of goal scoring. The 2024/2025 team is NOT.
Micklebot
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You seem to be twisting the subject here. I never said we aren't having issues scoring goals this year, I challenged your implied reasoning as to why.
You put the blame at least partially on drafting, I simply compared our drafting to the rest of the league.
I won't compare this team to the 05/06 team that was the highest scoring in franchise history coming out of the lockout with literally double the PP opportunities resulting in scoring being concentrated among the guys getting PP mins , that would serve absolutely no purpose.
As it stands, we have
Brady who should finish around 35 goals
Stu who should finish around 25
Bath who should finish around 25
Pinto around 20
And Norris who was on pace for 30 but we traded for a guy that's been pacing at ~28 since joining the team.
The defending cup champs have:
Reinhart who will finish around 40
Bennett 27
M.Tkachuk at 27 (35 pace)
Barkov at 22
Verheaghe at 20.
Lundell around 18
I don't expect us to score like the cup champs, but we don't compare that poorly to them.
You know what might actually be the difference? Perron is pacing at 25g, in spite an incredibly cold start, due to missing time for family issues and a subsequent back issue. Instead of 20-25 goals from him (or more if he'd not had a cold start), we'll probably see 9 or 10. Instead of 3.08 Team goals a game, we're at 2.9. Instead of the 12 most goals we're 20th.
Tuna99
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Also wonder with the Sens leading the league in PP time with over 5 minutes a game if they just don’t have as much time to score 5 on 5 as other teams. Some tesms are getting a full 1:30 less PP time then Ottawa which over the course of a season is 2 full games and if you added 8 x 5 on 55 goals to Ottawa if they had less PP time they’d be around where Montreal is for 5 on 5 scoring
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Tuna99
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Just gunna say it - TSN1200 morning and TSN1200 pre game are still the 2 best Sens programs going. They are old and have commercials, but outside of Yorkie it’s the best full team analyst with experts going.
They ain’t podcasters, feels like i’m cheering for a horse and carriage in the time of the model T but they still got it
They ain’t podcasters, feels like i’m cheering for a horse and carriage in the time of the model T but they still got it
