They’ll both likely be playing RWI could see Zuccarello possibly making a good line combination with Kaprizov next year. He can definitely create opportunities for other players.
Which is only meaningful if the season ends after the bye week.It would be incredible to lose to Detroit because we’re gearing into a by-week meaning essentially 5 days of the rest of the NHL playing, moving up the standings
I don't see the veterans tanking. Do we purposely shut down Suter and Parise for the reason of the season after the All-Star Break? Do we remove Captaincy from Koivu as that'd be a great way to get tanking. And what about next season?
Give it a break please. Guerin will not approach these players, it has to do with respect. They have to come to him if they want to leave. And in Zuccarello's case he'll stay. He just bought a property here, so he's not going anywhere no matter what happens to the team.
In practice it's not really a management game either. When was the last time a GM actively hobbled his team in an effort to get a high pick? Tim Murray chasing McDavid? Even rebuilding teams don't really try to get worse beyond the natural consequences of trading players for futures.No players tank. Tanking is not a players game. It’s a management game.
In practice it's not really a management game either. When was the last time a GM actively hobbled his team in an effort to get a high pick? Tim Murray chasing McDavid? Even rebuilding teams don't really try to get worse beyond the natural consequences of trading players for futures.
The Rangers straight up wrote a letter to their fans announcing a rebuild and even they've done things like signing Panarin and trading for Trouba. Detroit's a mess largely due to fallout from trying to be competitive for years. Ottawa's the result of a pretty singular confluence of internal drama on top of a single bad trade.
Tanking is a forum game.
Everyone plays the same amount of games, so you’re right in the long run it doesn’t mean anything. But coming back and being 4 points behind the next team would be mentally deflating. Could also prompt Guerin to start aggressively sellingWhich is only meaningful if the season ends after the bye week.
Regardless of one's thoughts regarding tanking, the bottom of the standings this year are going to look a lot like last year: one outlier at the very bottom (Detroit) and then #30 and #20 being separated by 10-12 points. Where we sit in February isn't going to mean much, even without the lottery accounted for.
Everyone plays the same amount of games, so you’re right in the long run it doesn’t mean anything. But coming back and being 4 points behind the next team would be mentally deflating. Could also prompt Guerin to start aggressively selling
This sounds oddly familiarIn practice it's not really a management game either. When was the last time a GM actively hobbled his team in an effort to get a high pick? Tim Murray chasing McDavid? Even rebuilding teams don't really try to get worse beyond the natural consequences of trading players for futures.
The Rangers straight up wrote a letter to their fans announcing a rebuild and even they've done things like signing Panarin and trading for Trouba. Detroit's a mess largely due to fallout from trying to be competitive for years. Ottawa's the result of a pretty singular confluence of internal drama on top of a single bad trade.
Tanking is a forum game.
Guerin can and should approach Zuccarello about waiving. Doesn’t mean he will, but that’s absolutely within Guerin’s boundaries to do as a GM.
I haven't heard of many GM's doing that, and I'm not even sure if the league would accept it. Those clauses, when given by a team, are to be respected.
And btw...what makes you think Guerin wants to get rid of Zuccarello? The Wild are pleased with his efforts, and his teammates love him. He's certainly not the biggest problem around here.
His contract is an issue, and he’s certainly done nothing to be worth it.
I agree with the bolded, but I also don't think this is something that GMs actually do.Tanking doesn’t mean selling off every single asset you have and not signing or trading for anyone that can help your team.
If Guerin is selling off Brodin and Zucker for futures and in an attempt to increase our draft stock, we’re still tanking.
Tanking is the intention of making moves to try to get a better draft pick.
I haven't heard of many GM's doing that, and I'm not even sure if the league would accept it. Those clauses, when given by a team, are to be respected.
And btw...what makes you think Guerin wants to get rid of Zuccarello? The Wild are pleased with his efforts, and his teammates love him. He's certainly not the biggest problem around here.
Most of what GM’s do doesn’t get released to the public so that would make sense you haven’t heard of GM’s doing it before. And what in the CBA would stop a GM from approaching a player?I haven't heard of many GM's doing that, and I'm not even sure if the league would accept it. Those clauses, when given by a team, are to be respected.
And btw...what makes you think Guerin wants to get rid of Zuccarello? The Wild are pleased with his efforts, and his teammates love him. He's certainly not the biggest problem around here.
Good thing it's the team's opinion that counts, and not yours.
Any long term contract to an older player can become an issue, but that's a part of the game.
Teams need veteran experience and leadership.
Agreed but we already had veteran leadership for years to come because of Fletcher. Bringing in Zucc for “veteran leadership” was not the case and completely superfluousTeams need to not overpay 32 year old 45-50 point wingers and not give them NMC’s too.
You can get veteran experience and leadership without handing out a bad contract.
So we can put Spurgeon in the same categoryIf Zuccarello had been given 4 years at 5M per with no NMC it would be an okay contract.
As it stands, he’s on pace for 47 points, and this is supposed to be his best year. As he gets older, I doubt he’s going to find another gear. If it’s downhill from here? That contract is going to get ugly sooner rather than later.
He was a guy that was given a certain contract and role that he hasn’t been good enough in.
I think the players association would have more of an issue with this than the league.
I still don’t understand how Guerin approaching the players violates contracts.Will of course have something to say. But a player signs a contract with the NHL, not the club. The league will make sure that contracts are being followed.