The NHL has gotta stop the BS after clean hits

[PB37]

Bertuzzi should fight himself, since it was his pass was the most dangerous part of that play. Krebs was just doing what every NHL player should do in that instance.

 

[Sanderson]

This does not make sense. Players did not see replays in the past either. The sane reaction should always be that the check was clean and not assume otherwise.

It makes perfect sense. It's true, they didn't have replays in the past either, which is why you saw this exact same thing happen as well. Some people like to pretend that there was a mythical past where everyone adhered to an oh so great code, there wasn't.

Players jumping opponents after big hits has been around for ages. And yes, that includes both dirty and clean hits. In the case of clean hits, sometimes it may just looked have dirty to the player watching (hint: this is were not having any replay comes in), sometimes they just acted to protect their teammates and to show a reaction.

Arguing with "sane reactions" is completely illogical. For one, because - as already mentioned above - players can very much perceive something to be dirty from their point of view, even if it wasn't. And secondly, because jumping an opponent is a spur of the moment reaction, not the result of carefully weighting up the pros and cons of such a move. On top of that, you also get the concept of making a point. Even if a big hit was clean, some teams can still have come to the conclusion that showing a forceful reaction to such a hit is worthwhile in terms of deterrence or team cohesion.

 

[ClydeLee]

I kinda get the point, but not really, because jumping a player like this was nothing and isn't dangerous. It's not like they're hurting that guy in anyway, in fact less so than a regular fight probably

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

Just an example of what I’m talkin about- Kurashev gets caught clean, gets up, and gets 2 free rabbit punches on Krebs, who already got jumped by Bertuzzi. It’s hockey, stop being wusses, hit happens. I’d argue for a 1 game sussy for any sissy who jumps a guy while play is ongoing. You wanna fight, square up, but this stuff is just stupid.

Agreed. It should be an automatic 2, 5 and 10 for any player that jumps a guy after a hit. And make the faceoff in the penalized team's defensive zone no matter where the penalty occurred on the ice.

Hockey is a tough sport. Hitting is legal and gives an advantage by separating a player from the puck.

Fans complain about the NHL being a No Hit League but the players are just as bad.

It makes perfect sense. It's true, they didn't have replays in the past either, which is why you saw this exact same thing happen as well. Some people like to pretend that there was a mythical past where everyone adhered to an oh so great code, there wasn't.

Players jumping opponents after big hits has been around for ages. And yes, that includes both dirty and clean hits. In the case of clean hits, sometimes it may just looked have dirty to the player watching (hint: this is were not having any replay comes in), sometimes they just acted to protect their teammates and to show a reaction.

Arguing with "sane reactions" is completely illogical. For one, because - as already mentioned above - players can very much perceive something to be dirty from their point of view, even if it wasn't. And secondly, because jumping an opponent is a spur of the moment reaction, not the result of carefully weighting up the pros and cons of such a move. On top of that, you also get the concept of making a point. Even if a big hit was clean, some teams can still have come to the conclusion that showing a forceful reaction to such a hit is worthwhile in terms of deterrence or team cohesion.

this is often repeated but false, unless you mean ages = the last 10 to 15 years.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

Why? We don’t like fights suddenly? The league has always been like this. It’s not some new revelation. When your team mate takes a violent hit you defend him. Makes guys think twice about crushing your team mates. It used to only be Montreal Canadien fans that preach this. Now Americans are preaching it? Hockey teams used to employ fighters just so Americans would watch the sport.

No it hasn't. Guys used to take a number and get him back later because they understood hitting is part of the game and hockey is a tough sport. The only thing that would draw an immediate response is if a scrub took a dirty run at a team's star player.

 

[heyfolks]

Bertuzzi should fight himself, since it was his pass was the most dangerous part of that play. Krebs was just doing what every NHL player should do in that instance.

That's likely why he jumped in like he did.

100% agree with stopping this nonsense via penalties and suspensions.

 

[Grifter3511]

this is often repeated but false, unless you mean ages = the last 10 to 15 years.

This 100000%. Unless the player getting hit was a bonafide superstar, the play went on, the player got up, and possibly later in the game the aggressor was caught in the train tracks.

 

[who_me?]

Players can’t tell if it’s clean in real time. They may not even be looking. They may have a bad angle

Doesn't matter; if there is no penalty called, you just keep playing. If you want to retaliate for the hit, do it later in the game with a clean hit in kind. That's how it used to be before the snowflake generation.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

Doesn't matter; if there is no penalty called, you just keep playing. If you want to retaliate for the hit, do it later in the game with a clean hit in kind. That's how it used to be before the snowflake generation.

It could be easily said that people complaining or offended by fights after a big hit clean or not are snowflakes. It’s just a word to denote complaining of “the other side”. Some people will take exception if someone takes a big run at their teammate. Big hits are part of the game. So is fighting. Guys who go for big hits are aware that players on the other side will probably take offense to it. It is what it is. As long as players will attempt to crush a player the other team will defend him

 

[Pablo El Perro]

I don't have a problem so much with the response as the refs not calling the instigator. It's either an infraction or not. The sometimes we call it thing is a problem with most calls.

 

[Three On Zero]

Except the players dont get the benefit of a replay or seeing the hit from off the ice. NHL just needs to do a better job at protecting players from each other.

This.

All the players on the ice see is a teammate fall victim to a big hit, they don’t see if it was clean or dirty. Nothing wrong with teammates standing up for a player in my opinion

I don't have a problem so much with the response as the refs not calling the instigator. It's either an infraction or not. The sometimes we call it thing is a problem with most calls.

Instigator penalty is the one penalty the NHL fails at using properly. It’s a black and white rule that’s used with too much discretion.

 

[Pablo El Perro]

This.

All the players on the ice see is a teammate fall victim to a big hit, they don’t see if it was clean or dirty. Nothing wrong with teammates standing up for a player in my opinion


Instigator penalty is the one penalty the NHL fails at using properly. It’s a black and white rule that’s used with too much discretion.

It's about as black and white as any penalty, in practice. The proof is in the gello

 

[Three On Zero]

It's about as black and white as any penalty, in practice. The proof is in the gello

Did you eat all the pudding?

 

[Pablo El Perro]

Did you eat all the pudding?

I don't eat pudding after that one night, everyone remembers. It wasn't pretty, but we're still here.

 

[Three On Zero]

I don't eat pudding after that one night, everyone remembers. It wasn't pretty, but we're still here.

You’re not supposed to bring that night up.

 

[Pablo El Perro]

You’re not supposed to bring that night up.

I know, I know, I left out all the incriminating stuff. And, again, my apologies to El Jefe.

 

[Fixed to Ruin]

They should quit handing out penalties to the guy that is just defending himself for being jumped. Just a penalty to the jerk that starts the whole thing. That would eliminate the offsetting of penalties and actually penalize the offending team.

Of course if the refs would enforce the instigator rule this wouldn't be necessary.

This is the way

 

[HaNotsri]

Good job by Dahlin preparing Krebs for getting jumped.

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

Some thoughts:

1. The NHL doesn't, and seemingly won't, allow supplementary discipline to keep dirty hits out of the game
2. As a result of 1, players 'police' the game with this 'new code' policy of jumping people after hits
3. Notice how Krebs delivered a very stiff shoulder to shoulder check without flying into the air afterwards? That's because he didn't jump into it. Two bodies colliding don't suddenly cause one to pop into the air.

 

[Jeune Poulet]

Why? We don’t like fights suddenly? The league has always been like this.

No, it hasn't always been like this.

 

[johan f]

No. Only time players "jumped" on someone was when a star player got rocked.

It makes perfect sense. It's true, they didn't have replays in the past either, which is why you saw this exact same thing happen as well. Some people like to pretend that there was a mythical past where everyone adhered to an oh so great code, there wasn't.

Players jumping opponents after big hits has been around for ages. And yes, that includes both dirty and clean hits. In the case of clean hits, sometimes it may just looked have dirty to the player watching (hint: this is were not having any replay comes in), sometimes they just acted to protect their teammates and to show a reaction.

Arguing with "sane reactions" is completely illogical. For one, because - as already mentioned above - players can very much perceive something to be dirty from their point of view, even if it wasn't. And secondly, because jumping an opponent is a spur of the moment reaction, not the result of carefully

weighting up the pros and cons of such a move. On top of that, you also get the concept of making a point. Even if a big hit was clean, some teams can still have come to the conclusion that showing a forceful reaction to such a hit is worthwhile in terms of deterrence or team cohesion.

 

[luiginb]

Doesn't matter; if there is no penalty called, you just keep playing. If you want to retaliate for the hit, do it later in the game with a clean hit in kind. That's how it used to be before the snowflake generation.

Boomers?