I don't disagree in that sense. I guess I was confused because it sounded like you said that Orr, and possibly Park, were the only two dmen in the history of the NHL to be "generational". Lidstrom may not have been a highly-touted prospect but he dominated his generation like no other dman in the history of the NHL besides Orr.
The Next Ones (after Bedard)
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Potvin, not Park. And since we are discussing prospects yeah I'm pretty comfortable with that designation. Orr is the best defensive prospect ever, and I'd say that Potvin is very likely the second best defensive prospect ever. Doesn't mean that Potvin was the second best defenceman ever.
It's hard to say but the next one needs everything to be that guy.
Like if Bedard was in the upper 80% of NHL skaters or had just a little more speed and quickness and strength he could very well be showing more like a 100 points season this year but he doesn't have that and extremely few players do.
alko
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15 years old defenseman in the WHL with better production than most 18-20 years old forwards.
Pavel Buchnevich
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How relentless his attacking style is for a defenseman. Constantly puts you under pressure. Very crisp and dynamic with his decision making for such a young player, and has elite level skill and skating.
He’s basically current Makar as the youngest player at his level, and quite obviously will get better comparatively, so imagine Makar on steroids.
I had a post earlier in this thread where I stated that this is kind of like what Bobby Orr did in the OHA in the early 60s but we need to temper that with the reality that the NHL has changed so dramatically that even a guy like Orr in the late 2020s wouldn't look like Orr in the late 60s early 70s.
But as a prospect he really looks that good at 15.
Dupont had another goal last night 7 SOG and was a +3 and he is still only 15.
McKenna > Bedard, and it’s not close for me, McKenna is one of the top 2 prospects I’ve ever seen. Guaranteed 1st overall in next years super draft.
Pretty easy to say in hindsight. Bedard was a ridiculous prospect and put up better numbers than McKenna. And produced at the WJCs
Not in this context I guess, we are talking about a kid not drafted, and a 20 year old with an extremely bright future. Not an easy claim at all to say the 17 year old is better, but that’s my belief. Bedard is still likely going to be the 2nd best prospect in the last 10 years.
It is a pretty easy claim that considering Bedard has been fairly underwhelming as a pro compared to what was expected of him. McKenna isn’t a better prospect than Bedard. Bedard has outperformed him at every level.
I disagree that Bedard has been underwhelming, he’s performed as I would expect a future superstar to given the circumstances. And I believe McKenna absolutely is the better prospect, won’t be too long before you agree.
Bedard has undoubtedly been underwhelming given that he was supposed to step in and be a superstar. There are zero metrics that point to McKenna being a better prospect than Bedard. McKenna is closer to Lafreniere as a prospect than he is to Bedard as a prospect.
Sounds like you just expected too much from a kid.
Aside from McKenna, Bedard is still the next best prospect from the last 10 drafts or so, nothing wrong with that at all. Keep stat watching, I’ve been doing this a long time, and watched these two play in the same leagues, McKenna is better, scouts are already on that train, the public will be soon enough.
Jumptheshark
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Celebrini?Sounds like you just expected too much from a kid.
Keep stat watching, I’ve been doing this a long time, and watched these two play in the same leagues, McKenna is better, scouts are already on that train, the public will be soon enough.
Of the last 10 drafts or so, I’d place Celebrini 3-4 probably, hard time putting him higher, and I like him a lot.
Should note, that would be a forwards list too, I view Defenceman totally separately
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Hindsight comes more into play if we are talking a 10 year runway.
Anyone thinking Bedard is underwhelming, thought too much of him in the first place, kid is on track to be a superstar. But he’s not better than McKenna.
We can see that you edited your post. Its ok to stop while you’re behind
I edited to clarify that D were separate, so he’s 3-4
I said I’d put my money where my mouth is…I’m hearing opinions but no takers?
