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I wasn't following hockey yet in 91. Why the team was so bad during the regular season. Anyone here recall that season well?
I understand the Whalers are gone because Hartford doesn't have a team anymore.Here is the thing.
Wild is a good name for a hockey team.
But it's an injustice that this name doesn't exist anymore.
Almost as bad as the fact that Whalers (and their symbol) doesn't exist.
I understand the Whalers are gone because Hartford doesn't have a team anymore.
However, I wish somehow the Wild could change their logo and name to the North Stars. I doubt the fans in Minnesota would be upset. Would anyone involved with the Dallas Stars care? Would their fanbase care?
I understand the Whalers are gone because Hartford doesn't have a team anymore.
However, I wish somehow the Wild could change their logo and name to the North Stars. I doubt the fans in Minnesota would be upset. Would anyone involved with the Dallas Stars care? Would their fanbase care?
I can see that.tbh, i think the stars organization would care. just being that north stars would inevitably be shorthanded to stars by fans, commentators, announcers, and so on, i feel like the dallas org would see that as stepping on their trademark.
which is too bad because i love a good roughriders vs rough riders dynamic.
I can see that.
Although, Dallas has butchered their jerseys and logo so much over the years, that it's hard to believe they give two craps about their fans or trademark. I mean the mooterus was better than some of their modern designs.
Just watching these highlights from game one:
The play-by-play guy says (I think, after the 2nd) that the Stars weren't able to take advantage of all the power-plays Chicago was giving them. The North Stars actually scored two PP goals early in the 1st, but in the 2nd period they had 8 full minutes on the PP and couldn't score. So, I dunno, but maybe Chicago started to feel like they could afford to get away with taking penalties.
In overtime, Keith Brown took a double-minor high-sticking penalty, and Brian Propp scored for Minnesota 34 seconds into the PP -- Minny's 3rd PP goal of the game.
The North Stars would eventually score 11 PP goals in the four games they won.
Good point. Even though the Blackhawks were shorthanded more often than anyone else in the regular season, they had the second-best PK and were by far the best defensive team in the league that year, so it wouldn't be shocking if they just assumed that taking a bunch of penalties wouldn't hurt them too much. But man, giving up 54 power plays in 6 games... that's going to catch up with you.
(That said, worth giving credit to Minnesota here — they converted on 27% of their PP chances, which was just exceptional. Everything was clearly clicking for them.)
But I don't think Chris Chelios got a ton of blame for that series, even though there he is, sitting in the penalty box when Minnesota scores the game-winning PP goal in Game 4, or taking a dumb slashing penalty in Game 5 to put Minnesota on a 5-on-3 (the Stars scored to put the game out of reach), etc. Different era, I guess.
I wasn't following hockey yet in 91. Why the team was so bad during the regular season. Anyone here recall that season well?
Great write-up! (I wish more people made posts like this...) Couple points:The team had a new owner (Norm Green), a new general manager (Bob Clarke), and a new coach (Bob Gainey), so much of the 1990-91 season was spent adjusting to all of the changes after two years of relative stability and on-ice improvement under GM Jack Ferreira and coach Pierre Page in 1988-89 and 1989-90. It didn't help that the North Stars started their season having to play exhibition games in the Soviet Union. Nor did it help that the Norris Division was vastly improved after being a joke for so long during the 1980s. Chicago and St. Louis had emerged as contenders while Detroit was slowly beginning to put together the powerhouse club that would dominate the mid-to-late 90s. The Ballard era was over in Toronto but on-ice improvement for the Leafs was still a couple years away.
A lot of NHL season previews for 1990-91 had the North Stars pegged to compete with the Quebec Nordiques in the Eric Lindros sweepstakes. I think most pundits figured that all of the off-ice turmoil over possibly leaving Minnesota during the latter half of the 1989-90 season and all of the front office changes in the offseason would manifest itself in a slow start from which the Stars would never recover. To some degree these predictions were well-founded as Minnesota got off to a rough start, going 4-12-4 in the first quarter of the season. Despite the dismal start, the team was actually firmly in fourth place (and playoff contention) in the Norris Division throughout the season simply because Toronto was so much worse than they were. 1989-90 had been an entertaining season for the Leafs in that they led the NHL in goals for (337) and were able to finish third in the Norris, making the playoffs with an exact .500 record (38-38-4). Of course, the kind of hockey they played (358 goals against) wasn't conducive to winning in the playoffs, so it wasn't surprising when they were eliminated by the St. Louis Blues in five games. In 1990-91, however, the goals for dried up (241) while the goals against remained (318), so what you had was a division cellar dweller that would pretty much ensure that there would be playoff hockey in Minnesota.
While many experts were down on the North Stars, in truth the team was a lot better than their record indicated. Mike Modano was only in his second season and he was already showing glimpses of what would later become. Brian Bellows and Dave Gagner were both in their primes and led the Stars' offense. Minnesota also had a nice mix of veteran leadership in Neal Broten, Brian Propp, and Bobby Smith (the latter two being signed and traded for respectively in the offseason). Their weakest area may have been on defense. Not because it was bad per se, but simply because it was inexperienced. Outside of Larry Murphy and Curt Giles, the North Stars' blue line was relatively green with the likes of Shawn Chambers, Neil Wilkinson, Brian Glynn, and Rob Zettler getting a fair bit of ice time. That said, Mark Tinordi was also in that mix and he was becoming a force to be reckoned with (Seriously, for a couple years there he was looking like Scott Stevens 2.0 until injuries slowed him down). Furthermore, Jon Casey was considered one of the NHL's better goaltenders at the time because he was a workhorse, playing 55-60 games while having respectable numbers and a winning record.
As the season wore on, Minnesota slowly got better. A December trade that sent Larry Murphy and Peter Taglianetti to Pittsburgh for Jim Johnson and Chris Dahlquist brought more experience to the blue line. While Johnson and Dahlquist seemed to help stabilize the defense, it came at the expense of future HHOF Larry Murphy (something the Stars may have later regretted when the Cup Finals rolled around). In the absence of Murphy, Tinordi stepped up as the team's offensive defenseman and did well, so the loss wasn't felt immediately at first. After the All Star Break, the Stars quietly became one of the hottest teams in the league going 14-6-6. Going into the playoffs, though, they had only won one of the last six games, so no one was expecting them to put up much of a fight against the best team during the regular season the Chicago Blackhawks.
Others have explained their playoff run, so I won't elaborate on it much other than to say that pretty much every team that faced Minnesota didn't take them seriously.
Chicago played stupid, undisciplined Mike Keenan-esque hockey trying to intimidate the North Stars. It backfired completely as tough guys like Basil McRae, Shane Churla, and Mark Tinordi turned the other cheek and allowed the Stars' red hot power play do the fighting for them. Neal Broten had a hell of a series and Jon Casey played far better than the Calder/Vezina winning Ed Belfour and the then realtively unknown Dominik Hasek.
The St. Louis Blues also took Minnesota lightly. In fact, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch brazenly declared that the Blues had a clear shot at the Cup thanks to the North Stars doing them a favour and ousting the Blackhawks. Be careful what you wish for. Brett Hull's goal scoring was nowhere near as potent when Gainey had Stewart Gavin and Gaetan Duchesne effectively shadow him. Casey also outclassed Vincent Riendeau and Pat Jablonski between the pipes.
Even the defending Stanley Cup Champion Edmonton Oilers didn't take the North Stars seriously and that series ended very quickly. The Oilers were left to ponder their future and wonder why they didn't play like the North Stars any more.
It can even be argued that the Pittsburgh Penguins (who had never won anything before and had actually missed the playoffs the year prior), took Minnesota lightly. It wasn't until they were down 2-1 in the series and Mario Lemieux's presence in the series came into question that the Penguins started to wake up. With a driven Lemieux leading the way, the Pens won the next three games and the Cup. Outside of an 8-0 blowout in the clinching Game 6, though, it was by no means easy for them. The North Stars put up valiant efforts to come back in Games 4 and 5 after falling behind early. By this time, however, their once hot power play had gone cold and their frustrations manifested itself in taking too many penalties just as the Hawks, Blues, and Oilers had against them.
Overall, it was one entertaining run to the Cup and really the last great moment for the Minnesota North Stars.
Good read. The Murphy trade was stupid. He may have been underperforming, but they gave up too soon. He had his best playoff that spring. What was so special about Dahlquist and Johnson?The team had a new owner (Norm Green), a new general manager (Bob Clarke), and a new coach (Bob Gainey), so much of the 1990-91 season was spent adjusting to all of the changes after two years of relative stability and on-ice improvement under GM Jack Ferreira and coach Pierre Page in 1988-89 and 1989-90. It didn't help that the North Stars started their season having to play exhibition games in the Soviet Union. Nor did it help that the Norris Division was vastly improved after being a joke for so long during the 1980s. Chicago and St. Louis had emerged as contenders while Detroit was slowly beginning to put together the powerhouse club that would dominate the mid-to-late 90s. The Ballard era was over in Toronto but on-ice improvement for the Leafs was still a couple years away.
A lot of NHL season previews for 1990-91 had the North Stars pegged to compete with the Quebec Nordiques in the Eric Lindros sweepstakes. I think most pundits figured that all of the off-ice turmoil over possibly leaving Minnesota during the latter half of the 1989-90 season and all of the front office changes in the offseason would manifest itself in a slow start from which the Stars would never recover. To some degree these predictions were well-founded as Minnesota got off to a rough start, going 4-12-4 in the first quarter of the season. Despite the dismal start, the team was actually firmly in fourth place (and playoff contention) in the Norris Division throughout the season simply because Toronto was so much worse than they were. 1989-90 had been an entertaining season for the Leafs in that they led the NHL in goals for (337) and were able to finish third in the Norris, making the playoffs with an exact .500 record (38-38-4). Of course, the kind of hockey they played (358 goals against) wasn't conducive to winning in the playoffs, so it wasn't surprising when they were eliminated by the St. Louis Blues in five games. In 1990-91, however, the goals for dried up (241) while the goals against remained (318), so what you had was a division cellar dweller that would pretty much ensure that there would be playoff hockey in Minnesota.
While many experts were down on the North Stars, in truth the team was a lot better than their record indicated. Mike Modano was only in his second season and he was already showing glimpses of what would later become. Brian Bellows and Dave Gagner were both in their primes and led the Stars' offense. Minnesota also had a nice mix of veteran leadership in Neal Broten, Brian Propp, and Bobby Smith (the latter two being signed and traded for respectively in the offseason). Their weakest area may have been on defense. Not because it was bad per se, but simply because it was inexperienced. Outside of Larry Murphy and Curt Giles, the North Stars' blue line was relatively green with the likes of Shawn Chambers, Neil Wilkinson, Brian Glynn, and Rob Zettler getting a fair bit of ice time. That said, Mark Tinordi was also in that mix and he was becoming a force to be reckoned with (Seriously, for a couple years there he was looking like Scott Stevens 2.0 until injuries slowed him down). Furthermore, Jon Casey was considered one of the NHL's better goaltenders at the time because he was a workhorse, playing 55-60 games while having respectable numbers and a winning record.
As the season wore on, Minnesota slowly got better. A December trade that sent Larry Murphy and Peter Taglianetti to Pittsburgh for Jim Johnson and Chris Dahlquist brought more experience to the blue line. While Johnson and Dahlquist seemed to help stabilize the defense, it came at the expense of future HHOF Larry Murphy (something the Stars may have later regretted when the Cup Finals rolled around). In the absence of Murphy, Tinordi stepped up as the team's offensive defenseman and did well, so the loss wasn't felt immediately at first. After the All Star Break, the Stars quietly became one of the hottest teams in the league going 14-6-6. Going into the playoffs, though, they had only won one of the last six games, so no one was expecting them to put up much of a fight against the best team during the regular season the Chicago Blackhawks.
Others have explained their playoff run, so I won't elaborate on it much other than to say that pretty much every team that faced Minnesota didn't take them seriously.
Chicago played stupid, undisciplined Mike Keenan-esque hockey trying to intimidate the North Stars. It backfired completely as tough guys like Basil McRae, Shane Churla, and Mark Tinordi turned the other cheek and allowed the Stars' red hot power play do the fighting for them. Neal Broten had a hell of a series and Jon Casey played far better than the Calder/Vezina winning Ed Belfour and the then realtively unknown Dominik Hasek.
The St. Louis Blues also took Minnesota lightly. In fact, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch brazenly declared that the Blues had a clear shot at the Cup thanks to the North Stars doing them a favour and ousting the Blackhawks. Be careful what you wish for. Brett Hull's goal scoring was nowhere near as potent when Gainey had Stewart Gavin and Gaetan Duchesne effectively shadow him. Casey also outclassed Vincent Riendeau and Pat Jablonski between the pipes.
Even the defending Stanley Cup Champion Edmonton Oilers didn't take the North Stars seriously and that series ended very quickly. The Oilers were left to ponder their future and wonder why they didn't play like the North Stars any more.
It can even be argued that the Pittsburgh Penguins (who had never won anything before and had actually missed the playoffs the year prior), took Minnesota lightly. It wasn't until they were down 2-1 in the series and Mario Lemieux's presence in the series came into question that the Penguins started to wake up. With a driven Lemieux leading the way, the Pens won the next three games and the Cup. Outside of an 8-0 blowout in the clinching Game 6, though, it was by no means easy for them. The North Stars put up valiant efforts to come back in Games 4 and 5 after falling behind early. By this time, however, their once hot power play had gone cold and their frustrations manifested itself in taking too many penalties just as the Hawks, Blues, and Oilers had against them.
Overall, it was one entertaining run to the Cup and really the last great moment for the Minnesota North Stars.
The team had a new owner (Norm Green), a new general manager (Bob Clarke), and a new coach (Bob Gainey), so much of the 1990-91 season was spent adjusting to all of the changes after two years of relative stability and on-ice improvement under GM Jack Ferreira and coach Pierre Page in 1988-89 and 1989-90. It didn't help that the North Stars started their season having to play exhibition games in the Soviet Union. Nor did it help that the Norris Division was vastly improved after being a joke for so long during the 1980s. Chicago and St. Louis had emerged as contenders while Detroit was slowly beginning to put together the powerhouse club that would dominate the mid-to-late 90s. The Ballard era was over in Toronto but on-ice improvement for the Leafs was still a couple years away.
A lot of NHL season previews for 1990-91 had the North Stars pegged to compete with the Quebec Nordiques in the Eric Lindros sweepstakes. I think most pundits figured that all of the off-ice turmoil over possibly leaving Minnesota during the latter half of the 1989-90 season and all of the front office changes in the offseason would manifest itself in a slow start from which the Stars would never recover. To some degree these predictions were well-founded as Minnesota got off to a rough start, going 4-12-4 in the first quarter of the season. Despite the dismal start, the team was actually firmly in fourth place (and playoff contention) in the Norris Division throughout the season simply because Toronto was so much worse than they were. 1989-90 had been an entertaining season for the Leafs in that they led the NHL in goals for (337) and were able to finish third in the Norris, making the playoffs with an exact .500 record (38-38-4). Of course, the kind of hockey they played (358 goals against) wasn't conducive to winning in the playoffs, so it wasn't surprising when they were eliminated by the St. Louis Blues in five games. In 1990-91, however, the goals for dried up (241) while the goals against remained (318), so what you had was a division cellar dweller that would pretty much ensure that there would be playoff hockey in Minnesota.
While many experts were down on the North Stars, in truth the team was a lot better than their record indicated. Mike Modano was only in his second season and he was already showing glimpses of what would later become. Brian Bellows and Dave Gagner were both in their primes and led the Stars' offense. Minnesota also had a nice mix of veteran leadership in Neal Broten, Brian Propp, and Bobby Smith (the latter two being signed and traded for respectively in the offseason). Their weakest area may have been on defense. Not because it was bad per se, but simply because it was inexperienced. Outside of Larry Murphy and Curt Giles, the North Stars' blue line was relatively green with the likes of Shawn Chambers, Neil Wilkinson, Brian Glynn, and Rob Zettler getting a fair bit of ice time. That said, Mark Tinordi was also in that mix and he was becoming a force to be reckoned with (Seriously, for a couple years there he was looking like Scott Stevens 2.0 until injuries slowed him down). Furthermore, Jon Casey was considered one of the NHL's better goaltenders at the time because he was a workhorse, playing 55-60 games while having respectable numbers and a winning record.
As the season wore on, Minnesota slowly got better. A December trade that sent Larry Murphy and Peter Taglianetti to Pittsburgh for Jim Johnson and Chris Dahlquist brought more experience to the blue line. While Johnson and Dahlquist seemed to help stabilize the defense, it came at the expense of future HHOF Larry Murphy (something the Stars may have later regretted when the Cup Finals rolled around). In the absence of Murphy, Tinordi stepped up as the team's offensive defenseman and did well, so the loss wasn't felt immediately at first. After the All Star Break, the Stars quietly became one of the hottest teams in the league going 14-6-6. Going into the playoffs, though, they had only won one of the last six games, so no one was expecting them to put up much of a fight against the best team during the regular season the Chicago Blackhawks.
Others have explained their playoff run, so I won't elaborate on it much other than to say that pretty much every team that faced Minnesota didn't take them seriously.
Chicago played stupid, undisciplined Mike Keenan-esque hockey trying to intimidate the North Stars. It backfired completely as tough guys like Basil McRae, Shane Churla, and Mark Tinordi turned the other cheek and allowed the Stars' red hot power play do the fighting for them. Neal Broten had a hell of a series and Jon Casey played far better than the Calder/Vezina winning Ed Belfour and the then realtively unknown Dominik Hasek.
The St. Louis Blues also took Minnesota lightly. In fact, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch brazenly declared that the Blues had a clear shot at the Cup thanks to the North Stars doing them a favour and ousting the Blackhawks. Be careful what you wish for. Brett Hull's goal scoring was nowhere near as potent when Gainey had Stewart Gavin and Gaetan Duchesne effectively shadow him. Casey also outclassed Vincent Riendeau and Pat Jablonski between the pipes.
Even the defending Stanley Cup Champion Edmonton Oilers didn't take the North Stars seriously and that series ended very quickly. The Oilers were left to ponder their future and wonder why they didn't play like the North Stars any more.
It can even be argued that the Pittsburgh Penguins (who had never won anything before and had actually missed the playoffs the year prior), took Minnesota lightly. It wasn't until they were down 2-1 in the series and Mario Lemieux's presence in the series came into question that the Penguins started to wake up. With a driven Lemieux leading the way, the Pens won the next three games and the Cup. Outside of an 8-0 blowout in the clinching Game 6, though, it was by no means easy for them. The North Stars put up valiant efforts to come back in Games 4 and 5 after falling behind early. By this time, however, their once hot power play had gone cold and their frustrations manifested itself in taking too many penalties just as the Hawks, Blues, and Oilers had against them.
Overall, it was one entertaining run to the Cup and really the last great moment for the Minnesota North Stars.
This is what I remember about the team. Gainey and the way Gainey did things. They played a simple d-first style. Tried to win a lot of games 1-0. It was really strange to watch at the time. Little did I know...North Stars hit rock bottom in 1987-88 (last overall), drafted Modano, then cleaned house to get Gainey in to run things. With Gainey in charge, defense rules.
In a way, the 1990-91 club was sort of a harbinger of the coming NHL: make defense a priority, and hope the PP wins you your share of games.
Probably for most of the regular season, they were struggling to find that right balance and team identity, and then it all clicked in the playoffs. Their power play was, like, historically great in that playoff run, for reasons I still can't explain.
No, as I said back then and as I say now, this not at all an apt comparison. Ward & Casey, or the defenses, maybe. But for almost every position among forwards, the Canes' player is much better than the North Stars' counterpart (save Modano vs. Williams and Bellows vs. Cole. Maybe old Propp can be considered equal to Stillman if we stretch it a bit), in most cases absurdly so (Staal vs. Broten, Brind'Amour vs. Gagner, Recchi vs. Dahlen (let alone worst NHL player ever Craig), all bottom 6 wingers).