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I reallllly don't want to rain on your parade or dissuade you from going, but I'm a pretty experienced traveler and spent 3 weeks with my girlfriend in Morocco in August and September 2021. It was the worst place I've ever been to and I can't say a redeeming thing about the country. The food was generally terrible and the food that tasted the best made us sick. I was super excited about the trip and the experience, but I won't ever go back; there's too many other countries to see, not to mention the ones I've already visited and want to see more of. We went to Tangiers, Casablanca, Chefchaouen, Fes, Marrakech, Rabat, and Essaouira. Don't trust anybody and guard where you're staying and when you're going anywhere. We had a taxi drop us off at a hotel in Chefchaouen and his taxi driver friend was knocking on our door in the morning (he was demanding to drive us to another city, WTF?), as the hotel staff had so graciously given him our room number. Had plenty of others try to discern where we were staying at other points in the trip.

Everywhere I go I meet local people and end up eating and bonding with them, but Morocco quickly jaded me. EVERYONE there is trying to rip you off. Even random elders who one would think would generally be trusted in pretty much every other place in the world are scheming to rip you off in Morocco. If anyone ever tells you to follow them or tries to start a conversation with you offhand, just sternly tell them "shukran," thanks in Arabic, and keep on walking. Also, don't even think about letting a western girl go anywhere without you. My girlfriend dresses super conservatively no matter where she goes and she had guys scowling at her across the entire country. Not staring, as many people do to foreigners out of curiosity, like straight up in a hateful trance that could barely be broken by me waving at them trying to gain their attention from my girlfriend and letting the cavemen know I'll smash their faces in if they get too close. She's a mix of ethnicities and many people thought she's Moroccan, which is maybe why they had such hate for her being with a foreigner, but I've also heard similar stories from many other female acquaintances who have traveled to Morocco.

I've always wanted to visit Morocco and this region in general, but the only decent thing about the whole country is Moroccan mint tea. One of three countries to have shores on the Mediterranean and Atlantic, but all they can do is grow olives, oregano, and argan oil (which is fake almost everywhere in Morocco; go to the French supermarket Carrefour if you want guaranteed real.) A real tragedy of a country.

If you're an expert driver, I'd recommend renting cars wherever you go. Buses are not safe. Drivers pass trucks on curves with zero visibility and swerve out of oncoming traffic. Volubulis (thanks Rome!) was one of our favorite sites of the whole trip. Obviously the King Hassan II mosque is also a must see. Rabat was mostly fine as it's the financial capital, but the best food we ate there was at a Palestinian restaurant and it hardly made up for the rest of the trip. Outside of the train from Casablanca to Tangiers, a short taxi ride from Tangiers to Chefchaouen, and a bus from Chefchaouen to Fes, I drove everywhere the rest of the trip.

I really thought it would be a unique blend of Northern Africa with European influence, but instead a lot of places looked more like Iraq. But yeah, inshallah you'll have fun! Seriously, I hope you do.

Thanks for the info!

But not too worried tbh.

Girlfriend has spent probably 2 years of her life there cumulatively, went basically every summer for 20 years before the pandemic, and understands probably 60% of everything said in Darija and can speak it to a basic level too. And will be there with girlfriends Mum and Uncle... who are both native Moroccans.

And tbh my girlfriend has never had a problem there so far. She wears short skirts etc and even though looks Arab is very "Western" in general. She said if anyone is too weird she just loudly tells them to go and f*** themselves in Darija basically. Aha. And then they will just be embarrassed and everyone in street will be looking at them and watching out for her. And that if it is daytime there will never be a problem pretty much whatever. But also has told me that just expect to be stared at, as just not so "rude" in North African culture to look at people in general, let alone people who are "different". And that is general the undercurrent of it is different than the same action would be in Europe.

Travel wise will be a mix of me, her Step-dad and her Uncle driving I guess, and taxis.

Plan wise I guess will mainly be in and around Fes, including ofc the Atlas Mountains, Volubilis, Meknes etc! As can use a family house there for free basically. Though also planning to go to Errachidia, and see the ruins of Sijilmasa and go to the Erg Chebbi.

Might go to Essaouira and the coast to surf too... but maybe wont even go to Casablanca and Marrakesh. Girlfriend hates Casablanca and says it is a dump aha. And that Marrakesh is okay but a smaller, dirtier, more touristy Fes with less chill people basically aha.
 

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It's happening.

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Thanks for the info!

But not too worried tbh.

Girlfriend has spent probably 2 years of her life there cumulatively, went basically every summer for 20 years before the pandemic, and understands probably 60% of everything said in Darija and can speak it to a basic level too. And will be there with girlfriends Mum and Uncle... who are both native Moroccans.

And tbh my girlfriend has never had a problem there so far. She wears short skirts etc and even though looks Arab is very "Western" in general. She said if anyone is too weird she just loudly tells them to go and f*** themselves in Darija basically. Aha. And then they will just be embarrassed and everyone in street will be looking at them and watching out for her. And that if it is daytime there will never be a problem pretty much whatever. But also has told me that just expect to be stared at, as just not so "rude" in North African culture to look at people in general, let alone people who are "different". And that is general the undercurrent of it is different than the same action would be in Europe.

Travel wise will be a mix of me, her Step-dad and her Uncle driving I guess, and taxis.

Plan wise I guess will mainly be in and around Fes, including ofc the Atlas Mountains, Volubilis, Meknes etc! As can use a family house there for free basically. Though also planning to go to Errachidia, and see the ruins of Sijilmasa and go to the Erg Chebbi.

Might go to Essaouira and the coast to surf too... but maybe wont even go to Casablanca and Marrakesh. Girlfriend hates Casablanca and says it is a dump aha. And that Marrakesh is okay but a smaller, dirtier, more touristy Fes with less chill people basically aha.

Good luck :laugh:
 
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Aha. Me and her Step-dad get on really well. Never met her uncle but he seems cool. Professor of some type of engineering who spent most of his life working in the Netherlands but now back in Morocco.

Yeah, but has he heard what NHL star Nate Thompson thinks?
 
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Thanks for the info!

But not too worried tbh.

Girlfriend has spent probably 2 years of her life there cumulatively, went basically every summer for 20 years before the pandemic, and understands probably 60% of everything said in Darija and can speak it to a basic level too. And will be there with girlfriends Mum and Uncle... who are both native Moroccans.

And tbh my girlfriend has never had a problem there so far. She wears short skirts etc and even though looks Arab is very "Western" in general. She said if anyone is too weird she just loudly tells them to go and f*** themselves in Darija basically. Aha. And then they will just be embarrassed and everyone in street will be looking at them and watching out for her. And that if it is daytime there will never be a problem pretty much whatever. But also has told me that just expect to be stared at, as just not so "rude" in North African culture to look at people in general, let alone people who are "different". And that is general the undercurrent of it is different than the same action would be in Europe.

Travel wise will be a mix of me, her Step-dad and her Uncle driving I guess, and taxis.

Plan wise I guess will mainly be in and around Fes, including ofc the Atlas Mountains, Volubilis, Meknes etc! As can use a family house there for free basically. Though also planning to go to Errachidia, and see the ruins of Sijilmasa and go to the Erg Chebbi.

Might go to Essaouira and the coast to surf too... but maybe wont even go to Casablanca and Marrakesh. Girlfriend hates Casablanca and says it is a dump aha. And that Marrakesh is okay but a smaller, dirtier, more touristy Fes with less chill people basically aha.

I've always admired how casual it is for Europeans to travel abroad, meanwhile for us (seemingly, anyway. Maybe it's just me?) It's like a once in a lifetime thing. I mean, I know it's a little easier to travel when you're a lot closer to the places, but almost every European I've ever talked to travels frequently to foreign lands, while most Americans go on vacation to Florida or Mexico and that's it.
 
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I've always admired how casual it is for Europeans to travel abroad, meanwhile for us (seemingly, anyway. Maybe it's just me?) It's like a once in a lifetime thing. I mean, I know it's a little easier to travel when you're a lot closer to the places, but almost every European I've ever talked to travels frequently to foreign lands, while most Americans go on vacation to Florida or Mexico and that's it.
That’s because their countries are so small it’s like going from Philly to wildwood or Manhattan. It’s all relative.
 

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That’s because their countries are so small it’s like going from Philly to wildwood or Manhattan. It’s all relative.

I met a German fellow in the Bahamas, and after speaking with him something still stands out.

He mentioned that while travelling he finds the prevailing question he gets early on in a conversation from North Americans is regarding what one does for work.

Kind of hits home, and a lot of NA's would be shocked to find out the kind of vacation time/social programs some European countries have.
 

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I met a German fellow in the Bahamas, and after speaking with him something still stands out.

He mentioned that while travelling he finds the prevailing question he gets early on in a conversation from North Americans is regarding what one does for work.

Kind of hits home, and a lot of NA's would be shocked to find out the kind of vacation time/social programs some European countries have.
What do you do as opposed to where you are from?
 
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That’s because their countries are so small it’s like going from Philly to wildwood or Manhattan. It’s all relative.

Yeah, but there's still a sense of "going somewhere different" that seems to be a lot easier for Europeans than it is for Americans, culturally. The actual logistics are of course easier, but mentally it's not as easy for most.

Much to @FlyerNutter's point though, it seems as though part of it seems to be tethered to employers much more generous leave programs. Hell, I struggle to get a day or two off sometimes.
 

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What do you do as opposed to where you are from?

Its been a long time since I've lived in Europe - hell I'm here for the majority of my life.

I do notice it with family interactions for example. When I go to the girl's family place - work is just such a prevailing topic, which bores me to hell.

The life dream is to start being more self-sufficient in terms of energy harvesting, food production/acquisition, so the work hours can be tuned down a little. I took a wild edibles intro course late last season, so will see what this summer holds in that regard.
 

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Its been a long time since I've lived in Europe - hell I'm here for the majority of my life.

I do notice it with family interactions for example. When I go to the girl's family place - work is just such a prevailing topic, which bores me to hell.

The life dream is to start being more self-sufficient in terms of energy harvesting, food production/acquisition, so the work hours can be tuned down a little. I took a wild edibles intro course late last season, so will see what this summer holds in that regard.
No bud, I mean did you mean they ask what do you do for a living before asking where they are from as opposed to us asking where are you from and then what do you do.
Wild edibles though? @BiggE could probably help out there.
 
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No bud, I mean did you mean they ask what do you do for a living before asking where they are from as opposed to us asking where are you from and then what do you do.
Wild edibles though? @BiggE could probably help out there.

Nahh, so like according to him. If you meet an NA guy > one of first questions is about what you do for work.

As opposed to someone not from NA the work question comes up later in the convo. It just made me think because it really is such a prevailing topic. I dunno, I always believed work should be something secondary to one’s life - not the defining attribute, but that’s the hippie side.
 
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I met a German fellow in the Bahamas, and after speaking with him something still stands out.

He mentioned that while travelling he finds the prevailing question he gets early on in a conversation from North Americans is regarding what one does for work.

Kind of hits home, and a lot of NA's would be shocked to find out the kind of vacation time/social programs some European countries have.

Next time you talk to him, ask him why all his people get to the pool before dawn and put towels on their chairs.
 
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