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The media is underreporting Ovechkin's defensive skill

No, but my response was to the qualifier, "when he puts in full effort." Ovechkin is great because of his offensive talent because we see that effort regularly. I imagine if he was diving to break up passing plays on an odd-man rush every night he could earn a reputation for his defensive efforts, but the question is whether he's regarded as he is due to a media bias as the OP states or to the aforementioned caveat.
 
In 30 years of watching hockey, 5 of the 10 worst defensive plays I have ever seen were by Ovechkin.

  1. I can remember a 2-1 playoff game against my Pens where we had a 45 second 'power play' with 2 minutes to go because Ovechkin was standing at center ice trying to make it 3-1.

  2. The controller disconnected play.

  3. This "play".

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2 out of 3 those examples were in the playoffs. Totally inexcusable.

It's hard to imagine he's suddenly a great defender. Though I have him seen him improve from the defensive black hole he started his career as.
Imagine actually keeping track of such a list with the sole intention of tearing down a player. Do you really think every player puts in 100% effort every game? If I or anyone else tried hard enough, we could easily find hundreds of clips similar to that where a player is casually back-checking with little effort.

Also, it was a regular season game against the Thrashers of all teams in the first period nonetheless. I don't think Washington needed to exert much effort at all to beat them.
 
Ovechkin is very good at backchecking/defending a rush, but once the other team is set up and cycling in the defensive zone, most of the Caps forwards, especially Ovi are pretty bad.
 
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No, but my response was to the qualifier, "when he puts in full effort." Ovechkin is great because of his offensive talent because we see that effort regularly. I imagine if he was diving to break up passing plays on an odd-man rush every night he could earn a reputation for his defensive efforts, but the question is whether he's regarded as he is due to a media bias as the OP states or to the aforementioned caveat.
He is regarded differently from "not the best goalscorers among Russians forwards to the GOAT goalscorer", from "terrible to the sufficient defensive level" by fans and media as well. Reputation is not the same among fans. I think some portion of it is due to media bias.
 
I am a Capitals fan that watches every game. I don't think Ovechkin is any good defensively overall, not consistently. I don't think he's much better at passing.

I do think that he is significantly better at both than he was his first few years. Low bar there. He makes some good defensive plays and some good passes sometimes. He is certainly trying to pass more often than he used to.

It is so difficult to put the puck in the net, and he seems to be so much better at doing that than everyone else in the world, and since scoring more goals than the other team is the object of the game, I will say that I believe him to be the most valuable player playing today, despite his glaring flaws. Specifically, what I mean by that is this: if you throw all active players into a draft pool, and all the teams draft for a league that will last exactly one year, I believe the first player you should pick is Ovechkin, still, today. I believe that has been true every year of his career so far.

That will stop being the case pretty soon though, I think. I give it one more year, two at most.

Not the prettiest player to watch, and, really, the beauty of the game is an important part of why most of us watch it, at least at an unconscious level. There is a lot of cognitive dissonance involved when I think about his overall value. I am not sure that I am right about what I am saying.
 
That narrative has been dead since like 2015. It's very well excepted OV is an average defensive player. Ever since that year he was - 39 or whatever (around the same time as the disconnected controller gif), he has improved his defense play.

Thread would have been better if titled "great defensive play by Ovechkin"
It really, REALLY isn't. You listen to analysts and hell, even posters here, most think Ovechkin as abyssmal in his own end.
 
You serious? Sure he goes to the offensive net front, after the puck is there. You can’t expect people to take you seriously if you’re trying to argue that Ovechkin battles in front as a screen or deflection option with even the remotest regularity. It’s not the player he is, and that’s fine, but it’s a significant part of why he is “more durable.”
Ovechkin goes to the net a lot more than most wingers do man, I'm not sure what games you're watching.
 
I am a Capitals fan that watches every game. I don't think Ovechkin is any good defensively overall, not consistently. I don't think he's much better at passing.

I do think that he is significantly better at both than he was his first few years. Low bar there. He makes some good defensive plays and some good passes sometimes. He is certainly trying to pass more often than he used to.

It is so difficult to put the puck in the net, and he seems to be so much better at doing that than everyone else in the world, and since scoring more goals than the other team is the object of the game, I will say that I believe him to be the most valuable player playing today, despite his glaring flaws. Specifically, what I mean by that is this: if you throw all active players into a draft pool, and all the teams draft for a league that will last exactly one year, I believe the first player you should pick is Ovechkin, still, today. I believe that has been true every year of his career so far.

That will stop being the case pretty soon though, I think. I give it one more year, two at most.

Not the prettiest player to watch, and, really, the beauty of the game is an important part of why most of us watch it, at least at an unconscious level. There is a lot of cognitive dissonance involved when I think about his overall value. I am not sure that I am right about what I am saying.
Ovechkin is a very good passer so again, I'm not sure what Capitals games you're watching. His cross ice passes are some of the best and most accurate I've seen, extremely underrated passer in the NHL.
 
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Most superstars are meh in their own zone. I honestly never thought Mcdavid, Malkin or hell even Crosby as beasts on the defensive end. Ovechkin was always put in the spolight because Ovechkin always had a lot of haters. Comes with the territory of being one of the greatest players ever. Haters are always gona hate
 
It really, REALLY isn't. You listen to analysts and hell, even posters here, most think Ovechkin as abyssmal in his own end.

I have never heard a professional analyst call him "abysmal" in his own end, and haven't heard or read anything non-neutral about his defense in years. Can you share some examples?
 
his defense is crap and now he is not even the best but just one among the best (russians probably). there should be just an extra award for russian forwards... leave the canadian hockey alone... its reserved for national heros. lets ignore the rockets for a min and focus on gpg. seriously his career must be a dagger to the heart for some people... that makes his legacy even funnier.
uhh he compared him to bure not gretzky or lemuiex .

anyways ovie doesnt need to be good defensively he has been the best goal scorer in the league for the last decade.
 
The real story here. Is this the first thread that noted Capitals fan Illpucks has started that's actually about a capitals player ?
 
He's obviously not good defensively, but anyone saying he's "terrible" clearly doesn't watch the caps, especially playoff games. He puts in the effort, he back checks, he doesn't blow the zone. It's amazing how much hate OV gets. Boudreau gave him the green light to play all out offense, so he did with no complaints. Hunter made him block shots and benched him at the end of games, OV did with no complaints. Oates made him switch positions, OV did with no complaints. Trotz asked him to be more responsible defensively, OV did with no complaints. Caps asked him to lose some weight to gain some speed based on how the game is changing, OV did with no complaints. The guy has always done everything that's been asked of him, yet there's still people on here and in the media who say he's lazy, he's selfish, etc. Keep hating, we caps fans know who he is and we're perfectly fine with it =)
 
He's obviously not good defensively, but anyone saying he's "terrible" clearly doesn't watch the caps, especially playoff games. He puts in the effort, he back checks, he doesn't blow the zone. It's amazing how much hate OV gets. Boudreau gave him the green light to play all out offense, so he did with no complaints. Hunter made him block shots and benched him at the end of games, OV did with no complaints. Oates made him switch positions, OV did with no complaints. Trotz asked him to be more responsible defensively, OV did with no complaints. Caps asked him to lose some weight to gain some speed based on how the game is changing, OV did with no complaints. The guy has always done everything that's been asked of him, yet there's still people on here and in the media who say he's lazy, he's selfish, etc. Keep hating, we caps fans know who he is and we're perfectly fine with it =)

I think he has the ability to be very good defensively but he is a product of the role he is expected to play. He has the tools to be a great defensive player. If Reirden tells him he is getting no time on the PP, and he will play a 2 min PK, I think he will adjust and play that role at the highest level.

There are sometimes where he looks lost defensively. I just wish the Caps coaches would care enough to help him with it. Because I think his skill level is very high but the coaches think it's not important because of his role.
 
So we are supposed to discredit and not believe all metrics and advanced stats that show and tell us that Ovechkin is awful on the defensive end?

Instead we are supposed to believe a Caps fan that watches him every game and simply take their word for it?

Is that what we are doing?
If in NA the game can be defined by some pile of metrics, why are you so interested in watching humans play? Let the machines calculate the games for you.

Seriously those "metrics" you mention most of the time come down to a GIF, a narrative and some outdated out of the context stats.

Right now Ovechkin is good defensively. And ffs he is a winger. Wingers have the least defensive responsibilities in the game. Those discussions are really about trying to find something to bash about a player. Defencemen are often getting a free pass on being bad defensively for their offence, but Ovechkin is somehow always criticized for his defence. This is just wrong.
 
In 30 years of watching hockey, 5 of the 10 worst defensive plays I have ever seen were by Ovechkin.

  1. I can remember a 2-1 playoff game against my Pens where we had a 45 second 'power play' with 2 minutes to go because Ovechkin was standing at center ice trying to make it 3-1.

  2. The controller disconnected play.

  3. This "play".

Cafv4FV.gif


2 out of 3 those examples were in the playoffs. Totally inexcusable.

It's hard to imagine he's suddenly a great defender. Though I have him seen him improve from the defensive black hole he started his career as.

Not gonna pretend he is great at defense or anything. Hes probably average but some of what you are talking about from the early part of his career is coaching. He was the offense and was told by his coaches to play the way he did as a high scoring winger. Not saying that's a good strategy but it is what his coaches had him doing. A few years before they won he dug in with everyone else and played much better defense.
 
I see two things on here.

1. Stats posters who use measures that don't properly evaluate Ovi's defensive skill to say he is lacking defensively
2. People that follow what the media says.

Here's the thing. I watch every Caps game. Ovie this season has been making a high level defensive play almost every game and many on here are completely unaware of that.

I see him make great plays on defense, and the announcers give him major props. and then no youtube clip, no twitter clip, nothing. So it never happened.

So, I thought I would post the next solid defensive play Ovi did that the media didn't report. And vs the Oilers he had an amazing defensive play that the media didn't report. So I am going to upload it to YT myself to prove to you his defensive skills are solid and they are being underreported by the media.

Vs. Oilers




I would appreciate if posters can keep this civil and not post gifs to bash Ovi

He does have some bad habits and he does cheat towards offence. But in terms of his acumen and actual skill on defense, it's very high and when he puts in full effort he does possess very high level defensive skill.




Are you a Trump supporter by chance?? ;\
 
You serious? Sure he goes to the offensive net front, after the puck is there. You can’t expect people to take you seriously if you’re trying to argue that Ovechkin battles in front as a screen or deflection option with even the remotest regularity.

It would be difficult for you to be any wronger. I had to reach back all the way to the last game I watched (2 games ago) to find this example:

Oilers rookie defenseman on Alex Ovechkin scoring twice: ‘Nobody’s really that upset. It’s Ovechkin, right?’
 
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He used to really bad defensively, not because a lack of talent clearly, he just didn't put the effort into that part of his game.

But these days he's fine. He's really worked on that and it's payed off.
 
I have never heard a professional analyst call him "abysmal" in his own end, and haven't heard or read anything non-neutral about his defense in years. Can you share some examples?
Peruse this board and this thread, it's out there and it's been out there since he's entered the league.
 
He's always stunk defensively. "He's good when he puts in effort" is a bad excuse.

He is a poor and lazy defender. He scores goals so who cares?
 

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