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Value of: The Matt Duchene Market

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I think one of the more interesting potential stories this off-season is where Matt Duchene ends up and one kind of contract he gets. This discussion could all be moot if he takes another sweetheart deal in Dallas, with Nashville still paying him over $6.5 million next year.

But what if he decides to test the market or Dallas says “thanks Matty, but time to move on.”?

We all know that high-end centers are a great position of need and scarcity for a ton of teams around the league. And among the free agents, Duchene’s counting stats production this year, name recognition and perceived “star” value place him probably at the top of a lot of fan wishlists - along with maybe Tavares (ironically those two have been linked their entire careers). Bennett’s a different class for me due to his age. Granlund and Nelson are up there too. But the pickings are slim.

The question for me is that A) Duchene is going to be 35 halfway through the season and B) the discrepancy between his regular season counting stats on a powerhouse Dallas team and his playoff production and usage is extremely concerning. This from a guy who has lacked year to year consistency for basically his entire career.

I think there will be a segment of fans who zero in on “30 goals and 82 points in 82 games” and think they are getting an all-star center. But he was really a secondary and at times even a tertiary threat on a loaded forward group and he shot nearly 20%, over 6 points above his career average. Still, it’s good production for sure. And he’s a real center who is strong on face-offs.

But then the playoffs…oof. 1 goal and 6 points and -16 in 18 games. Now, he was far from the only Stars forward to struggle mightily. But it’s worth a discussion because he is up for a contract and because of his age and because not only he couldn’t get the puck in the net…but his shot generation and usage also fell. I think all those things combine to say “buyer beware.”

But…the market for centers is going to be very fruitful for players this summer in particular. If your team has a giant chasm in the middle, are you ok with paying big bucks for Duchene on a 3-4 year retirement deal in the hopes he can sustain this past regular season?
 
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One of the biggest playoff choke artists in modern times, he not only dissapears but he becomes a liability due to his lack of effort and care

12 points in 37 games, the last two years in deep playoff runs and it's not like he's relied on to do much besides contributing offensively

He'd be a great fit for a team needing a center to help develop its offensive minded young wingers and one not planning to be a playoff team
 
As a Habs fan, I would love Duchene but for no more than 3 years. He would be my first choice as a stop gap ahead of Tavares, Granlund and Nelson.
 
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1y/3m back to Dallas.

Certainly plausible he just continues as is with another year. And would be hard to turn from a team standpoint even if he is fading.

That said, a little piece of me wonders if Dallas might say it’s time to move on from Benn-Duchene-Seguin by letting the former two walk and trying to maybe deal Seguin’s contract.

There’s a bit of the Wheeler-Winnipeg feeling to this team and I wonder if just getting younger and hungrier and empowering their younger core more might keep the franchise energized. Give more minutes to Johnston-Hintz as your 1-2 and plug the third line with sprier two-way legs.
 
If he is open to markets other than Dallas, then the Canes would be a great fit for him. We have a gaping hole at 2C and have all the cap space in the world. He still gets nice weather and southern comfy living while playing on a 'contender'
 
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I'd take him in Utah, ideally for 2 years, but I'm not sure how much I'd be willing to pay him.

I don't really care that he's known for disappearing come playoff time. He'd help us get to the playoffs in the first place in the 2C role, where we (like many teams) have a hole in the lineup. As I like to say, when you're not a playoff team, your goal is to get back into the playoffs, and you can figure out how to win in them later. By the time we become a contender (if we do, as not all rebuilds succeed), Duchene will ideally no longer be our 2C, but he'd be a decent option as a stopgap in the meantime.
 
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Dubas should overpay for him for a few years. Helps justify moving out Rust and Rakell. His playoff production won't be an issue in Pittsburgh as he'll never play in the playoffs there.
 
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I think one of the more interesting potential stories this off-season is where Matt Duchene ends up and one kind of contract he gets. This discussion could all be moot if he takes another sweetheart deal in Dallas, with Nashville still paying him over $6.5 million next year.

But what if he decides to test the market or Dallas says “thanks Matty, but time to move on.”?

We all know that high-end centers are a great position of need and scarcity for a ton of teams around the league. And among the free agents, Duchene’s counting stats production this year, name recognition and perceived “star” value place him probably at the top of a lot of fan wishlists - along with maybe Tavares (ironically those two have been linked their entire careers). Bennett’s a different class for me due to his age. Granlund and Nelson are up there too. But the pickings are slim.

The question for me is that A) Duchene is going to be 35 halfway through the season and B) the discrepancy between his regular season counting stats on a powerhouse Dallas team and his playoff production and usage is extremely concerning. This from a guy who has lacked year to year consistency for basically his entire career.

I think there will be a segment of fans who zero in on “30 goals and 82 points in 82 games” and think they are getting an all-star center. But he was really a secondary and at times even a tertiary threat on a loaded forward group and he shot nearly 20%, over 6 points above his career average. Still, it’s good production for sure. And he’s a real center who is strong on face-offs.

But then the playoffs…oof. 1 goal and 6 points and -16 in 18 games. Now, he was far from the only Stars forward to struggle mightily. But it’s worth a discussion because he is up for a contract and because of his age and because not only he couldn’t get the puck in the net…but his shot generation and usage also fell. I think all those things combine to say “buyer beware.”

But…the market for centers is going to be very fruitful for players this summer in particular. If your team has a giant chasm in the middle, are you ok with paying big bucks for Duchene on a 3-4 year retirement deal in the hopes he can sustain this past regular season?
Montreal interested if he will sign here.
 
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1y/3m back to Dallas.
Asking him to give up 15-20M dollars is asking a lot.

1 x 9M
2 x 8M
3 x 7M

P/PG C's are worth a lot. Duchene isn't as fast as he used to be, but he is still an above average skater. 3M is a ridiculously low amount for him.
 
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Asking him to give up 15-20M dollars is asking a lot.

1 x 9M
2 x 8M
3 x 7M

P/PG C's are worth a lot. Duchene isn't as fast as he used to be, but he is still an above average skater. 3M is a ridiculously low amount for him.
I mean, it's the exact contract he has this year. With bonuses, Nashville is still paying him $7 million for the up-coming season as well. Duchene is banking $10 million for the season if he takes the same deal for another year.

Not saying he's not giving up earnings if he takes another deal like this, but he's got a different circumstance than most guys.

Now, the buyout money does shrink drastically after this year and there's a good chance Duchene is not going to be a P/PG player in 25-26, so if a team offers him a 3-4 year big-time deal to end his career on the back of an 82 point season and combined with lack of center depth and new cap space burning holes in the pockets of GM's - absolutely, he should grab that long-term deal to end his career. This is a perfect storm to get a whopper of a deal for a bunch of these guys.
 
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If he holds out for a while, and the Canucks can’t find a centre, I can see them coming in late on a two year deal
 
Dubas should overpay for him for a few years. Helps justify moving out Rust and Rakell. His playoff production won't be an issue in Pittsburgh as he'll never play in the playoffs there.

If dubas overpays for a 35yr old center he isn't moving rust and rakell out, that signing screams "we think we are a second line away from the playoffs" and he keeps rust and rakell and malkin ends up with Sid and rakell for his farewell run and duch centers rust and maybe one of the kids.
 
If dubas overpays for a 35yr old center he isn't moving rust and rakell out, that signing screams "we think we are a second line away from the playoffs" and he keeps rust and rakell and malkin ends up with Sid and rakell for his farewell run and duch centers rust and maybe one of the kids.
Pens are many players away from being a serious team. Will take years to get there and be long after the core has retired.
 
Just keep JT then.

Hard to imagine Duchene doing a 1-year deal anywhere but Dallas. The time to capitalize on his 82 point season, league-wide lack of centers and new cap space is this summer.
We would need both to play middle 6 Cs.

Knies Matthews _______
Cowan Duchene Nylander
McMann Tavares Domi
 
Duchene accepting sub par money, I think, was something he was ready to do only in Dallas. As they're a top contending team.

But if he goes to the open market, I think he won't make any discounts.

3 x 7 mil I think would be reasonable.

More than that, might it be terms or money, is more risky.

But the 2025 summer market will be a hot crazy one.
With the end of the COVID flat cap era, the whole NHL, even contenders, will have money available.

It will create a buyer's market.

High demand + low offer = price 💥
 
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Not sure Dallas should even take him back at 3million. Clearly they aren’t going to win with him. The dude is a liability in playoffs and is mentally weak.
 
Dallas won't commit the money they have left on him.

And they're in win now mode, according to Duchene last two playoff presences with them, he's clearly not a solution in their pursuit of their objective.

I think he's gone...

But the suitors, since the offer in offensive centers is so shallow, will be plenty.

Will he favors money, desired environment.. or a little bit of both?
 
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