HF Habs: The Martin St Louis Thread

[bcv]

Some of these posts are hilarious.

It’s as if Marty did not coach a very young rebuilding team with poor depth to the playoffs years ahead of schedule.

It’s as if our important young players under 25 are not thriving.

It’s as if he’s not completely aligned and trusted by management of who by any objective measure have done an outstanding job rebuilding the franchise so far.

Simply put: His job is one of the most secure in the entire league now. Even if we miss the playoffs next year. Marty is going to be here a long time.

Marty did develop the young kids very well.

But starting next year, the Habs are no longer focusing on development and he'll need to coach like it, starting by being able to adjust his concept/system/coverage, or whatever he'll call it, to the roster on hand.

Playing man-to-man defense when at least a 1/3 of your team can't skate is bound to lead to blown coverage and a lot of high danger chances, which happened all year.

Marty was the right guy to bring in at the stage the Habs were at at the time, remains to be seen if he's the right guy for the next stage.

Coaches have a short shelf life, MSL is the proof. Only 3 years in and he's the 5th most tenured coach in the league. Depending on your definition of a long time, I'd wager he won't be here that long.

 

[teamfirst]

Marty did develop the young kids very well.

But starting next year, the Habs are no longer focusing on development and he'll need to coach like it, starting by being able to adjust his concept/system/coverage, or whatever he'll call it, to the roster on hand.

Playing man-to-man defense when at least a 1/3 of your team can't skate is bound to lead to blown coverage and a lot of high danger chances, which happened all year.

Marty was the right guy to bring in at the stage the Habs were at at the time, remains to be seen if he's the right guy for the next stage.

Coaches have a short shelf life, MSL is the proof. Only 3 years in and he's the 5th most tenured coach in the league. Depending on your definition of a long time, I'd wager he won't be here that long.

Excellent post

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Marty did develop the young kids very well.

But starting next year, the Habs are no longer focusing on development and he'll need to coach like it, starting by being able to adjust his concept/system/coverage, or whatever he'll call it, to the roster on hand.

Playing man-to-man defense when at least a 1/3 of your team can't skate is bound to lead to blown coverage and a lot of high danger chances, which happened all year.

Marty was the right guy to bring in at the stage the Habs were at at the time, remains to be seen if he's the right guy for the next stage.

Coaches have a short shelf life, MSL is the proof. Only 3 years in and he's the 5th most tenured coach in the league. Depending on your definition of a long time, I'd wager he won't be here that long.

The habs made the playoffs this season, they are already past the just development stage.

They did this year what everyone was hoping they could accomplish next season.

 

[bcv]

The habs made the playoffs this season, they are already past the just development stage.

According to everyone involved with the team : No, they are not.

 

[ahmedou]

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

According to everyone involved with the team : No, they are not.

Not sure what you're talking about.
They've been talking about treating every game like a playoff game since the 4-Nations faceoffs. The focus is clearly more on winning than developing right now. It's why Heineman, Kapanen, and Xhekaj are playing limited minutes.

 

[bcv]

Not sure what you're talking about.
They've been talking about treating every game like a playoff game since the 4-Nations faceoffs. The focus is clearly more on winning than developing right now. It's why Heineman, Kapanen, and Xhekaj are playing limited minutes.

The goal of the season was to develop the kids, as said by MSL, Hughes and Gorton. Obviously, when they were in the mix for a playoffs spot in the last few weeks, they played for wins. Doesn't mean that the main goal for the entire season wasn't to develop the kids.

If the focus was on winning, they would've made additions at the deadline.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

The goal of the season was to develop the kids, as said by MSL, Hughes and Gorton. Obviously, when they were in the mix for a playoffs spot in the last few weeks, they played for wins. Doesn't mean that the main goal for the entire season wasn't to develop the kids.

If the focus was on winning, they would've made additions at the deadline.

Being in the mix for the playoffs was the talk before the season started, so winning was an important focus. It became the main focus at some point during the season, and Marty did pretty well coaching the team. Next season isn't going to be different than what they've been doing the last few months.

 

[Cole Caulifield]

The rebuild is going according to plan , if anything it's going faster than planned in large part thanks to MSL and people are still freaking out on MSL.

Do you guys know it's very possible we don't make the playoffs next year and take a step back in the standings , I can't imagine how you guys will be crying on MSL even more than now. Will be a fun read.

Our second line C couldn't crack 30 points haha

That will really depend on the summer KH has. This team needs major upgrades. We know Suzuki usually has slow starts to the season. Climbing back into the standings the way we did this year is not a repeatable thing. Not to mention that we were one of the only teams with such a negative goal differential to make the playoffs. To even maintain our standings we will need guys like Demidov to have a big impact, Hutson/Slaf to continue improving and Caufield/Suzuki to stay at this level. That's a lot of ifs. We definitely need some roster changes in the summer. Just guys from within won't be enough.

 

[bcv]

Being in the mix for the playoffs was the talk before the season started, so winning was an important focus. It became the main focus at some point during the season, and Marty did pretty well coaching the team. Next season isn't going to be different than what they've been doing the last few months.

OK, MSL is perfect and can do no wrong. The Jack Adams will be renamed in a few years.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I find this "too early for the pull" discourse a bit nonsensical. There is no such thing as a "too early goalie pull". It's all just based on whether you score or not. There is no correlation between taking the goalie out later and having more chance of scoring lol.

Now the Caps scored and everyone critiques the early pull. It's nonsensical. You don't play to avoid being scored on with an empty net, you play to score 6 on 5.More 6 on 5 time gives you more chances of scoring. That's it.

It’s fine to disagree with a coach’s decision. As I said earlier, would you have disagreed if he’d pulled the goalie with ten minutes left? Would you have disagreed if we started the game without a goalie? I think we’d all agree those were bad moves right?

So now it just becomes a question of degrees. At what point does it make sense? To me, I’d have waited until we had some good pressure going and maybe under two minutes left. You may not agree and that’s okay.

Where things get crazy is when you get posters who think he should be fired for this or think he’s an idiot etc… Stuff get polarizing and silly sometimes.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

OK, MSL is perfect and can do no wrong. The Jack Adams will be renamed in a few years.

If that's all you have left to say, I guess you accepted that your point was incorrect.

 

[bcv]

If that's all you have left to say, I guess you accepted that your point was incorrect.

No, I accepted that I don't have to get involved with every wrong arguments. I don't have @417 's patience or eagerness to debate.

If you don't understand that "being in the mix" is to develop the kids by playing meaningful games, and not in the hopes of winning the cup, then I can't help you.

Conversation over.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

No, I accepted that I don't have to get involved with every wrong arguments. I don't have @417 's patience or eagerness to debate.

If you don't understand that "being in the mix" is to develop the kids by playing meaningful games, and not in the hopes of winning the cup, then I can't help you.

Conversation over.

How do you think they end up playing meaningful games? By winning games to stay in playoff contention. Not to mention, this was coming from a team that just finished bottom 5, so if they wanted to be in the mix, it would require them to win a lot more than they are used to.

Your point was that Marty wasn't coaching to win this season, and he would need to adjust next season. If not coaching to win made his team a playoff team, then how is coaching to win going to be a problem? The expectations next season aren’t to contend for the Cup, they are to make the playoffs. And Marty has already shown he can do that.

 

[417]

No, I accepted that I don't have to get involved with every wrong arguments. I don't have @417 's patience or eagerness to debate.

If you don't understand that "being in the mix" is to develop the kids by playing meaningful games, and not in the hopes of winning the cup, then I can't help you.

Conversation over.

You rang?

 

[bcv]

You rang?

 

[417]

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[Bombshell11]

How do you think they end up playing meaningful games? By winning games to stay in playoff contention. Not to mention, this was coming from a team that just finished bottom 5, so if they wanted to be in the mix, it would require them to win a lot more than they are used to.

Your point was that Marty wasn't coaching to win this season, and he would need to adjust next season. If not coaching to win made his team a playoff team, then how is coaching to win going to be a problem? The expectations next season aren’t to contend for the Cup, they are to make the playoffs. And Marty has already shown he can do that.

MSL is lile a bad goalie who makes every save look crazy but we all know its because hes got no technique.

Due to MSL’s lack of experience we’re making it way harder than it should be.

Demidov on the 1st PP from the second period of game 81 and onwards was a no brainer. <—- he wanted to use Laine… he was hurting the team, he could have qualified a long time ago.

Demidov on the first is also a no brainer but people here rather try to gaslight us and tell us everything is alright.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

MSL is lile a bad goalie who makes every save look crazy but we all know its because hes got no technique.

Due to MSL’s lack of experience we’re making it way harder than it should be.

Demidov on the 1st PP from the second period of game 81 and onwards was a no brainer. <—- he wanted to use Laine… he was hurting the team, he could have qualified a long time ago.

Demidov on the first is also a no brainer but people here rather try to gaslight us and tell us everything is alright.

So, breaking up a great first line for a guy who's played four NHL games is a no brainer?

Thanks for coming out.

 

[Kimota]

Interesting discussion lately that I have heard. I think it was between Pierre McGuire and Tony but I'm not sure because I am watching like ten podcast lately. They were saying that the Habs are not able to be physiccal as they can because MSL is too restrictive. So like for instance Xhekaj did well last game in hitting within the confine of "separating player from puck" but he doesn't make doesn't thunderous impactful hits because he is scared to being caught and being punished. And this goes for Ghule and the rest of the roster. Whereas at this point in time Jack should be a real menace and scared the living Hell out of evetybody, The Caps players and coach know that he is restrained and so it's still open seaon on our guys cause of it. Like for instance, after the Carrier hit by Wilson, when the Habs knew the game was out of reach, why didn't Jack take the number and pound the living Hell out of him. And not just Jack. Guys should have gone after him left and right.

MSL is a a relatively young coach and maybe he'll realise this and learn from it maybe even not right away, Or maybe not at all. But it has to change.

 

[Milhouse40]

MSL is lile a bad goalie who makes every save look crazy but we all know its because hes got no technique.

Due to MSL’s lack of experience we’re making it way harder than it should be.

Demidov on the 1st PP from the second period of game 81 and onwards was a no brainer. <—- he wanted to use Laine… he was hurting the team, he could have qualified a long time ago.

Demidov on the first is also a no brainer but people here rather try to gaslight us and tell us everything is alright.

So...you would have thrown Demidov against the top pairing D and fqacing the other team 1st line ?
And who you would have taken off the first line?

 

[Bombshell11]

So, breaking up a great first line for a guy who's played four NHL games is a no brainer?

Thanks for coming out.

No so lets bury the best offensive talent we have on the 5th line ?

What are you talking about man?

What kind of logic is this?

 

[Bombshell11]

So...you would have thrown Demidov against the top pairing D and fqacing the other team 1st line ?
And who you would have taken off the first line?

100%

Slaf

Or the very least put Demi with Cole on the second line and keep Slaf with Suzuki

I would have 2 strong Duos