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Just look with your eyes as @Mrb1p said

But I'm not going off just the eye test, also came with receipts via Dach's own words. He said he only started taking his training seriously at the start of December, which coincides with his shortly lived improved play


"Dach knew this season was going to be hard for him no matter what, coming off ACL and MCL reconstruction for a knee injury that kept him out of all but two games last season.

“I knew it would take time,” Dach said to us on Wednesday. “I was at home last summer (in Fort Saskatchewan, Alta.) watching the Oilers run with my friends, seeing how Connor Brown (who tore his ACL the season prior) had struggled all year before playing amazing in the playoffs, and I was thinking about it.”

Dach wouldn’t have wished for it to have gone this way so far, but maybe it had to just to bring him to some important realizations that he hopes will propel him forward.

The first one was that even if Dach thought he was doing everything he could to mitigate the difficulty of returning from his injury, there was a stronger investment to make.

“I kind of looked at that maybe three weeks ago and decided to go deeper and just do everything possible to give myself the best chance and give my teammates and coaches the best version of me,” he said.

“I committed to finding that extra level of drive and commitment to the game and doing all the little things before and after practice and in the gym and on off-days — treating my body right and making sure I’m doing the right things to feel good for the next day — to build better habits.

“I think there’s a lot of off-ice work and stuff that I do on my own when nobody’s around now. If we have the chance some days, sometimes I’ll get out early when nobody’s around and skate by myself to just get a feel of the puck. And in the gym, it’s not just doing everything hard that one day but more about consistency and building up and doing everything right; not overdoing it, but having that consistency to hopefully change the layout of my season and my trajectory.”

It hasn’t happened yet, but it would never happen if Dach refused to face some hard truths he’s currently grappling with.

We asked him if he’d approach last summer’s preparation for this season differently, and he said, “For sure.”

Dach added that realization is helping him now, and should help him next summer, regardless of whether or not his further investment into the current labour bears fruit between now and then.
What is it you think you've shown with that article?
 
What is it you think you've shown with that article?
I'll give you bullet points

  • On December 18th 2024, Dach told the reporter that he only started focusing on taking the best care of himself 3 weeks ago, which would be well into the start of this season
  • Dach brags about taking care of himself on off days now, implying he didn't before
  • When asked if he should have taken better preparation in the offseason, Dach responds "for sure"
Not sure how you can read that and conclude that Dach prepared himself for success this offseason
 
I'll give you bullet points

  • On December 18th 2024, Dach told the reporter that he only started focusing on taking the best care of himself 3 weeks ago, which would be well into the start of this season
  • Dach brags about taking care of himself on off days now, implying he didn't before
  • When asked if he should have taken better preparation in the offseason, Dach responds "for sure"
Not sure how you can read that and conclude that Dach prepared himself for success this offseason
So, you think he only started training in mid December?

You don't think him having surgery on both the ACL and MCL had anything to do with his training being altered?

The guy was on crutches months after the surgery. It's was a major injury. You're not going to be able to train like you want to. For Pete's sake I had frozen shoulder for a year (nowhere near as serious as this) and I wasn't able to train anything at all.

It's not like he was sitting around eating junk food just passing the time watching TV.
 
So, you think he only started training in mid December?

You don't think him having surgery on both the ACL and MCL had anything to do with his training being altered?

The guy was on crutches months after the surgery. It's was a major injury. You're not going to be able to train like you want to. For Pete's sake I had frozen shoulder for a year (nowhere near as serious as this) and I wasn't able to train anything at all.

It's not like he was sitting around eating junk food just passing the time watching TV.
I think you're better than this and I don't need to respond to your strawman BS. It should be easy to admit, based on Dach's own words as proof, that he had a bad offseason and should have changed his approach to set him up for success.

There was room for improvement, as he said so himself.

It's actually encouraging in the long run if Dach is telling the truth in that article, that could help explain his horrid start and mid season resurgence when he said he started taking his training more seriously.
 
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I think you're better than this and I don't need to respond to your strawman BS. It should be easy to admit, based on Dach's own words as proof, that he had a bad offseason and should have changed his approach to set him up for success.

There was room for improvement, as he said so himself.

It's actually encouraging in the long run if Dach is telling the truth in that article, that could help explain his horrid start and mid season resurgence when he said he started taking his training more seriously.
What strawman?

Nobody disagrees he was out of shape. The dispute is as to why. You've chalked it up to laziness and that's bullshit.
 
Came in visibly out of shape, could see it in his face and also could see it at the end of his shifts.

Also reported by Matthias Brunet who's usually a big cheerleader, so you know it has creedance.

Well he did have a roundish Phil Kessel hot dog kind of face. BUT. To me that isnt enough so yeah confirmation from medias.
 
What strawman?

Nobody disagrees he was out of shape. The dispute is as to why. You've chalked it up to laziness and that's bullshit.
He said he started doing a deep dive and focusing more seriously on how to best take care of his body in early December. Too little, too late.

Also, about him being ready at the end of last season. I'll use Dach's words agains.

 
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Just look with your eyes as @Mrb1p said

But I'm not going off just the eye test, also came with receipts via Dach's own words. He said he only started taking his training seriously at the start of December, which coincides with his shortly lived improved play


"Dach knew this season was going to be hard for him no matter what, coming off ACL and MCL reconstruction for a knee injury that kept him out of all but two games last season.

“I knew it would take time,” Dach said to us on Wednesday. “I was at home last summer (in Fort Saskatchewan, Alta.) watching the Oilers run with my friends, seeing how Connor Brown (who tore his ACL the season prior) had struggled all year before playing amazing in the playoffs, and I was thinking about it.”

Dach wouldn’t have wished for it to have gone this way so far, but maybe it had to just to bring him to some important realizations that he hopes will propel him forward.

The first one was that even if Dach thought he was doing everything he could to mitigate the difficulty of returning from his injury, there was a stronger investment to make.

“I kind of looked at that maybe three weeks ago and decided to go deeper and just do everything possible to give myself the best chance and give my teammates and coaches the best version of me,” he said.

“I committed to finding that extra level of drive and commitment to the game and doing all the little things before and after practice and in the gym and on off-days — treating my body right and making sure I’m doing the right things to feel good for the next day — to build better habits.

“I think there’s a lot of off-ice work and stuff that I do on my own when nobody’s around now. If we have the chance some days, sometimes I’ll get out early when nobody’s around and skate by myself to just get a feel of the puck. And in the gym, it’s not just doing everything hard that one day but more about consistency and building up and doing everything right; not overdoing it, but having that consistency to hopefully change the layout of my season and my trajectory.”

It hasn’t happened yet, but it would never happen if Dach refused to face some hard truths he’s currently grappling with.

We asked him if he’d approach last summer’s preparation for this season differently, and he said, “For sure.”

Dach added that realization is helping him now, and should help him next summer, regardless of whether or not his further investment into the current labour bears fruit between now and then.

Hmmm. Not good. Surprising at this stage he needs to realize his career is on the line.
 
People can complain about MSL all they want but the proof is in the pudding - - took a young team and improved by 15 pts and made the playoffs after finishing 5th worst last season. I mean, what do people think another coach could have accomplished with this team? He's still learning too, he'll improve. Needs some more tactical development
 
The players willed themselves to this position and if MSL had a proper PP they'd have made the playoffs 3 games ago. Marty's amateur hour coaching schemes have little to do with it. They have the talent to have a top 5 PP in the league and they're 21st, that's on the coaching staff. Also would like to know aside from Suzuki, Struble (Thank Robidas for that) and maybe Anderson who has dramatically improved on this team this year?

So the players willed themselves from bottom 5 last season to a playoff spot this season, but they can't will themselves to a proper powerplay?

If Marty has so little impact on the good of the team, then clearly he should have very little impact on the bad of this team.

In probably every metric, the team made good progress this season, and many players had better seasons than they had the last few years (Suzuki, Caufield, Gallagher, Evans, Anderson, Struble, Heineman, Xhekaj, Hutson made great progress from the beginning of the season to now).
 
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So the players willed themselves from bottom 5 last season to a playoff spot this season, but they can't will themselves to a proper powerplay?

If Marty has so little impact on the good of the team, then clearly he should have very little impact on the bad of this team.

In probably every metric, the team made good progress this season, and many players had better seasons than they had the last few years (Suzuki, Caufield, Gallagher, Evans, Anderson, Struble, Heineman, Xhekaj, Hutson made great progress from the beginning of the season to now).
And the PP should be better next year with Demidov and Hutson playing together.
 
36 points progression in 3 years, with a half-built roster.

55 points to 91 points. That's f***ing astounding.

A team that plays ,500 over a season needs 18 more points to become a 100 points team (,617). That's how significant those 36 points are.

From 218 GF 317 GA (-99) to 243 GF 261 (-18), a progression of +81. An average of +27 per season.

Progressing again next season with proper additions including a full season of Demidov, they are pacing to reach 100 points.

Les haters vont devoir ronger leur frein. Marty's not about to get canned.
 
But St. Louis' greatest success was selling hope to the Canadiens. Especially at times when hope was beyond fleeting.
"We talked about it just after the game," said Mike Matheson. "(Canadiens assistant coach Trevor Letowski) got up and reiterated that at the 4 Nations break there was a two per-cent chance that we were going to make the playoffs, and I don’t even know what the percentage was going into the season, but at no point did Marty ever stop believing. And I think during those times when it was maybe a little bit harder to believe, he picked us back up and kept that belief and drive and focus. So the word that comes to mind is 'instrumental.'
"What Marty did was instrumental and, without it, I don’t know where we’d be at."

 
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