HF Habs: The Martin St Louis Thread
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Mrb1p
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I get hindsight is 20/20 and I'm not even sure I expected Hutson to become an elite two-way top pairing dman in his rookie season, but man if it wasn't obvious at the time that selling high on Matheson was the right move...
If you don’t like MSL, not sure you will ever like any coach.
The Therrien days still haunt me.
The Therrien days still haunt me.
I think MSL is the best coach for us since Demers. And I have hated some of those coaches, notably Martin and Therrien.
Are there things that annoy me with him ? Well of course, but that doesnt change that Im glad ad heck he is the coach. I wish that he would be as forgiving and appreciate the physical toughs more, like Xhekaj.
Are there things that annoy me with him ? Well of course, but that doesnt change that Im glad ad heck he is the coach. I wish that he would be as forgiving and appreciate the physical toughs more, like Xhekaj.
JianYang
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I've seen all coaches come and go the last 35 years starting with pat burns.
One thing you learn over that time is that coaching is an extremely volatile job and some fans get on them almost as quick as they are hired.... rinse and repeat
And it's not just a montreal problem. Despite st louis only being hired in 2022, he is already the 5th most tenured coach in the league.
One day, he will be gone, and a new guy will have a honeymoon for a few weeks, and then the same fans will call for his head.
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i like MSL aa a coach and think he's done a fine job.
He has fallen into that trap however from time to time - all coaches do,
of playing his faves and his vets at the expense of 'development' because of that
pressure to win - and I don't necessarily think it's external....he was a pro athlete,
he's wired that way
He has fallen into that trap however from time to time - all coaches do,
of playing his faves and his vets at the expense of 'development' because of that
pressure to win - and I don't necessarily think it's external....he was a pro athlete,
he's wired that way
1909
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He is learning….slowly…. The team is not ready to start games 50% of the time.
just watched this expecting much more due to some reactions to this clip, and good god people need to relax. even the caption - lost his temper? dude exhaled out of his nose loudly
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this I get. He doesn't need or want the distractions right now. Yes Demi is a phenom, but he wants everyone focused on making playoffs
1909
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Yeah He is right. And that is why I wrote before that bringing Demidov right now could be a source of distraction while the team is trying to get a Payoffs spot.
HabsAddict
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X is a " favorite" and i don't get the love for boat anchor Savard...
But far worse...
Imagine being Heinaman and getting scratched over ZERO TALENT, ZERO POINT Pezz.
Fantastic coaching. Right up there with Therrien in playing favorites.
BTW...we are were we are because of Hutson and Suzuki.
But far worse...
Imagine being Heinaman and getting scratched over ZERO TALENT, ZERO POINT Pezz.
Fantastic coaching. Right up there with Therrien in playing favorites.
BTW...we are were we are because of Hutson and Suzuki.
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So, the team scratched Pezzetta for most of the year because he wasnt good enough, but now they're scratching Heineman because Pezzetta is suddenly good ? I'm not a fan of Heineman, but he's better.
Don't want to change a winning lineup, but you won't change a losing lineup ?
The accountability is severely lacking on this team.
Veterans play like ass, no problem.
Rookies/young players you're being sat.
Team is rarely ready to go, but that isn't entirely on him.
I get people want to be homers, but there's gotta be some question marks with him and there's some fairly big ones, too.
Don't want to change a winning lineup, but you won't change a losing lineup ?
The accountability is severely lacking on this team.
Veterans play like ass, no problem.
Rookies/young players you're being sat.
Team is rarely ready to go, but that isn't entirely on him.
I get people want to be homers, but there's gotta be some question marks with him and there's some fairly big ones, too.
Skip Bayless
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I see two issues that will bite him in the ass and probably get the room to turn against him at some point :
1 - Inconsistent messaging; He says his team is out of gas and when asked about the bad starts during a winning streak, he diffuses the question and boasts about how they were able to adjust after the 1st or 2nd period. Same thing when asked about a loss, never answers about what needs to be addressed, but talks about that 10 min. sequence in which they played well.
Only then, when they finally lose, the "This is unacceptable." speech comes out and it's time to actually coach.
It's like -- Brother, you don't need your team to get destroyed to finally set things straight.
2 - He's stubborn with certain inconsequential things, like keeping the winning lineup intact, even when injured players come back.
But then, he is super passive towards things that seriously hinder the team, like when collective bad habits creep in, or vets who make careless mistakes (their ice time is guaranteed based on seniority). It's not until the 5th loss in a row that he takes action.
It's like he's figuring out his boundaries and what he truly stands for as a manager...but it might also cost him the confidence of certain players. His decision making seems to be based around "Let me pick the option that wont make me have to make a decision for as long as I can."
1 - Inconsistent messaging; He says his team is out of gas and when asked about the bad starts during a winning streak, he diffuses the question and boasts about how they were able to adjust after the 1st or 2nd period. Same thing when asked about a loss, never answers about what needs to be addressed, but talks about that 10 min. sequence in which they played well.
Only then, when they finally lose, the "This is unacceptable." speech comes out and it's time to actually coach.
It's like -- Brother, you don't need your team to get destroyed to finally set things straight.
2 - He's stubborn with certain inconsequential things, like keeping the winning lineup intact, even when injured players come back.
But then, he is super passive towards things that seriously hinder the team, like when collective bad habits creep in, or vets who make careless mistakes (their ice time is guaranteed based on seniority). It's not until the 5th loss in a row that he takes action.
It's like he's figuring out his boundaries and what he truly stands for as a manager...but it might also cost him the confidence of certain players. His decision making seems to be based around "Let me pick the option that wont make me have to make a decision for as long as I can."
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HabsAddict
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SMarty is playing Pezz to add second rste toughness...but sits the toughest guy in the league...by miles. Never mind ZERO points and talent.
Heiny and X contribute more then ZERO talent Pezz and The Boat Anchor. We're FAR more likely to get a goal/assist by Heiny/X the the other two.
Heiny and X contribute more then ZERO talent Pezz and The Boat Anchor. We're FAR more likely to get a goal/assist by Heiny/X the the other two.
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It's fairly obvious Heineman isn't close to 100% and hasn't been since he got hit by a freaking car. You guys don't have any insider knowledge of how that injury has healed, if he reaggravated it, if he's banged up with something else etc.
The real problem here is we don't have enough depth yet. In a perfect world there would be a much better player than Pezz ready to slot into the lineup. The kids in the AHL are too young and they're not going to expose any vets to waivers. Next year I'm sure there's going to be much better depth after we go shopping in FA.
The real problem here is we don't have enough depth yet. In a perfect world there would be a much better player than Pezz ready to slot into the lineup. The kids in the AHL are too young and they're not going to expose any vets to waivers. Next year I'm sure there's going to be much better depth after we go shopping in FA.
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The roster is weak and he has them over-achieving. That’s good coaching.
We weren’t expected to win points at this pt%. I think it’s only fair and fine to support him seeing out the season at his leisure and with his judgements.
Next year will bring a different roster and different expectations and standards. I don’t like seeing vets get away with bad play either but this is a run to get into an unlikely wildcard spot, the time for accountability and tinkering was earlier.
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It was smart to hang onto him. He’s logged a lot of minutes for us. Gaffes or not he’s still done a good job, provides depth and his value is still high.
I don’t expect him back next year.
I don't really see a single area where he's done a good job this year except for maybe penalty killing. Otherwise he's gotten dominated in his role.
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