The Martin St Louis Thread

[le_sean]

If you can't see that both those corps of D you listed are vastly better than what we iced tonight, then I don't know what to tell you. Despite the fact that they weren't that great to begin with actually shows you just how bad our current iteration is.

Sure, the coach is great. Eat up his proverbs.

 

[Apoplectic Habs Fan]

Who cares about coaching

We have concepts baby

 

[Yep]

This thread...

 

[sampollock]

Time for MSL to put the big boy pants on

 

[HabbyGuy]

Sure, the coach is great. Eat up his proverbs.

 

[Apoplectic Habs Fan]

Time for MSL to put the big boy pants on

He is a developing as a coach

He called a timeout lol

They were down 4 and lost the game already but those are Marty steps

 

[1909]

That team was ready to play tonight !!!! Oh boy !

 

[LyricalLyricist]

I don't expect Marty to be fired, he'll eventually step down or be promoted to some invented job in the organization. I'll just keep my fingers crossed that Boston keeps losing. This will be a repeat of when Julien became available, it being the final nail in the Therrien coffin. If Montgomery is available Hughes pulls the trigger quickly.

If Hughes saves him we’re in an old boys club all over again, probably worse. Guy never coached a pro game before us and if they find excuses to keep him around when shit hits the fan it’s beyond any sense of logic.

I don’t think he’ll get fired yet, just saying he better not be promoted.

 

[1909]

Too much of a Mr Nice guy
The honeymoon is over it's time to lay the lumber

I don’t thing MSL can be anything more than Mr Nice guy. He would be better fit to ne asst-coach in charge of PP…maybe.

 

[shenmue16]

It's really bizarre how quickly things can unravel for them and how seemingly helpless the team comes across at times. That last period against the flyers was sloppy and almost a loss despite leading 4-1. That bled right into this game and they just never were able to get up and running. You really have to rally the troops and get them firing to get back into the game, but it just never happened. You can win a game that is 4-1 in the first period, but you've got to fix the issue immediately. MSL just doesn't have whatever they need and I don't think he can realistically be a long term solution, I think that he's just a stopgap. It would just be nice to have a little bit of maturity and grace, and that press conference a few days ago convinced me that he really has no place as an NHL head coach.

 

[Miller Time]

Are we not allowed to critique him? I don’t understand. I’ve seen Habs teams whose #1 defenceman was Patrice Brisebois look far better defensively. What we are seeing is not normal.

A piss poor critique is a piss poor critique... That it's directed at MSL is irrelevant.

MSL isn't beyond reproach, and, clueless rants about each loss are well deserving of deep reproach.

Pretty simple, no?

 

[Habby4Life]

... and why would you think they would be better? They would have to show they are better and want to do it. They all could end up being worse.

Worse, not a snowballs chance in hell.
Every single one of them is better.

 

[HabsAddict]

The team was totally unprepared tonight.

Kraken came in on overdrive, we just showed up and looked like an AHL team.

 

[Hannibal]

I don’t know how some here can still defend MSL.

The guy aint a HC.

 

[RationalExpectations]

When your coach is claiming he has overcome critics after 2 wins against two teams playing poorly, that's plain arrogance. From management to coaching they are behaving as if they had won anything at their current position, they have not. MSL was a great player but great players don't always make great coaches.

 

[ReHabs]

When your coach is claiming he has overcome critics after 2 wins against two teams playing poorly, that's plain arrogance. From management to coaching they are behaving as if they had won anything at their current position, they have not. MSL was a great player but great players don't always make great coaches.

0 playoff appearances
0 playoff series wins
0 regular season pt records above .500%

"overcome critics" my ass

By the way -- anyone else tired of "intangibles" and "leadership" talk?

Not blaming anything on Suzuki, not a single thing, but we see how fleeting it is, don't we? It's all BS. 100% BS.

Team Culture is a thing, spirit is a thing, but individual "leadership" and keeping players "for their intangibles" and "to mentor the young ones" is 100000% bullshit. It was bullshit when it was meant to prop up a second-class Saku Koivu and it was bullshit when it was used to fluff up a declining Shea Weber and it's bullshit today. 10000000000% bullshit. Suzuki cannot make his teammates come ready and play with focus, that is the job of nobody but the players themselves.

Every individual player is responsible for his effort and the coach is responsible for setting the tone and expectations of the roster. Team Culture. The Habs had a country club where losses didn't matter and now they're trying, and failing, to implement accountability. Tankophiles thought it was a flip of a switch, so we'll see if by the end of the season this team understands how precious and important it is to show up to play. I doubt it. Low-effort low-impact players need to be shifted out and high-effort players need to replace them (low-effort high-impact players like snipers and danglers are fine; team culture is made up in aggregate).

Games are more fun when you win, they're 100x more fun when you win playoff games... these losers, as a squad, have no idea what it's like to win. That's called a Losing Culture. Ask Buffalo fans what it's like.

 

[RationalExpectations]

0 playoff appearances
0 playoff series wins
0 regular season pt records above .500%

"overcome critics" my ass

By the way -- anyone else tired of "intangibles" and "leadership" talk?

Not blaming anything on Suzuki, not a single thing, but we see how fleeting it is, don't we? It's all BS. 100% BS.

It is communication, like in politics, people have started to focus on managers saying the right words rather than doing the right things.

 

[nhlfan9191]

A piss poor critique is a piss poor critique... That it's directed at MSL is irrelevant.

MSL isn't beyond reproach, and, clueless rants about each loss are well deserving of deep reproach.

Pretty simple, no?

He stinks as a coach. There’s not much more to say about him right now.

 

[RationalExpectations]

He stinks as a coach. There’s not much more to say about him right now.

Who are you to criticize Marty the Great ? he who would not ask you for advice

As a coach, he has lead countless teams to unlikely playoff runs and has multiple SCs to his name oh wait...

 

[ReHabs]

It is communication, like in politics, people have started to focus on managers saying the right words rather than doing the right things.

We as fans see the performances, the results, and the fan-directed statements. I have no clue what he's like in the room and can't comment on his coaching. I think it's also a team culture thing -- they were perfectly fine with losing, and they didn't even lose right (remember Monty, Belzile, and Pezz stealing points during the Bedard tank?) and now we see that it's not so easy to turn things around.

 

[RationalExpectations]

We as fans see the performances, the results, and the fan-directed statements. I have no clue what he's like in the room and can't comment on his coaching. I think it's also a team culture thing -- they were perfectly fine with losing, and they didn't even lose right (remember Monty, Belzile, and Pezz stealing points during the Bedard tank?) and now we see that it's not so easy to turn things around.

I think that's why you and I were for a rebuild but against a prolonged full tanking mentality. Several fans here are fine with losing 2/3 additional years but in my opinion, looking at BUF, ANA, SJS, DET... there is no guarantee how long it will last to win again...

 

[Miller Time]

He stinks as a coach. There’s not much more to say about him right now.

Then do us a favor & stop saying anything about him

 

[Miller Time]

I think that's why you and I were for a rebuild but against a prolonged full tanking mentality. Several fans here are fine with losing 2/3 additional years but in my opinion, looking at BUF, ANA, SJS, DET... there is no guarantee how long it will last to win again...

Not sure how valid this oft repeated narrative is...

Panthers, Bolts, Pens, Blackhawks, Kings... All franchises that had significant cup contention windows (& cup wins) after years of being bottom tier teams for a long time.

We're on season 4 since the cup finals appearance (that Suzuki & CC both experienced).... Season 3 since the actual rebuild.

I get patience is difficult for fans, but from the pov of building a contender, considering the state of the roster & org depth chart at Rock bottom, we're doing just fine.

There's never a guarantee to win. Being patient as we meticulously put the pieces in place to build a big contention window isn't for everyone. Supporting that kind of approach doesn't mean being "fine with losing"...

 

[nhlfan9191]

Then do us a favor & stop saying anything about him

I don’t think me not talking about him is doing anyone any favours. He was a breath of fresh air when he came in compared to the dinosaurs we had been running with. But even if this team is young and filled with a bunch of has-beens, they’re still capable of playing structured hockey. I don’t care if they lose, it’s how they’re losing that’s concerning. Taking a step back several years into a rebuild shouldn’t be happening. That’s how you build a losing culture.

 

[RationalExpectations]

Not sure how valid this oft repeated narrative is...

Panthers, Bolts, Pens, Blackhawks, Kings... All franchises that had significant cup contention windows (& cup wins) after years of being bottom tier teams for a long time.

We're on season 4 since the cup finals appearance (that Suzuki & CC both experienced).... Season 3 since the actual rebuild.

I get patience is difficult for fans, but from the pov of building a contender, considering the state of the roster & org depth chart at Rock bottom, we're doing just fine.

There's never a guarantee to win. Being patient as we meticulously put the pieces in place to build a big contention window isn't for everyone. Supporting that kind of approach doesn't mean being "fine with losing"...

Suzuki D+8, CC, Dach Newhook D+6, Slaf should be top 6 in his D+3, Guhle Barron Xhekaj D+5, Matheson, Savard seasoned veterans.

If this core does not make the playoff when they are entering their prime maybe it is not the right core.

The teams you mentioned above took time to win the cup (more or less if you look at CHI or PIT once their 1C was drafted) but were quite quickly in the playoffs.