HF Habs: The Martin Saint-Louis thread: Winning Streak Edition

[teamfirst]

The ironic part is that MSL is criticized for using a man on man d-zone coverage which inherently makes the LD/RD not that important since the D will end up switching sides tons of times anyways.

Not before we are stuck in our zone, still has to play on his off side most of the time,

What is really ironic is people finding all kind of excuses to justify playing the rookie on his off side over the guy who's been in the league for 8 years, there is no logical reason to do that.

 

[Rapala]

The ironic part is that MSL is criticized for using a man on man d-zone coverage which inherently makes the LD/RD not that important since the D will end up switching sides tons of times anyways.

Which is part of the f***ing problem. A big part.

 

[Mrb1p]

MSL sux

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Montreal fans: “I want a rebuild!”

Also Montreal fans: “Why aren’t we winning yet?”

 

[Rapala]

Montreal fans: “I want a rebuild!”

Also Montreal fans: “Why aren’t we winning yet?”

Is this thread about MSL or Montreal Canadiens Fans?
God help us if (some) are critical of (some) of his coaching traits.

I'll give him credit where credit is due .
He talked about the PP a number of months ago.
He stated clearly it wasn't something they had worked on and would start doing so.
The results are encouraging.

At some point he's going to have to do the same with the defensive side of the game.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Is this thread about MSL or Montreal Canadiens Fans?
God help us if (some) are critical of (some) of his coaching traits.

A message board works both ways bud.

By all means, criticize him. But be ready to have your posts criticized in kind.

So far in this thread I've learned that

- We're catering to Matheson
- All of our players have regressed
- Slaf is developing on his own without coaching help
- Joshua Roy isn't getting enough ice time
- We need to use the old defensive system
- MSL is to blame for Caufield's shooting percentage
- We need to bring in Jacques Martin

I'm not sure what to say. Our lineup is a disaster and designed to lose. It's like you're unhappy with the direction that the tire fire is burning.

 

[Sorinth]

Not before we are stuck in our zone, still has to play on his off side most of the time,

What is really ironic is people finding all kind of excuses to justify playing the rookie on his off side over the guy who's been in the league for 8 years, there is no logical reason to do that.

Well in the offensive zone playing on your off side is usually an advantage, and Guhle played a lot of RD in juniors so is no doubt quite comfortable there. But I guess that's just more excuses right?

If anything it feels like people are trying to find excuses for criticizing MSL.

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

One thing to note for people critical of our defensive structure, our D are being coached by an undersized defenseman who was drafted in the 7th round that ended up being a very solid defenseman who was playing 25 minutes a game in his prime due to being such a smart player.

We don't have a chain smoking bozo like Therrien coaching our D, so I'd give Robidas the benefit of the doubt to trust what he's doing with our younger D and that he is working with them to help them in the long-run rather than stunting their development for more success in the short-term.

 

[teamfirst]

Well in the offensive zone playing on your off side is usually an advantage, and Guhle played a lot of RD in juniors so is no doubt quite comfortable there. But I guess that's just more excuses right?

If anything it feels like people are trying to find excuses for criticizing MSL.

If it's such an advantage why dont we see it more often, he doesn't seem so confortable to me but hey i could be wrong.....could you.

If anything it feels like some are getting very annoyed when others are questioning certain aspect of MSL coaching in his OWN thread on a hockey message board.....quite strange if you ask me.

And the perfect definition of irony cuz they probably be the first to bring those same points if it was done by any of the previous coach we had

 

[teamfirst]

One thing to note for people critical of our defensive structure, our D are being coached by an undersized defenseman who was drafted in the 7th round that ended up being a very solid defenseman who was playing 25 minutes a game in his prime due to being such a smart player.

We don't have a chain smoking bozo like Therrien coaching our D, so I'd give Robidas the benefit of the doubt to trust what he's doing with our younger D and that he is working with them to help them in the long-run rather than stunting their development for more success in the short-term.

Quite strange that lots of you always bring back MT in the conversation, the guy's gone for what......7-8 years now, this thread is about MSL i think

 

[teamfirst]

By all means, criticize him. But be ready to have your posts criticized in kind.

And liked-approuved in kind too, and yours criticize in kind as well.......geez, perfect description of whar disussion is all about

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Quite strange that lots of you always bring back MT in the conversation, the guy's gone for what......7-8 years now, this thread is about MSL i think

Not strange at all.

We had Godawful coaching for so long. That's why it's so interesting to see some of the criticisms here on a coach who's been infinitely better.

 

[Sorinth]

If it's such an advantage why dont we see it more often, he doesn't seem so confortable to me but hey i could be wrong.....could you.

If anything it feels like some are getting very annoyed when others are questioning certain aspect of MSL coaching in his OWN thread on a hockey message board.....quite strange if you ask me.

And the perfect definition of irony cuz they probably be the first to bring those same points if it was done by any of the previous coach we had

See what more often, D playing their off side? It happens all the time.

Also I'm not annoyed people question MSL coaching decisions, there's plenty of decisions I don't agree with but the idea that it's strange that not everyone agrees with every criticism levelled his way says a lot about you. Like can you not believe people have different opinions, does everything have to be a conspiracy?

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

Quite strange that lots of you always bring back MT in the conversation, the guy's gone for what......7-8 years now, this thread is about MSL i think

The point is for years we were stuck with recycled coaches with the same dinosaur mindset who were focused on winning and would rely on veterans and goaltending to win games, while benching younger players for any mistakes they made.

Once Price was done, this "strategy" fell apart since he wasn't around anymore to cover the shitty rosters we had and due to the lack of development we had minimal young players still around to be considered part of the future.

Our new management and coaches have a completely different philosophy and have shown willingness to live with players mistakes in the short-term in the hopes of it'll pay off in the longer run. Despite this, people aren't happy because we aren't winning games.

Our management can bring in more veterans and our coaches could cater to playing the veterans more for the sake of winning a few more games, however HuGo and company are being patient and looking to the long-term to make a team that can be a potential contender rather than doing a half-assed retool and trying to assemble a team who can squeak into the playoffs in the near future.

 

[teamfirst]

Not strange at all.

We had Godawful coaching for so long. That's why it's so interesting to see some of the criticisms here on a coach who's been infinitely better.

But nobody here is comparing the two, have you seen one post saying we shoild have MT unstead of MSL.......i sure havn't

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

But nobody here is comparing the two, have you seen one post saying we shoild have MT unstead of MSL.......i sure havn't

If you haven’t seen a post in it, why are you addressing it?

And, yes it absolutely makes sense to compare where we were then vs where we are today. We would you think it’s not relevant?

MSL is good or bad relative to other coaches just like any coach. If you evaluate a coach you’re going to do it comparatively.

 

[teamfirst]

See what more often, D playing their off side? It happens all the time.

Also I'm not annoyed people question MSL coaching decisions, there's plenty of decisions I don't agree with but the idea that it's strange that not everyone agrees with every criticism levelled his way says a lot about you. Like can you not believe people have different opinions, does everything have to be a conspiracy?

Wow, can you find one post that would suggest the bolded, empty talk again

 

[teamfirst]

If you haven’t seen a post in it, why are you addressing it?

Comprehension problem maybe......tought it was obvious i was talking about people who bring some valid points on what they don't like about MSL coaching not using MT as a comparaison so why using him to counter those valid point......more clear now

I find it strange that after 8 years he is gone people still use a comparaison between him and MT to say we have a good coach, it's like saying we have Jake Evans as our number 1 C .....hey guy's he's alot better thamd DD back then so no need to cricize him

But hey feel free to bring him back in the conversation and i'm gonna keep on thinking it's strange

And, yes it absolutely makes sense to compare where we were then vs where we are today. We would you think it’s not relevant?

MSL is good or bad relative to other coaches just like any coach. If you evaluate a coach you’re going to do it comparatively.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Comprehension problem maybe......tought it was obvious i was talking about people who bring some valid points on what they don't like about MSL coaching not using MT as a comparaison so why using him to counter those valid point......more clear now

I find it strange that after 8 years he is gone people still use a comparaison between him and MT to say we have a good coach, it's like saying we have Jake Evans as our number 1 C .....hey guy's he's alot better thamd DD back then so no need to cricize him

But hey feel free to bring him back in the conversation and i'm gonna keep on thinking it's strange

Not strange at all to compare previous coaches to present ones.

 

[JianYang]

Montreal fans: “I want a rebuild!”

Also Montreal fans: “Why aren’t we winning

Build the base of players, worry about systems later.... not the other way around.

I suspect alot of the same characters complaining about the system would also be mad if they were Tortorella'd into defence and being a middling team in the league

 

[Heffyhoof]

I've whined about it twice already but his thread is more relevant. In the span of about 10-15 seconds, I watched the Lightning players skate in patterns that have our stupid man-on-man defence players running into each other not once, but twice.

Surprise surprise, but it's not just us HFers that see how stupid Marty's defensive zone plan is, other teams actually game plan with it in mind. Normally teams use pick plays to interrupt defensive coverage by getting in the way of players, but because Marty is the greatest coach ever, they can now use our own players as a pick play and take out two players from the play.

Edit: Another form of his useless coaching was that I witnessed a 1 minute+ defensive zone play wherein our players ended up in a vague pentagon form multiple times and at least 3 of those times Guhle was the tip of the pentagon. One of our defencemen was chasing his man 3+times in a single shift at the blue line as the most forward player.

 

[Beer and Chips]

They aren't going to replace MSL but at least they should replace the assistants this summer, good god.

 

[Vachon23]

They aren't going to replace MSL but at least they should replace the assistants this summer, good god.

I would at least change Letowski by a career coach. Burrows and Robidas can stay

 

[teamfirst]

They aren't going to replace MSL but at least they should replace the assistants this summer, good god.

Not so sure about that, next season is the last one of his 3 years deal, we better see some improvement in our own zone and the PK and the consistancy or else i dont see them giving him another 3 or 5 year deal.

And being the head coach also mean you oversee the work of the assistant coach so their wrong doing is also MSL wrong doing, at the end of the day he is the man in charge that's the reason he's paid 10 times more then them

 

[The Real Timo]

They aren't going to replace MSL but at least they should replace the assistants this summer, good god.

They SHOULD replace St. Louis. I think going into next season structure needs to be introduced back into this team.