The Loss of Broberg and Holloway Gripe Thread

[Heavy Dee]

Or … as you posted above the kid allowed himself to be manipulated over 500K x 2. That leads me to believe that he didn’t want to be here either and all his feigned surprise and crocodile tears after the fact was nothing but an act. Bottom line, these players put pen to paper at the worst possible moment for the Oilers. Some ‘fans’ here want to cheer the Blues initiative and their read on ‘the changing market’ ( ). Other fans understand that teammates trying to win the ultimate prize would take a very dim view of their selfishness - especially Holloway because the money is peanuts compared to a NHL players career earnings.

What an awful take.

If Holloway was your son or client, you wouldn't advise him to take the Blues offer, especially after how he was treated?

Oh, and he obviously made the right choice.

 

[MessierII]

What an awful take.

If Holloway was your son or client, you wouldn't advise him to take the Blues offer, especially after how he was treated?

Oh, and he obviously made the right choice.

Maybe, maybe not. Taking a one year here might actually made him more money between this year and next. It’s working out great for them personally but there’s no way to say he couldn’t have had a similar level of production here.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Maybe, maybe not. Taking a one year here might actually made him more money between this year and next. It’s working out great for them personally but there’s no way to say he couldn’t have had a similar level of production here.

But what he did have here vs there, was a 1.2M offer, which is low for his playoff performance. The Oilers need to stop asking their young guys to leave money on the table when they aren't being especially forthcoming with opportunities.

 

[MessierII]

But what he did have here vs there, was a 1.2M offer, which is low for his playoff performance. The Oilers need to stop asking their young guys to leave money on the table when they aren't being especially forthcoming with opportunities.

I’m gonna completely disagree with you on that. That’s exactly in line with what he achieved at the time. He had 7 points in 25 games in the playoffs.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

You take so much glee in the Oilers failings. You are such a troll. Can't wait for you to follow Skinner to whatever ECHL team he ends up on then you can leave this board alone.

just can't help but bring Skinner into every thread eh? that's a major problem

 

[MessierII]

just can't help but bring Skinner into every thread eh? that's a major problem

Skinner has caused this board to collectively lose their minds. You can barely talk any actual hockey anymore.

 

[ManofSteel55]

I’m gonna completely disagree with you on that. That’s exactly in line with what he achieved at the time. He had 7 points in 25 games in the playoffs.

1.2M is low for first round pick prospects. It was essentially his qualifying offer, meaning he would have received that just for being good enough to keep around. 7 points in 25 playoff games for a rookie, who spent a lot of his time in the bottom six, is good enough for more than a minimum possible raise.

 

[MessierII]

1.2M is low for first round pick prospects. It was essentially his qualifying offer, meaning he would have received that just for being good enough to keep around. 7 points in 25 playoff games for a rookie, who spent a lot of his time in the bottom six, is good enough for more than a minimum possible raise.

Disagree man. For his track record at the time that’s completely in line. He had 18 points in 89 career regular season games and 7 points in 25 playoff games.

There’s no comparable of a player getting close to 2 million dollars with those kind of stats. Just doesn’t happen. Blues took a calculated risk and hit the jackpot but make no mistake it was a risk.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

This team just loves to flush away assets. We're not even talking about how McLeod and Foegele are also doing reasonably well with their new teams.

This was a generational blunder. Essentially dealt two firsts for a 2nd and a 3rd. I think of that joke/tale/whatever about the person who traded a loonie for two quarters and thought they got ahead because they had more coins, then traded the two quarters for 3 dimes, and that for 4 nickels, and that for 5 pennies.

That's the Oilers in a nutshell.

 

[Stoneman89]

Okay Holloway, we get the picture. Now quit scoring f***ing goals!

 

[Stoneman89]

This team just loves to flush away assets. We're not even talking about how McLeod and Foegele are also doing reasonably well with their new teams.

This was a generational blunder. Essentially dealt two firsts for a 2nd and a 3rd. I think of that joke/tale/whatever about the person who traded a loonie for two quarters and thought they got ahead because they had more coins, then traded the two quarters for 3 dimes, and that for 4 nickels, and that for 5 pennies.

That's the Oilers in a nutshell.

And it's not just the two 1sts. It's the anguish of enduring 2 shitty seasons of obtaining them, followed by several years of development. A whole lot of blood sweat and tears flushed away in one off season. Then, you look at the shit seasons we had to endure to get Hall, Yak, Pajaarvi and Puljujarvi, and more wasted development years of them as well, with Hall being best of the bunch and then moving him for one good season of Adam Larsson, and then ultimately, nothing. The level of incompetence can really only be matched by Buffalo.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

And it's not just the two 1sts. It's the anguish of enduring 2 shitty seasons of obtaining them, followed by several years of development. A whole lot of blood sweat and tears flushed away in one off season. Then, you look at the shit seasons we had to endure to get Hall, Yak, Pajaarvi and Puljujarvi, and more wasted development years of them as well, with Hall being best of the bunch and then moving him for one good season of Adam Larsson, and then ultimately, nothing. The level of incompetence can really only be matched by Buffalo.

100% agreed. Asset management is just another thing this org struggles with. Food for thought, Eberle was the only thing of value that came out of the Pronger trade and Eberle himself eventually became nothing. Hall also eventually became nothing. This wouldn't hurt so much if they weren't scouring the league for top 6 wingers for about the 8th year in a row. For ten years of missing the playoffs, we have all of four players to show for it: RNH, Nurse, Drai, McDavid. Granted they're good players but that's still a pathetically low number of roster players for 10 years worth of suffering. And now we have absolutely nothing to show from any of the Holland drafts.

Even this year, I remember people losing their minds when we got Emberson for Ceci as if it was some sort of coup and now that player isn't even a roster regular player right now. Savoie can't crack the lineup (time will tell how this turns out)...

The loss of Holloway and Broberg wouldn't be so bad if this team could draft worth a damn but our best prospects were drafted by other teams.

My concern right now is Ekholm looks like he's starting to lose it a bit and there's really nobody around to adequately replace him. Broberg might not have been that guy but I'd rather have him than not.

Without McDavid this team is completely lost in the desert with no light at the end of the tunnel.

 

[Heavy Dee]

Maybe, maybe not. Taking a one year here might actually made him more money between this year and next. It’s working out great for them personally but there’s no way to say he couldn’t have had a similar level of production here.

He said himself in a podcast that the impression he got from Jackson was that he wasn't going to get the opportunity in the top 6 that he was looking for.

 

[Arty Spooners Bsmnt]

He said himself in a podcast that the impression he got from Jackson was that he wasn't going to get the opportunity in the top 6 that he was looking for.

It's amazing how they would think that Holloway shouldn't get a top six chance considering who they got that did get that chance.

 

[McShogun99]

It's amazing how they would think that Holloway shouldn't get a top six chance considering who they got that did get that chance.

The Blues almost did us a favor if we matched that offer sheet. If Holloway signed a 1 year deal with us for cheap and had a breakout year then he’d be looking at a similar deal to Wyatt Johnston. If Holloway is scoring 70 points with Schenn as his center it wouldn’t be impossible that he scores 80+ next to Draisaitl and some PP time. He would have been the perfect player to replace Hyman.

 

[Drivesaitl]

But what he did have here vs there, was a 1.2M offer, which is low for his playoff performance. The Oilers need to stop asking their young guys to leave money on the table when they aren't being especially forthcoming with opportunities.

Yep. So many people in the offseason marvel at all these Kmart players the Oilers pile up for on the cheap, and org wants most of the roster on the cheap, and then you have games like last night where the sticker price seems to match what you're getting on the ice. I feel for guys like Corey Perry that really try to make it work here but are years past being able to do anymore. But there are a lot of players that shouldn't even be here.

The org has an arrogance that young players should want to play here more than anywhere else. That old thinking that Lowe had, its still here.

 

[aggressive forecheck]

The Blues almost did us a favor if we matched that offer sheet. If Holloway signed a 1 year deal with us for cheap and had a breakout year then he’d be looking at a similar deal to Wyatt Johnston. If Holloway is scoring 70 points with Schenn as his center it wouldn’t be impossible that he scores 80+ next to Draisaitl and some PP time. He would have been the perfect player to replace Hyman.

I'd take Holloway and Broberg over Hyman and Bouchard. Let's see if St. Louis will make that deal.

Some posters don't understand how franchise crippling this is. Makes a poster mad enough to be involuntary forced to donate to the karmic swear jar. hahaha

 

[Soundwave]

The reason the Oilers keep trying to force younger players to take peanuts on their ELC years is because they spend their cap stupidly.

$3.25 million in dead cap bonus for Connor Brown, many people on this board thought that was a great idea and "who cares about next year!". Welp.

That said I don't think it's a given these guys would be performing the same way here. There is coaching bias towards certain players and McDavid/Drai are not as easy to play with as it's made out to be. Foegele is scoring more with Danault in LA than with Draisaitl in Edmonton. You get a short leash here, some players get almost no leash in being paired with those guys.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Yep. So many people in the offseason marvel at all these Kmart players the Oilers pile up for on the cheap, and org wants most of the roster on the cheap, and then you have games like last night where the sticker price seems to match what you're getting on the ice. I feel for guys like Corey Perry that really try to make it work here but are years past being able to do anymore. But there are a lot of players that shouldn't even be here.

The org has an arrogance that young players should want to play here more than anywhere else. That old thinking that Lowe had, its still here.

Considering how long we couldn't get anyone but young kids to come here, there is no reason to have that arrogance, yet there it is.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Considering how long we couldn't get anyone but young kids to come here, there is no reason to have that arrogance, yet there it is.

They say that success corrupts and it sure seemed to with a lot of our players that went on to run this org into the ground. Lowe really is insufferable and not just on TV. Unfortunately hes like that. If theres a camera around at a charity function or something he acts nice. If its at the Royal Glenora Club he's caustic to all around. Treats service like minions. That kind of guy. MacT is at least a nice person. He'll come over and talk to people and its genuine. Sather was a flat out jerk, everybody knows that.

The arrogance of this org that seems to never really end has its roots in the success of the 80's.

Really I prefer the young kids coming here. Not sure what it is, I love Drai, McD, and the core of the club. But this club other than that is so much like the vet laden teams that were in Dallas in precap days. Somehow I just don't like that. Never really liked these loaded up vets teams. Not my preference. you need a mix, you need youth and you need mid 20's players. They have to be in a lineup. I like a team to be good because its management is savvy and picking up and raising gems. Not an org that just spends like drunk sailors throwing money without any plan.

 

[MessierThanThou]

The reason the Oilers keep trying to force younger players to take peanuts on their ELC years is because they spend their cap stupidly.

$3.25 million in dead cap bonus for Connor Brown, many people on this board thought that was a great idea and "who cares about next year!". Welp.

That said I don't think it's a given these guys would be performing the same way here. There is coaching bias towards certain players and McDavid/Drai are not as easy to play with as it's made out to be. Foegele is scoring more with Danault in LA than with Draisaitl in Edmonton. You get a short leash here, some players get almost no leash in being paired with those guys.

The level of stupidity here is truly astounding. I've had flamewars with people who jumped on me because I said the Klingberg signing was dumb, going to be as bad as Connor Brown's signing, and was anything but "free," and now we can't even afford to call up Savoie because of it...and when we acquired Sam Carrick I said that it was a pointless move and he would be watching the playoffs from the press box (and I was right), but I even got dogpiled by mouthbreathers on here for saying THAT!

And about 50% of this board thought we were fine in net on deadline day, including a few people who routinely bashed Skinner before and after that day... Not to mention that one time every month when Skinner plays well, or Pickard shits the bed, and you get swarms of Moustache cultists gloating. They might not post every day, but the idiots are here, they are lurking, and there are many.

 

[MessierThanThou]

Skinner has caused this board to collectively lose their minds. You can barely talk any actual hockey anymore.

When he's a big reason why we've lost more than a handful of games, I'd say he's a worthy topic of discussion. But you and the other Moustache Cultists love seeing this team lose so he can stay in net. I hope you at least get to see him at the family gatherings!

 

[McFlash97]

This team had hope. Holloway and Savoie were that hope. All they needed was to match Holloway and we would be looking at the second wave of impact young forwards to push McDrai along. Right now they have Podnogoalszin riding shotgun and Savoie getting just a 4 game tryout then sent back.

Even 1 player the calibre of Holloway would have made a world of difference at pushing the pace speed and physicality.

They are missing exhuberance. The McDrai era is comming to a painful close. As they eventually age out. Were fxxxx. Im putting money on these clowns to use Savoie as a trade bait in the offseason. Dumb and dumber

 

[aggressive forecheck]

This team had hope. Holloway and Savoie were that hope. All they needed was to match Holloway and we would be looking at the second wave of impact young forwards to push McDrai along. Right now they have Podnogoalszin riding shotgun and Savoie getting just a 4 game tryout then sent back.

Even 1 player the calibre of Holloway would have made a world of difference at pushing the pace speed and physicality.

They are missing exhuberance. The McDrai era is comming to a painful close. As they eventually age out. Were fxxxx. Im putting money on these clowns to use Savoie as a trade bait in the offseason. Dumb and dumber

Watch the career of Broberg over the next dozen years.

 

[McShogun99]

Watch the career of Broberg over the next dozen years.

Even before Ekholm when he was paired with Bouchard for a brief stint you could see that those two had the potential to be our top pairing for years.