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Ianturnedbull said:
Haha.

I went to a better source. The dark web and Mustang forums are much better for referee conspiracies.
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This isn’t some crazy conspiracy lol.

I went through all 13 games from yesterday. Only 2/13 have one team with an advantage of 2 or more power plays.

All 11 other games were within 1 penalty.

We all know this is the case lol.
 
Ianturnedbull said:
Haha.

I went to a better source. The dark web and Mustang forums are much better for referee conspiracies.
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It's not a conspiracy dude. NHL refereeing has certain biases and patterns (not rigged for or against specific teams, just patterns) that fall into the basket known as "game management." They're empirically proven to exist.

That this offends you and runs contrary to your experience reffing coed college intramurals doesn't change observable fact.
 
Ever since Kerry Fraser allowed Gretzky to high stick Gilmour, the stats have been as factual as they come.

;)
 
BayStBullies said:
The last 5 Stanley Cup winners are all in the top right box.
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Anyone else notice that the chart is from the 18/19 season?

The winner that year was clearly in the 'disciplined' area, with only six teams taking fewer penalties.
 
4thline said:
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Or for an even longer time range, a decade worth of seasons (2010-2020):



It's an almost perfect 1:1 correlation. Of course this isn't a perfect analysis - it could be that when one team is chippy, they piss off the other team and draw them into being chippy too. But that SFU paper you linked is a much more thorough analysis, it shows that there a major bias that's almost completely explained by both the state of penalties in the game (e.g. if team A has taken 3, team B none, high chance the next penalty goes to team B), as well as the score.

Also ... I don't get how anyone can watch a lot of NHL games and not notice the game management, it's incredibly obvious. Not that they always trade off 1 for 1, but once one team has 2 penalties and the other none, or especially if one team has 3 penalties and the other none, the team with more penalties can get away with absolute murder, while the team with none will get called for the most insanely mild infraction. Happens constantly, in an extremely obvious way.
 
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Jamason said:
Anyone else notice that the chart is from the 18/19 season?

The winner that year was clearly in the 'disciplined' area, with only six teams taking fewer penalties.
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What???? People are coming at me in this thread over 2018's referee conspiracies!!!!????
 
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ponder said:
Or for an even longer time range, a decade worth of seasons (2010-2020):



It's an almost perfect 1:1 correlation. Of course this isn't a perfect analysis - it could be that when one team is chippy, they piss off the other team and draw them into being chippy too. But that SFU paper you linked is a much more thorough analysis, it shows that there a major bias that's almost completely explained by both the state of penalties in the game (e.g. if team A has taken 3, team B none, high chance the next penalty goes to team B), as well as the score.

Also ... I don't get how anyone can watch a lot of NHL games and not notice the game management, it's incredibly obvious. Not that they always trade off 1 for 1, but once one team has 2 penalties and the other none, or especially if one team has 3 penalties and the other none, the team with more penalties can get away with absolute murder, while the team with none will get called for the most insanely mild infraction. Happens constantly, in an extremely obvious way.
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"Obvious" is subjective.
 
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ponder said:
Or for an even longer time range, a decade worth of seasons (2010-2020):



It's an almost perfect 1:1 correlation. Of course this isn't a perfect analysis - it could be that when one team is chippy, they piss off the other team and draw them into being chippy too. But that SFU paper you linked is a much more thorough analysis, it shows that there a major bias that's almost completely explained by both the state of penalties in the game (e.g. if team A has taken 3, team B none, high chance the next penalty goes to team B), as well as the score.

Also ... I don't get how anyone can watch a lot of NHL games and not notice the game management, it's incredibly obvious. Not that they always trade off 1 for 1, but once one team has 2 penalties and the other none, or especially if one team has 3 penalties and the other none, the team with more penalties can get away with absolute murder, while the team with none will get called for the most insanely mild infraction. Happens constantly, in an extremely obvious way.
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WOW! Looking at that chart, beyond realizing that it really isn't as close to a 1:1 as some people would have us believe, it looks like the teams all have a reasonably similar talent pool all playing the same game in front of the same officials.

Is it the same people claiming it to be a conspiracy that everyone gets the same number of penalties as are claiming it to be a conspiracy that some teams get called more?

I wonder if the fact that your team has taken three penalties in a row might make you be a bit more cautious or make your coach warn you?
 
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