The NHL has spent a lot of time making sure the Lions are largely dogshit. If you think the Leafs tend to get screwed by the league on a regular basis, you should check out some of the stuff Lions fans have had to witness. Not too many teams in sports have the league making up rules to cost them wins on a regular basis...
News Article: The Leafs are the best, just unlucky
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What's really hilarious is that I'd bet we'd get more of an effort out of this team if we were playing a stronger opponent...
Stephen
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Toronto management needs to take a more wholistic picture of their playoff failures and incorporate different lenses and philosophical frameworks.
If you think of the playoffs as a turn based strategy game ruled by mathematical probability, maybe you look at things you can’t account for resulting in unfavourable results as “luck.”
If you think of the playoffs as a “war” and players as warriors as Marty St. Louis was describing his own mentality on 31 Thoughts podcast, maybe your team needs to be better warriors in order to mitigate whatever “unlucky” factors that can creep into the equation.
If you think of the playoffs as a turn based strategy game ruled by mathematical probability, maybe you look at things you can’t account for resulting in unfavourable results as “luck.”
If you think of the playoffs as a “war” and players as warriors as Marty St. Louis was describing his own mentality on 31 Thoughts podcast, maybe your team needs to be better warriors in order to mitigate whatever “unlucky” factors that can creep into the equation.
Brown Dog
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Overall I'd say the Leafs played well enough to win the series (but didn't). Just like they played well enough to beat Columbus (but didn't). And well enough to best Boston--twice (but didn't). And well enough to beat Washington (but didn't).
At some point you have to conclude that it's more than bad luck working against us, especially considering the very lacklustre efforts they put up in the deciding game of each of the last three of those series. We scored, what, 2 goals in those three games and didn't really show up. That's a red flag.
At some point you have to conclude that it's more than bad luck working against us, especially considering the very lacklustre efforts they put up in the deciding game of each of the last three of those series. We scored, what, 2 goals in those three games and didn't really show up. That's a red flag.
Stephen
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To use a completely silly example, when you play Super Mario Brothers, Level 1x1 is easier than Level 1x4.
It’s such an intuitive and straight forward concept that a quest gets harder the farther you are into it and the closer you are to the goal.
To expect the probability model to work the same way without game conditions changing just seems naive.
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I don't agree with all those points in the OP. But as the days pass I beleive #'s 1, 2 and 3 more and more.
It such nonsense watching this Habs team in the Stanley Cup Final... we prob lose to Tampa, but would have loved to watch that play out.
Ridiculous how we gave away games 5 and 6 the way we did after battling back... and then the no show in Game 7 was predictable. Again, the more time passes the more I am okay with brining back many of the roster pieces from last year... there is unfinished business and I think you have to learn to lose as a group before you win. They've done the losing part. Let's see what they have learned.
It such nonsense watching this Habs team in the Stanley Cup Final... we prob lose to Tampa, but would have loved to watch that play out.
Ridiculous how we gave away games 5 and 6 the way we did after battling back... and then the no show in Game 7 was predictable. Again, the more time passes the more I am okay with brining back many of the roster pieces from last year... there is unfinished business and I think you have to learn to lose as a group before you win. They've done the losing part. Let's see what they have learned.
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justashadowof
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The average Leafs' fan needs to sit down, shut up and listen to their betters. These people are experts. How do we know? Look at those nicely tailored suits. The average Leafs' fan is unable to contextualize their experience of a Bad Luck Event due to their baser impulses ruling their cognition. This form of high time preference has a greater occurrence in individuals who perform average to below average in performance examinations. Joe Average Leafs' Fan is nuance-blind and results-prejudiced. Nuance blindness is when an individual is unable to spot the hidden details that prove unassailably the superiority of a carefully constructed matrix of inputs. Results-prejudice is the amusing reliance these individuals place on superficial metrics like game results.
The solution for this situation is simple:
A lot more education! University degrees in sports management are preferable, even Brock if you really have to
Expensive seminars on the company dime are also great. Ten course completions printed on watermarked heavy stock paper is the bare minimum before the experts in the designer suits should start considering your thoughts, Mr. Average Leafs' Fan. Also great: 10 year old TED videos by people who may or may not be in mental health facilities in 2021. Otherwise it's a very good thing that they ignore you. You are merely the paying customer who buys the tickets, buys the sports cable packages, buys the branded merchandise and views the advertisements. You have merely watched 1000's of hours of NHL hockey and even played the game yourself at various levels. What could you possibly understand about the game?
The solution for this situation is simple:
A lot more education! University degrees in sports management are preferable, even Brock if you really have to
Expensive seminars on the company dime are also great. Ten course completions printed on watermarked heavy stock paper is the bare minimum before the experts in the designer suits should start considering your thoughts, Mr. Average Leafs' Fan. Also great: 10 year old TED videos by people who may or may not be in mental health facilities in 2021. Otherwise it's a very good thing that they ignore you. You are merely the paying customer who buys the tickets, buys the sports cable packages, buys the branded merchandise and views the advertisements. You have merely watched 1000's of hours of NHL hockey and even played the game yourself at various levels. What could you possibly understand about the game?Dude. Stop. Please, just stop. Lol.
No offence, but, this post right here encapsulates that a certain % of Leafs nation is satisfied with mediocrity.
Seras
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Losing is losing.
Is that ok to say these days? I don't want to trigger anything or anyone
That’s a brutal article. Dubas must’ve added him to the payroll for an ass-kissing like that.
lol That will go over great....I'm pretty sure
. Another favorite is "relax" ...they love that one.
Superstar
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Leafs were unlucky to be up 3-1 in the series against the Habs...should have let the Habs take the 3-1 stranglehold...
Arthur Morgan
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Cant believe its been as long as it has been and Im still pissed at this team.
I mean like how do we just get back on board?
Not even sure if change is needed or required.
feels like we're just destined to be let down.
not asking alot here. just a little glimmer of success would be nice.
be nice to feel how it felt when we won Matthews or made playoffs for the first time again against the Caps
Never thought when our kids were on their ELCs thing would get this bad.
I mean seriously what's our next move?
PLEASE don't bring back Jumbo
I mean like how do we just get back on board?
Not even sure if change is needed or required.
feels like we're just destined to be let down.
not asking alot here. just a little glimmer of success would be nice.
be nice to feel how it felt when we won Matthews or made playoffs for the first time again against the Caps
Never thought when our kids were on their ELCs thing would get this bad.
I mean seriously what's our next move?
PLEASE don't bring back Jumbo
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Suntouchable13
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Being in the final 4 is pretty darn good. Much better than what the Leafs have done. If a team hasn't won a single series, they are not a real contender. Being 0-8 in series close out games is a sign they are close to winning it all anytime soon?
ShaneFalco
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To some, trying is ok
BodaciousBeefBazooka
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Luck i beleive in this application doesnt make sense or in sports teams in general. If a team is successful or any particular player for that matter clearly they do something right thats working for themselves. Luck stands for ' Labor Under Correct Knowledge' which means when you put in your dues, work hard, work smart and invest in yourself at the task in hand or job you are doing you will achieve great things or success which success though is relative to everyone else at the end of the day. I think luck applys to winnig a lottery which technically you physically as a human being have no control over how ever you want to look at it.
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ShaneFalco
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Wow
Kyle?
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People making comparables to other such a joke.
When you have no heart or passion you just don't have it.
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56 years and counting. #FireTheShanaClan!
Agreed but how many times must you lose before you learn ?? These guys need an injection of heart and guts. Ironically the bolded seems to apply to the Pres., GM and coach too. Prepare for a bumpy season. My only solace is that it will be the last for the 3 stooges if the team fails a 6th year in a row.
Coachcorner
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I don't he helps us ice hockey wise neither sire. Talk wise... I do. But its trending to the direction that it looks like they gon brang him back again with the league minimin milord. They don't care, they want that old ass sitting on dubs with our young fools. He ain't playing the full 82 season anymore. They gon play him like.... 55 games. Sitting on dubs, still talkin. What. Our young goons will have their weird chances next season. Robertson etc, or who was it I can't even remember.
