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Los Angeles, Chicago Black Hawks, Pittsburgh Penguins...yeah rebuilds are silly.
Basically the only argument against a full rebuild is Edmonton and unfortunately for them and their fan base, their management is incompetent.
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Going full Oilers is not 3-5 years bad, it's going 5-10 years bad. Leafs already have enough pieces in place (JVR, Rielly, Bernier, Kadri, Nylander, Percy, McDavid 
) that they should be back and competitive 3 years from now. Scorched earth is getting rid of Phaneuf, Kessel, Bozak. That's only 3 pieces (granted it's 3 significant pieces, but still)
) that they should be back and competitive 3 years from now. Scorched earth is getting rid of Phaneuf, Kessel, Bozak. That's only 3 pieces (granted it's 3 significant pieces, but still)Big difference between a rebuild and scorched earth. The Oilers essentially sold assets below value and traded away useful players.
Say goodbye to Kessel etc..
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Going full Oilers is not 3-5 years bad, it's going 5-10 years bad. Leafs already have enough pieces in place (JVR, Rielly, Bernier, Kadri, Nylander, Percy, McDavid
The Leafs have already been bad for 5-10 years. One playoff appearance in a shortened season doesn't automatically erase all the other mediocre seasons. I don't hate the Leafs so don't think this was intended as a hate filled post. But using the scorched earth approach is idiotic.
It's hard to see much choice honestly with the anchor contracts and flawed nucleus of the team. They are soft and easy to play against down the middle and that is hard to change anywhere but the draft nowadays. "Scorched Earth" is not the way to do it though, I don't think they'll have that choice anyway as guys like Clarkson and Phanuef would be hard to move and can at least provide leadership on a re-building team. No team should ever plan to lose and then try to come out of it later, but selling off your worthwhile assets does make sense for them at this point. If I was the Leafs I would trade guys like Kessel, Bozak, Gardiner and Franson (maybe Bernier too for the right answer as goalies are always available) before the deadline. Keep the guys that won't bring any return anyway (Clarkson/Robidas etc.) but are signed and veterans. That was Edmonton's biggest miss-step, there was no insulation, they gave the keys to 18 year old kids and then were surprised when they crashed the car.
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Doesn't sound like a total scorched Earth to me. Sounds to me more like they've got a small group of decent young players they want to keep around unless someone shoots them an offer they can't refuse. From that foundation they'll let Mark Hunter and the scouts draft and develop young players to bring into the fold around the existing group they want to keep.
The only person claiming anyone is going "full Oiler" is the TC.
It's a bit early to call if the Leafs will properly insulate their young players or if they'll just sell everything off any throw them to the woods. This article being cited seems to state they'll be leaving some pieces in place.
To be fair Florida and Columbus have also consistently drafted fairly high as well and aren't exactly Stanley Cup contenders...
Even the Islanders were lumped in this group before a surprisingly successful season this year.
HarrisonFord
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They've been bad, but I think this scorched earth thing (which I think is a bit exaggerated to be honest) is what is the difference between the Leafs and Oilers. The Leafs have identified that the core they built around the first time (Kessel, Phaneuf, Bozak, Lupul) isn't good enough, so they're addressing the problem by shipping those pieces out and building around the guys who have shown promise. The Oilers have gone the route of keeping the same group and hoping that they'll eventually turn a corner. That's going full Oilers IMO
It's the right thing to do. It's been obvious this has been Shanahan's plan the whole time. Hiring Dubas and Hunter, analytics, etc. They are starting to do things the right way.
Building through the draft and focusing on DEVELOPING... That's how teams like LA and CHI went from crap to contenders.
Building through the draft and focusing on DEVELOPING... That's how teams like LA and CHI went from crap to contenders.
Visually possible but there is no way the Leafs can pull this off. It requires patience and technical skill to do what the Oilers do.
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Whats the difference between Phoenix and Toronto doing it? In the new NHL all money allows you to do is retain your players. When your team is rotten to the core you need a full scale purging. This would be the first smart move that Toronto had made in possibly decades. Two decades of throwing around money have only brought forth mediocrity. Its smarter to shoot for something better.
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Thats a bit of an exaggeration.
When the Oilers started their rebuild back in ~2009ish (arguably it started in 2007 when they drafted 6th OA), did they have a Rielly calibre young dman on the blueline? No. In fact in 2015, they STILL dont. Theyre hoping Nurse can fill that role.
When the Oilers started, did they have Nylander/Kadri/Bernier calibre young forwards/goaltenders to help through a rebuild? They had Gagner and Dubnyk as somewhat comparable, but thats about it, both of whom are considered worse than Kadri/Bernier, let alone Nylander.
Did the Oilers have the trade returns of Kessel, JVR, Phaneuf, Bozak, etc calibre players? They sold off Smyth, but didnt sell off any other major pieces that I can think of. Leafs should be getting a bigtime boost there.
The Oilers have also been completely incompetent at drafting/developing NHL talent outside of the 1st round. Hunter should help the Leafs in that regard, a team that while not great at drafting, was still producing non-1st round talent like Kulemin, Komarov, Stralman, Reimer, Stalberg, Gunnarsson, Hayes, etc. And have guys coming up the system right now that should have NHL careers (even if just as secondary players).
If the Leafs go full rebuild, theyll be adding a crap ton of young assets pretty quickly by selling off their core. The core are in their primes, so its not a dwindling core in their 30s with declining value. Caphits are an issue, but there are ways around that via retaining salary and/or taking back cap dumps. And they already have a number of interesting pieces worth keeping and building around longterm.
When the Oilers started their rebuild back in ~2009ish (arguably it started in 2007 when they drafted 6th OA), did they have a Rielly calibre young dman on the blueline? No. In fact in 2015, they STILL dont. Theyre hoping Nurse can fill that role.
When the Oilers started, did they have Nylander/Kadri/Bernier calibre young forwards/goaltenders to help through a rebuild? They had Gagner and Dubnyk as somewhat comparable, but thats about it, both of whom are considered worse than Kadri/Bernier, let alone Nylander.
Did the Oilers have the trade returns of Kessel, JVR, Phaneuf, Bozak, etc calibre players? They sold off Smyth, but didnt sell off any other major pieces that I can think of. Leafs should be getting a bigtime boost there.
The Oilers have also been completely incompetent at drafting/developing NHL talent outside of the 1st round. Hunter should help the Leafs in that regard, a team that while not great at drafting, was still producing non-1st round talent like Kulemin, Komarov, Stralman, Reimer, Stalberg, Gunnarsson, Hayes, etc. And have guys coming up the system right now that should have NHL careers (even if just as secondary players).
If the Leafs go full rebuild, theyll be adding a crap ton of young assets pretty quickly by selling off their core. The core are in their primes, so its not a dwindling core in their 30s with declining value. Caphits are an issue, but there are ways around that via retaining salary and/or taking back cap dumps. And they already have a number of interesting pieces worth keeping and building around longterm.
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